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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#251: Oct 10th 2024 at 9:16:37 AM

I heard it was oblivious to you guys that Teen is Scarlet Witch's son but how did you guys know?

Familiarity with the source material. In the comics, Wanda's son Billy Kaplan aka Wiccan of the Young Avengers is a gay teenager with phenomenal magical potential and ability who dresses kinda goth. Teen just seemed to hit all the marks on the checklist of How To Adapt Billy.

Addressing your other question separately since this may or may not spoil reveals in the show to come:

If Teen is really Billy then how did he come back to life again and he grew up fast since he didn't exist before?

In the comics, Billy Kaplan and Tommy Shepherd are not Wanda's sons in a biological sense. She created her and Vision's boys with magic, like in Wanda Vision, before they were reclaimed by Mephisto. However, Billy and Tommy defeated Mephisto and escaped back into the world, reincarnating their souls into two unrelated children at another point in time.

Billy and Tommy were then able to grow up, discover their true identities and abilities, become Young Avengers, and find their mother again.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 10th 2024 at 10:20:31 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#252: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:06:58 AM

So what is the show’s overall reception so far anyway ? Does it get good reviews ?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#253: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:12:09 AM

It has been getting good reviews. For example, on Rotten Tomatoes it has a 82 critical score and 81 audience score. Most posts on Twitter and Tumblr are positive in my experience. It has some detractors, but most things do, and I would say that it has been received mostly positively. I also read an article (I don't remember where exactly) that it has the largest carry over viewing from episode to episode of any MCU show.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2024 at 1:14:13 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#254: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:14:32 AM

Good. So I am not the only one enjoying it. Crossing fingers it doesn’t crash and burn on the finale.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#255: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:34:42 AM

I wanted to watch this new episode last night, but my WiFi went down so I had to go to bed early. Drat!

Anyways...Teen being Billy Kaplan yes, is obvious, but it didn't make that reveal any less cool. The big question is...what exactly does he want?

Edited by MatthewWayne on Oct 10th 2024 at 11:34:53 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#256: Oct 10th 2024 at 12:32:55 PM

[up]If Shyamalan and the last decade of "subverting expectations" taught us anything is that a Captain Obvious Reveal that is pulled out well and makes sense is still better than a twist that nobody saw coming because it came out of nowhere or made no sense.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#257: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:21:27 PM

There is still another twist about who Rio might be. I do wonder if they revealed the Billy twist to soon.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2024 at 3:26:14 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#258: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:26:17 PM

Let me guess, the theory is that she's Blackheart (hence the constant reference to the name)?

Would still be a better adaptation than the Ghost Rider movie.

Edited by Theokal3 on Oct 10th 2024 at 1:26:42 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#259: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:28:09 PM

Nope the prevailing theory is that she is Lady Death. Though I have seen some theorize her being Blackheart or a Composite Character between the two.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2024 at 3:29:17 AM

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#260: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:35:30 PM

I've also seen that theory. Note that the lyrics of the Ballad seem to inform on the way the plot is unfolding, and one of the lyrics is "I hold Death's hand in mine." That's really interesting given that Agatha and Rio are pretty clearly ex-lovers.

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#261: Oct 10th 2024 at 2:03:09 PM

I wonder if the Witches’ Road always has a decades theme or if perhaps Billy brought that influence in

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#262: Oct 10th 2024 at 2:53:51 PM

I have already seen a bunch of in fighting on Twitter over this episode. It's getting a bit annoying.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2024 at 4:54:06 AM

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#263: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:15:41 PM

...well, ok, that sure was an episode. Feel like I need a bit more explanation after that ending.

Funny thing about Teen's identity; I actually saw some people suggest Joe Locke as a fancast for Billy/Wiccan before he was ever officially cast.

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#264: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:32:40 PM

[up][up] Really?

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#265: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:46:48 PM

[up]Yes, and over rather Billy or Agatha are more important for queer representation. I am not going to get more into it then that though because its an odd argument.

So, anyways question, do you guys think we meet Nicholas Scratch in this series or is he just always off-screen?

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#266: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:49:05 PM

Why would one be more important? Can’t we just enjoy two cakes?

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#267: Oct 10th 2024 at 4:00:54 PM

I don't know. As far as I know this website did an article about Joe Locke's role made history and Agatha fans pointing out that their article last week was "Is Agatha Queer", which is weird because the show is clear that yes, she and Rio are queer. This started the previously mention debate.

Personally, I am just glad that we have representation in this show and enjoy both cakes.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 10th 2024 at 6:02:19 AM

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#268: Oct 10th 2024 at 4:06:17 PM

I also enjoy both cakes.

(Also Rio is awesome and she is my fave.)

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#269: Oct 10th 2024 at 4:07:52 PM

Yeah, Rio is my favorite character in this show. She is just the most fun.

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#270: Oct 10th 2024 at 4:09:10 PM

Her doing a classic Witch cackle when they were riding on brooms was just one more example of why she's awesome.

Both character and actress are having a ball, it seems, because you know Aubrey Plaza must be enjoying herself.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#272: Oct 10th 2024 at 4:39:55 PM

[up][up]Speaking of which, I love how this show embraces so many witch stereotypes while still joking about them.

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#273: Oct 10th 2024 at 5:48:44 PM

I have no words to describe how unbelievably pissed and annoyed I am that the fandom is actually blaming a LITERAL TEEN for what he did to Agatha and the others. Like, I get it, Agatha is everyone's favorite character (mine too) but they're forgetting that she's also a VILLAIN and I don't think she's not gonna get a Loki-like redemption arc; you can sympathize her all you want but at the end of the day, she's the bad guy.

And Teen just lost the only person he had a close bond with because everyone else saw him as a "pet/familiar" and everyone's reaction to Alice's death were the same as Sharon's death, they just didn't care. So of course he snapped at them because they let him down, especially Agatha.

I don't normally rant, but I really need to get this off my chest.

Edited by LucyVega23 on Oct 10th 2024 at 5:49:43 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#274: Oct 10th 2024 at 6:16:04 PM

I'm actually glad that so far the show is sticking with keeping Agatha as a Villain Protagonist, and not trying to sanitize/retcon her actions too much like with Loki, Zemo or Blonsky. The idea of breaking a villain down, and building her back up so that she'll be a genuine threat again in future installments is a really cool idea, and I hope they keep going with it.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#275: Oct 10th 2024 at 6:57:10 PM

That's been my read.

  • Ugh Agatha is such a bi-
  • And that is why I love her. No positive character development or changes, no Heel–Face Turn. She's still in it for herself but we can see different sides of her.


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