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We have a first poster for this show, with a trailer due tomorrow.

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The series was created by Leslye Headland (Russian Doll) and will be set during the High Republic.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 28th 2024 at 8:46:10 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#751: Jul 18th 2024 at 6:18:59 PM

The Disney canon has Darth Bane's Force wraith tell Yoda that the Sith killed each other in their lust for power but he was the one to create the Rule of Two still, yeah.

Complicating this is that Yoda knows exactly who Bane is and what his famous for in Sith history, implying at the very least that the Rule of Two became a thing before the Jedi believed the Sith were completely gone.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#752: Jul 19th 2024 at 4:06:02 AM

[up][up] That's a bit more tidy, makes the Jedi familiar with Bane's plan, but believed that it immediately failed.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#753: Jul 19th 2024 at 4:28:08 AM

That being said it does beg a question of why Yoda would be centrain that this are Rule of Two Sith, woudn’t it make more sense for this to be new order with it’s own rules?

Main Star Wars comic actually has Luke speak with memory of Elzar Man, who mentions that Jedi used to fight again Sith forces of Darth Bane, so clearly he promient figure amongs the Sith before Order was semingly destroyed and he started Rule of Two.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jul 19th 2024 at 4:35:12 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#754: Jul 19th 2024 at 4:52:45 AM

I guess the Jedi have to encounter hints that Bane's sith might still be around, but never got any kind of hard evidence.

Or it might just be a justifiable worry that the prominent sith Lord who planned to make the sith go into hiding succeeded.

Maul being a Baneite sith might be the only explanation for how he could be a sith at all after a thousand years of no confirmed sightings of them.

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#755: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:30:07 AM

At this point Yoda, knowing the rule of two, is at the level of "Leia remembered her mother, even when she died in childbirth"

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#756: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:32:52 AM

Well as I said future seasons of Acolyte might end up answering that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#757: Jul 19th 2024 at 8:13:29 AM

[up][up] Having Padme die in childbirth was really strange decision for that. Though, I guess it's tricky to come up a scenario where Leia gets raised by Padme for a short amount of time, but Luke instantly gets whisked away for Skywalker Ranch.

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#758: Jul 19th 2024 at 8:56:37 AM

especially since many scenarios would make Luke The Un-Favourite

Edited by Luisdalas on Jul 19th 2024 at 8:57:20 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#759: Jul 19th 2024 at 3:05:39 PM

It's a terrible puzzle, because Vader has no idea that he has any living children, let alone two, but still accepts it as a possibility, so he has to know Padme is pregnant with his child, but Padme and Leia getting separated from Luke, while Yoda knows that Leia exists, but possibly Obi Wan doesn't, is a really tricky scenario.

Not to mention you have to imply Leia is going to become an orphan and adopted by Bail at somepoint in the foreseeable future.

I guess Padme has to end up having a falling out with Anakin AND Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan would have to take Luke from her immediately after a surprise twin birth, but fail to get Leia, and then see No One Could Survive That! on Padme and Leia, who then refuges with Bail, while she in poor health, and confides in Yoda that Leia has survived but that she doesn't want Obi-Wan to know. Anakin hears of the No One Could Survive That! and assumes both Padme and his one unborn child are dead.

I think before I saw the prequels in their entirety, I assumed Episode 1 was going to be the Clone Wars with Anakin and Obi-Wan being buddies, episode 2 was going to be Anakin and Padme reluctantly betraying the Jedi order while the empire is founded, and then episode 3, set some time after that, was Padme reaching out to Obi Wan because she's pregnant and wants her child to have a life away from the empire, but Obi-Wan fouls it up, and leaves Anakin more machine than man, twisted and evil.

Edited by Whowho on Jul 19th 2024 at 3:07:13 AM

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#760: Jul 19th 2024 at 3:07:35 PM

I took Leia's remembering of her mother as a weird force vision thing, like how she can sense Luke is her brother (erm....). She was there for Padme's death after all (and she was, as Leia says, very sad, too sad actually, it killed her), though of course, nobody remembers their birth, but maybe the force can help with that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#761: Jul 19th 2024 at 3:10:17 PM

That's obviously the intention by the time of Episode 3, but at the time in Return Luke's response of "Strange, I have no memories of my mother" implies he's realising that seemingly somehow he was separated from her at birth.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#762: Jul 23rd 2024 at 7:55:49 AM

[up][up][up] You know, if Star Wars natal care is so poor that they didn't know Padme had twins, then maybe it isn't that surprising that she suffered Death by Childbirth.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#763: Jul 23rd 2024 at 9:06:30 AM

I mean, we are talking about a medical station at a deep space mine, rather than an actual hospital.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#764: Jul 23rd 2024 at 10:07:23 AM

The doctor robots knew she had twins, but because the pregnancy was a secret Padme and Anakin had literally never been to a doctor about the pregnancy prior to that.

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#766: Jul 23rd 2024 at 10:50:02 AM

and no hippocratic oath either!

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Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#767: Jul 23rd 2024 at 11:00:17 AM

[up][up]

Even if the doctor kept quiet, there's no guarantee someone in their office wouldn't talk.

jawal Since: Sep, 2018
#768: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:20:09 AM

For fans of Screen Rant Pitch Meetings

Ryan George did one for The Acolyte

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#769: Jul 26th 2024 at 11:16:32 AM

Didn’t really like this one. He mostly just echoed popular Fandom Menace slams, and it didn’t feel like he put the thought into this one he usually puts into his own criticisms.

He does this sometimes, when he wants to hit a show that’s still current and the iron is hot, but it never feels like his best work.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#770: Jul 27th 2024 at 7:33:11 PM

This is definitely one of those shows where it's very difficult to discuss actual valid criticism, because it all gets drowned out by the racism/sexism/general Disney hate. There are quite a few things that the show did wrong, both broadly and with individual filmography/dialogue choices, and if I thought anyone would listen to me I'd list them all. But they won't, so I won't. We're still in like, the "anti-honeymoon" phase, where everyone is just being overly negative and it's impossible to talk about it.

I mean, at the end of the day, I'm glad this show exists, Manny Jacinto was phenomenal, and I think they should be able to clean up some of the mistakes by next season.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#771: Jul 29th 2024 at 10:24:05 AM

It definitely was, but I think that its moment has passed one wya or the other and it's easier to have actual discussions about it.

It also does swing both ways, sadly. This thread has certain users who were overly protective to the point of actively trying to silence valid criticism.

But, to your point, take the Ascension Ceremony. That was... a bad scene. The chanting, good god, the cackling. But it was also, what, 30 seconds? It was admittedly a very plot-relevant scene but its proportion of the show is overstated. It can't even be considered representative of the show's flaws since it's bad in a way unique to the show. Nothing else in the show is bad like that. Personally, I stopped thinking about it until Pitch Meeting video, so it being 20% of the video's runtime seemed... odd to me.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#772: Jul 29th 2024 at 1:37:40 PM

It really is very clear that the people who constantly bring up that scene when talking about how the show was "awful" really don't have anything else to say.

The show is nowhere near as good as something like The Mandalorian or Andor, I'll say that much. Is some of the acting meh? Yes. Is some of the writing also not the best? Definitely. There were bits that I had problems with. But saying "It's the worst Star Wars thing ever" or "They're killing Star Wars" is just throwing tantrums.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#773: Jul 29th 2024 at 1:45:31 PM

Harping one specific scene so as to try and define the whole work by it is downright a propaganda tactic, and tragically not a new one.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#774: Jul 30th 2024 at 8:26:07 AM

Yeah, they're doing that constantly. Nearly everyone that has those sorts of "criticisms" just bring back the same scenes over and over again. "Why fire in space? Why rock burn? Why cult chant silly?"

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#775: Jul 30th 2024 at 10:26:28 AM

Rewatching the finale and i noticed a bit where Vernestra is talking to someone over comms, trying to get hold of Yoda. It makes me wonder if thats an official position, "secretary to the Grandmaster."

Mog seems to do much the same thing for Vernestra...not that he seems very good at it, but still.


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