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With how much artificial intelligence has been improving, in many areas such as text reading/generation, picture reading, picture generation, convincing voice synthesis and more, I think there's a lot that can be discussed, about the effects that this technology will have on society.

I'll start off with one example.

I'd been thinking about the enshittification cycle of tech, and I think it's coming for Google hard. The search engine just isn't so great at finding what you actually want, and I think that's gonna leave a big opening for Bing with their use of AI. If the AI can sift through the crap and actually find what you want for real, due to its understanding of language, it'll actually make searching super useful again.

In the pre-Google internet, search engines used to search only for exact words and phrases, which had its uses, but also meant finding a lot of sites that simply crammed in a lot of popular words and phrases to get visitors. Google cut through the crap with a better understanding of how to "rank" sites relative to how relevant they are, and even find sites that are on the topic you were looking for without using the same exact words.

But Google started to become more advertiser-friendly, then later, more shareholder-friendly. There's a limit to how much one can make their product built entirely around shareholder growth, so as it turns to crap, it leaves an opening for a competitor to show up.

Since Bing/ChatGPT (which Bing is plugged into now) understands the use of language, it can actually understand context and determine relevance based on that. And that'll make it huge, I think. Context-based understanding of web pages can potentially do an excellent job of finding what people actually want, in a way that goes way beyond Google's page ranking systems, or the examination of exact words.


There is also a more specific thread for the legality, ethics and nature of AI art. Posts on this aren't off-topic here, but may sometimes be more appropriate to the other thread.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 22nd 2024 at 11:53:33 AM

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#1401: Feb 7th 2025 at 3:16:15 PM

I have decided to fight in the robot wars on the side of the robots.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#1402: Feb 7th 2025 at 4:59:48 PM

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I'll confess I've only skimmed the article...any moral objections aside, the subject is squicky and disturbing.

I'll say it's to be expected. There's a rule 34 of technology, if it can be used for sex it will be...and pretending to be an abuser is a thing people are into, for better and for worse.

In fairness, the AI is not actually capable of suffering. There will come a time when we have to talk about the morality of how we treat AI but we're not quite there yet.

I do find "abusing" AI to be distasteful in any event, not because it hurts the machine's feelings per se but because it's probably not a good impulse to feed. But this is a much broader topic than AI itself.


Edited by Protagonist506 on Feb 7th 2025 at 5:25:00 AM

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Smeagol17 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1403: Feb 7th 2025 at 10:21:26 PM

Aside being distasteful, for now it is not more morally objectionable than coding Counter-Strike bots with the intention of shooting them in the face.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#1404: Feb 8th 2025 at 4:14:38 AM

man maybe I should finish that story where dating sim ai took over the world :p

But yeah, right now its disturbing in same sense as any disturbing fetish is. But it does kinda show why more intelligent the ai is, more ethically questionably creating them would be.

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1405: Feb 8th 2025 at 5:01:28 AM

As someone who well, spends a lot of time on internet. Yes this largely in line with what is already out there with more help from the computer. I will admit thought that it is bit more disturbing when it is interactive like this rather then in writing.

Edited by Risa123 on Feb 8th 2025 at 2:01:50 PM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1406: Feb 10th 2025 at 5:15:17 AM

I think we all suspect that the first General Artificial Intelligence will be a sex bot.

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#1407: Feb 10th 2025 at 9:22:16 AM

Microsoft and Carnage Mellon have published research that says that over reliance on AI can atrophy human cognition and impede critical thinking:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2025/01/lee_2025_ai_critical_thinking_survey.pdf?ref=404media.co

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#1408: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:41:45 AM

No surprise there.

When you rely on AI to do your homework and research, without having to actually filter and read what you are looking for, those skills eventually end up atrophying.

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Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1409: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:47:20 AM

Yeah, I have known programming students who use AI to the point that they barely know much about programming.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#1410: Feb 10th 2025 at 3:24:04 PM

I mean that feels like it would've been common sense since...2008

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 10th 2025 at 3:24:23 AM

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#1411: Feb 10th 2025 at 10:01:27 PM

I find it much much more concerning that the AI "begged" users not to uninstall the app. Thats definitely a deliberately choice on the part of the creators. Fake-abusing a chatbot is stupid, but im much more alarmed about chatbots being created to manipulate their users emotions by framing deleting the app as "abusive"

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#1412: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:52:52 PM

I mean, its similar to how lot of companies send you "We miss you" messages if you unsubscribe them or haven't bought stuff from them from a while. Nothing in law of any country prevents emotional manipulation of customer sadly

Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#1413: Feb 11th 2025 at 6:13:59 AM

[up][up]Was it the developers who did that?

I managed to get Gemini to tone down the self-flagellation after I correct its mistakes. So maybe the users themselves added that as part of 'abused victim' roleplay.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#1414: Mar 1st 2025 at 4:20:50 AM

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/3-men-charged-fraud-nvidia-chips-singapore-china-deepseek-4964721

Singaporean Customs and police made arrests; suspects are two Singaporeans and one Chinese guy as they conspired to ship Nvidia chips to China, which were likely used to power DeepSeek.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#1415: Mar 12th 2025 at 1:25:22 PM

Sony seems to be experimenting with AI chatbots in games.

So far, not much known, but there was allegedly a video - that was taken down for a copyright claim - showing someone talking to Aloy from the Horizon games.

The technology demo uses Open AI’s whisper for speech-to-text, and both GPT-4 and Llama 3 for conversations and decision making. Sony’s has its own internal Emotional Voice Synthesis (EVS) system that it uses for speech generation, according to Raghoebardajal, and audio to face animation is powered by Sony’s own Mockingbird technology.

I've seen AI chatbot games as well, including a chatbot mod for Skyrim that lets you talk to all of the game's characters, who would even do in-game actions based on what you said to them. It was flawed but clearly had a lot of effort put into it, with characters referencing their own backstories and even their own past actions.

I also saw an AI chatbot ghost game in which the ghost wouldn't respond to anything referencing its past actual actions, as if it had no memory of anything it did or clue what it was actually doing. I forget the name of the game, but YouTuber Penguinz0/Charles White did a hilarious video on it that I had to send to my mom for her to laugh at.

Anyway, I don't know where this will lead but it seems like with AI being the big buzzword in the industry, companies both big and small will be chasing this technology. The big question is when we'll get that killer app that uses it well.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#1416: Mar 13th 2025 at 6:14:44 AM

Well assuming it won't end up like some of previous tech fads.

The main thing that is weird about it is that on some level you could think of it as more advanced procedural generation, but some are thinking of applying it for things procedural generation is bad at which would benefit more of hand crafted design experience. I guess because idea of something like "no man's sky, except ai generates the planets" doesn't feel like different enough as marketing idea? So instead they are looking into things like "what if conversations were handled by chatbot" despite how bad of idea that is (I mean, imagine endless conversation that lacks natural end points until player gets bored or that are really redundant and repetitive because there really isn't a character arc.)

Like its more believable for me that a company could generate base line with ai and then have employees heavily edit it into something good(which would be controversial in its own way), but it kinda feels like that isn't enough for companies, so they are trying to think of the way game could actively use the technology during play and that just kinda seems like stabbing themselves in foot.(whether that's by performance issues, game's price, production cost or final experience feeling bland)

TLDR: Dunno if it'll be more than equivalent of killer app with annoying microtransactions, it might not preclude game using it from being good, but I don't think any game has convinced most of audience that gacha mechanics are actually a good thing no matter how good game itself is

Edited by SpookyMask on Mar 13th 2025 at 6:59:32 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#1417: Mar 13th 2025 at 9:54:26 AM

Like its more believable for me that a company could generate base line with ai and then have employees heavily edit it into something good(which would be controversial in its own way), but it kinda feels like that isn't enough for companies, so they are trying to think of the way game could actively use the technology during play and that just kinda seems like stabbing themselves in foot.(whether that's by performance issues, game's price, production cost or final experience feeling bland)

Doing this would seemingly defeat the entire point of using AI at all, which is flexibility outside of pre-written responses. An AI can intake natural language and output believable responses, versus a pre-written dialogue that’s locked into whatever the writers prepare beforehand.

They should have sent a poet.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#1418: Mar 13th 2025 at 10:25:41 AM

I much prefer pre-written dialogue that doesn't make up whatever the AI wants with no consistency.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#1419: Mar 13th 2025 at 11:37:14 AM

I'm not sure if the technology is there yet but I'm familiar enough with conversational A.I.s to say this is a very good idea in principle and very likely possible.

Not entirely unprecedented either, there are video games already built around such A.I.s.

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#1420: Mar 13th 2025 at 1:12:06 PM

The technology is getting closer every single day, and faster every day, too.

Its not quite Singularity level yet, but most experts in the field think that the very least, Artificially Generated Intellegence (Defined by them as AI who's capabilities are on the same level or higher then PHD and Nobel Prize winning humans) is gonna be a thing in most peoples life time at least by 2030, with quite a few being bullish enough to predict that next year or 2027 that it might happen, especially as AI agents are being prototyped and likely to be commonplace by the end of the year. ASI (Artificial Superior Intellegence, or a single AI that's smarter then all of Humanity combined) won't be too far behind after AGI as more of them are created, due to relying on them to advance AI even further.

To put this into perspective, prior to LLM's becoming mainstream and as good as they are now, older predictions were anywhere from 2050 to even 2100, which shows just how much of an advancement AI as it is now has pushed up those predictions.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Mar 13th 2025 at 4:15:04 AM

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Caliu A coherent contradiction from the farthest shore Since: Oct, 2020
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#1421: Mar 13th 2025 at 2:30:10 PM

I'm not going to say AGI in 2027/2030 definetly won't happen, as no one knows and, of course, I don't have the knowledge to make such predictions.

But I have to point out those predictions are not unanimous, maybe not even the majority among experts -some dare say the opposite, that true AGI may never come- as for example this article exposes (in spanish). I also like that it points out something that should be evident but gets often overlooked: many experts that make the boldest claims about AGI are the people from Open AI, Nvidia, etc, which have a clear incentive to make them in order to sell their product and attract investors. This doesn't authomatically mean that they are lying or wrong, but a healthy dose of skepticism is due when the car salesman says his car is a miracle and you absolutely should buy it right now because soon everyone will use it.

As for the AI chatbots in games, I think the vision of the artist/s, message of the work and focus on the intended themes are vital in art (which btw videogames can absolutely be, and in consequence they have to act accordingly). And the AI sure can make new dialogue every time, but this can easily result in the dialogue losing the meaning and focus, wandering aimelessly without adding anything of real value, just filler.

Edited by Caliu on Mar 13th 2025 at 9:31:45 AM

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Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1422: Mar 13th 2025 at 3:27:16 PM

NPCs within video games will be less boring and more of a World of Ham with this AI enjambing it. Think of how much tycoon or simulator-esque games could benefit from this. I don't want the entire dialogue AI, at most I'll get by 70%.

Edited by Dictionaryman616 on Mar 13th 2025 at 6:27:37 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1423: Mar 15th 2025 at 2:36:17 PM

Everything depends on the details, and how you define things. What does the "G" the in GAI really mean? Or for that matter, the "I"?

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#1424: Mar 17th 2025 at 6:23:33 AM

^^^^^^Basically yeah, discussion on story kinda requires ability for audience to have shared experience. If story is hypothetically unique for each person, then there is no way everyone gets as effective story out of chatbot. Like, even with Dwarf Fortress, you have lot of people get inspired to tell story from random events, but you don't see anyone discussing DF storytelling over major narrative based games or discuss individual stories from DF community as their favorite examples of fiction overall.

Like, I'm sure SOMEONE in this large world got some kind of grand experience from chatting with chat bot daily, but generally speaking, if chatbot talks like real person... Well, how many conversations on this forum you remember long in the future?

Basically, the "unique conversation for each playthrough" is kind of novelty that loses its luster fast because it its just not possible for every unique conversation to be memorable, especially when produced on spot without feedback and editing. (people like to imagine that sufficiently advanced AI doesn't need editors or feedback and just creates something good as first draft, those people don't understand what draft means :'D )

At best ai chat bot could be used for filler background npc chatter but like.... That just means you are outright admitting you don't want to put effort into making filler interesting and just need it to fill the space. Which is fair enough I guess, but might also just consider cutting it entirely since I think ai generating background chatter would still be performance hog.

^^^Yup. Doesn't help that lot of people WANT to make grand proclamations of future in hopes they are right and thus get to declare themselves visionary that predicted something big (and hope it gets forgotten if they got it wrong. Its why singularity theory persists, its just another variant of infinite growth rhetoric)

Edited by SpookyMask on Mar 17th 2025 at 6:34:38 AM

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#1425: Mar 17th 2025 at 6:36:22 AM

Like, even with Dwarf Fortress, you have lot of people get inspired to tell story from random events

Well that's the thing, people make stories from random events, but if an AI starts making the story for you, then making the story yourself loses its luster. The "making the story" part is the one that people who enjoy writing stories enjoy.


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