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We have a first poster for this show, with a trailer due tomorrow.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_9726.jpeg

The series was created by Leslye Headland (Russian Doll) and will be set during the High Republic.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 28th 2024 at 8:46:10 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#251: Jun 12th 2024 at 12:44:49 PM

Something to note is that while Jedi say they will only test girls with premision of their mother, everybody acts that if they pass tests they will have to go, except Sol it seems. Why would their mother othervise said to girls to fail if she could simply go “yeah, I no you cannot take my daugthers to train” if they pass tests.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#252: Jun 12th 2024 at 12:48:07 PM

[up]] After they take the tests, they indicate that they girls still wouldn’t have to go unless the Mother wills it, which is why she states that she and the other elders will talk about it after she and Osha have that conversation.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 12th 2024 at 12:48:18 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#253: Jun 12th 2024 at 12:50:04 PM

I suspect that both parties are aware that the immaculate conception is mighty suspicious. Sounds like testing might be enough to start to build a case against them.

Not to mention it's true that Osha wants to leave so they might realise that would be an inevitability if the process was started.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#254: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:12:46 PM

Coral did say that if the Jedi found out about Osha then the Coven would be doomed.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#255: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:25:00 PM

Being that the director said that Rashomon was a big influence on the series, I think it's a given that 1- we've not seen the whole story of what happened. 2- who is doing the recollecting is coloring how each side is portrayed 3- this first time through is NOT what 'actually' happened. I'm mostly worried that the fandom is going to be stupid about it, since The Last Jedi showed that a large portion of the fanbase doesn't 'get' Rashomon plots.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#256: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:30:01 PM

I'm sure in the surface it's meant to look like the Jedi swoop in and kidnap children and get other force cultures killed for not being Jedi - because that has to be what Mae can grow up to believe, but the truth is definitely going to be more complex than that.

We don't know what the coven's history with the republic is, how they made the children,or what killed them during the fire which is a huge amount of unknown factors.

Worth noting that the coven knew they had enemies, because they were training Mae and Osha to defend themselves against those enemies. Be that due to some history with the republic, or a third party.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#257: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:36:38 PM

I also got some heavy anti-Christ vibes with the circumstances surrounding the children’s’ birth.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#258: Jun 12th 2024 at 2:42:13 PM

It's possible that was something intended. Two girls, strong in the force, with the "Ascension" Ceremony taking place during a planetary alignment.

Edited by theLibrarian on Jun 12th 2024 at 2:43:59 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#259: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:36:32 PM

Yeah, as Kiril said, Osha and Mae are not normal.

It is kind of a shame about the whole force assisted babies, or rather the way it is framed.

I think it would be a very cool setting if force sensitive women could just learn how to do that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#260: Jun 12th 2024 at 4:08:38 PM

There's definitely some lesbian coding present with this coven, so I understand the desire for them to be able to have children without it possibly being an afront to the force.

Star Wars is always going to be weird about queer fantasies though, as those narratives will always have to be a small minority inside a wide universe given how utterly not present they were until half a decade into the Disney acquisition.

beneficii Since: Nov, 2011
#261: Jun 13th 2024 at 7:27:09 AM

I wonder if the moment that Torbin got black eyes has anything to do with anything. Mae displayed the same thing in episode 1 in Osha’s vision. Was the black eyes thing a manifestation of Mother Koril’s power?

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262: Jun 13th 2024 at 7:44:43 AM

I appreciate this series for introducing a lesbian witch cult. Sucks that they die at the end of the flashback, but there are likely other lesbian witch cults out there.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#263: Jun 13th 2024 at 7:52:15 AM

Hopefully there are.

On that note I have seen people speculate the Coven is connected with Yacombe, formerly Dark Side cult which has taken neutral stance in the Force, though it is still pretty unpopolar on Jedha. Desing wise I see similiarites, especialy with Mae’s Acolyte outfit, but from what we see in High Republic comics Yacombe also precticed vow of silence, though ic could have easily been dropped by the time of series.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jun 13th 2024 at 9:49:10 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#264: Jun 13th 2024 at 7:53:49 AM

Yeah. I don't think they're directly related, but the situation has been reminding me a lot of that anyway.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 13th 2024 at 7:54:10 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#265: Jun 13th 2024 at 11:04:06 AM

[up][up][up][up]yes, that was absolutely the witches' power.

Notably Osha's dream in the first episode has the same thing happen to Mae, briefly.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267: Jun 13th 2024 at 3:56:00 PM

Self thumping because [down] is correct.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Jun 13th 2024 at 7:16:37 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#268: Jun 13th 2024 at 4:11:56 PM

Yes, but you dont need to bring that up here. Because no one here is saying those things.

There's no need to import bad-faith criticisms.

GahmahRaan Since: Nov, 2012
#269: Jun 13th 2024 at 4:16:20 PM

Yeah, I get the feeling the witches are a similar situation to the Yacombe and the Canon version of the Sorcerers of Tund (which got Adaptational Heroism, but have a negative reputation In-Universe because of one apostate in the past).

I wonder if the Jedi now being more invasive with other Force faiths (after cooperating with them at the Convocation of the Force on Jedha 250 years earlier) had something to do with the Path of the Open Hand's activities or Baron Boolan kidnapping people (including children) from those Force faiths and brainwashing them into Jedi-hunters.

BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#270: Jun 14th 2024 at 2:50:09 AM

Victoria Monet has released a new track for the series.

Yes. An actual song. For Star Wars.

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Jun 14th 2024 at 6:18:50 AM

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#271: Jun 15th 2024 at 6:27:52 PM

Ok, I came across this on the characers' trope pages, and I wanted to check to see if I made some sort of cognitive leap here.

Basically, there were tropes added to Osha and Mae's pages saying they are hybrids who only resemble their human parent.

But I got the impression that Koril only carried the children. I don't see any reason to think she contributed any actual DNA, or she and Aniseya probably would have mentioned that.

Am I off base?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#272: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:12:01 PM

We don't know yet, unfortunately.

We definitely know that Koril carried the twins, specifically, but whether there's any genetic contribution there is completely unknown. We don't know how the twins were created, and it's implied that some very bizarre, possibly eldritch shenanigans are afoot there.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#273: Jun 15th 2024 at 8:16:46 PM

Idk, i think if Koril had any hand in actually making them, that probably would have been brought up (you dont forcefully say "i carried them" in an argument if you've done more than that)

Thats just how carrying a child works. There wouldnt be any genetic material going from Koril to the twins.

Add that to the fact that they have zero Zabrak traits and it seems pretty clear to me they're 100% human, just conceived under strange means. I took this as being very obvious, so I was surprised by tropes calling them hybrids.

Edited by ArthurEld on Jun 15th 2024 at 8:18:37 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#274: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:01:24 PM

It's worth noting that the only definite hybrid we have currently, Jacen Syndulla, is visibly entirely human, just with green hair.

Though what I was getting at is, depending on how they were created, the twins might not have either of their genetic material. It depends on what, exactly, they are.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#275: Jun 15th 2024 at 9:12:40 PM

I imagine Aniseya had something to do with it, if only to avoid the uncomfortable territory of "when you use dark side/forbidden techniques to create life, you get black people by default."


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