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Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#676: Dec 28th 2024 at 7:15:28 AM

Because Lions dont believe in murder?

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#677: Dec 28th 2024 at 7:22:30 AM

but the ghost lions can talk to the people

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#678: Dec 28th 2024 at 7:43:20 AM

Did any of Scar's guard become sky spirits? If I understand correctly, that's limited to royals. Even Scar, who is summoned as a fire spirit in a volcano, was a king at some point.

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#679: Dec 28th 2024 at 8:39:52 AM

[up][up] Ehh, sometimes? Sometimes they do, and sometimes they can only seem to communicate through vague "grass seeds on the wind" means that have to be interpreted by Rafiki the witch doctor to even be understood. To be honest, the rules on that seem to change almost scene by scene.

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#680: Dec 28th 2024 at 8:50:01 AM

Tbf that's often how ghosts work in fiction in general. Or in real life according to those who believe in them.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#681: Dec 28th 2024 at 9:56:35 AM

Perhaps it is limited when and how they can appear and what they can tell, bound by ghost rules?

Note that Mufasa could say "Remember who you are" to Simba, but not "Scar murdered me". Perhaps they cannot tell information to the living that they don't already know?

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#682: Dec 28th 2024 at 1:46:17 PM

This reminds of an old fan theory that Simba didn't really see his father's ghost, and that it was a hallucination created by Rafiki somehow.

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#683: Dec 28th 2024 at 1:48:57 PM

I think he dreamed most of it

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#684: Dec 29th 2024 at 12:08:40 AM

Good ol' arbitrary ghosts.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#685: Dec 29th 2024 at 3:52:51 AM

Lion King 2 was just full of "why don't you just talk to him?" moments for Mufasa's ghost. grin

That's what you get once you establish that Mufasa appearing to Simba wasn't just a one-off Very Special Moment, but that Mufasa can just show up whenever someone needs guidance. At that point, you have to start wondering why he doesn't do it more often, especially since Simba so very clearly needs it and no one else seems to be doing much on that front.

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#686: Dec 29th 2024 at 5:33:34 AM

Wasn't the second time Mufasa appeared in the sky at Kiara's presentation? Perhaps that's a special enough occasion to show up. And he didn't say anything at the time.

Yeah, arbitrary ghost rules are arbitrary.

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#687: Dec 29th 2024 at 5:40:22 AM

It's all Obi Wan Kenobi's fault.

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#688: Dec 29th 2024 at 6:47:18 AM

I've wondered about that. How come Mufasa's ghost didn't show up to Simba when Simba was acting irrationally during most of the second movie? You would have thought that Mufasa's ghost would have told Simba that he was doing everything wrong and set him on the right path.

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#690: Dec 29th 2024 at 7:21:24 AM

Yup,if he kept telling Simba what to do he'd never learn to think for himself

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#691: Dec 29th 2024 at 7:22:12 AM

[up][up][up] My issue exactly. Infuriatingly, he does show up at the end to say "well done, Simba", and I couldn't help but think "Where were you all this time??" grin

And yes, this is basically the Obi Wan problem. Once you establish that a dead character can just communicate with the living and show up when they please, they just become another character, and the question arises of why they don't get involved. This got increasingly ridiculous as the movies, and the force ghosts, started piling up.

[up] There is a difference between letting people figure things out on their own and completely abandoning them to their inner demons, though. There is a time to leave your kids be, and there is a time to talk to them. And Simba absolutely needed Mufasa to come and talk to him, since he was shutting everyone else out and Mufasa would be the only one who could get through to him.

Edited by Redmess on Dec 29th 2024 at 4:25:08 PM

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#692: Dec 29th 2024 at 9:12:20 AM

Mufasa: "Simba, you need to be more trusting of Kovu. You need to practice what you preached to Kiara about how we are one."

Simba: "Wow, so you're against me too? Betrayed by my own dead father!"

Mufasa: "God dammit, son..."

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#693: Dec 29th 2024 at 9:35:14 AM

I still can't get over the DECEPTION DISGRACE scene. It's so hilarious, imagine a zebra and gazelle shaming you.

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#694: Dec 29th 2024 at 9:48:46 AM

Considering Zebras and Gazelles could disembowel a person with a single kick, I'd definitely would just let them. XD

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#695: Dec 29th 2024 at 9:55:09 AM

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LOL! That's actually pretty funny![lol]

Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Dec 29th 2024 at 9:55:40 AM

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#696: Dec 29th 2024 at 9:56:42 AM

[up][up]prey animals tho

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#697: Dec 29th 2024 at 10:44:55 AM

"Hey, looks like I'm top of the pack now! Now where was that zebra that insulted me to my face... I'm getting hungry."

Yeah, those prey animals got pretty cocky. I don't think they are going to show their faces around Pride Rock for a while now Kovu is top dog there.

This is why you don't mock the royals who can and will eat your ass. You never know how the tables could turn.

The other reason Mufasa's "well done, son" line irritated me was, well, because Simba hadn't really solved anything. If anything, Simba was a big part of the problem. It was Kiara who solved the problem, but of course Mufasa doesn't even give her the time of day. Would have been nice of him to say "well done, granddaughter" to her, but noooo... Asshole ghost lions. grin

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#698: Dec 29th 2024 at 10:49:56 AM

Well, to be fair, Mufasa's ghost was the one that set Kiara up with Kovu, which is what set up the whole lions coming together thing.

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#699: Dec 29th 2024 at 11:14:41 AM

But then he still should be addressing Kiara, because again, Simba did nothing to bring the two together, and if anything was the driving force keeping them apart.

Simba didn't solve the problem, Simba was the problem being solved.

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#700: Dec 29th 2024 at 11:21:01 AM

Never thought of it like that. Interesting discussion


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