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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#3701: Nov 7th 2025 at 1:31:55 AM

Hellaverse's depiction of God, heaven and the angels is more positive than Inexpected and infinitely more positive than the Bible's depictions.

It feels weird that only Sera, Adam and the exorcists knew about the genocides while the rest of Heaven is opposed.

I thought that the show would say screw fetting into heaven which would be a dystopia, and their goal would be to try to make Hell a decent place (which still might be the show's endgoal given Pentious hates Heaven)

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#3702: Nov 7th 2025 at 2:26:58 AM

I do hope that show’s endgame is Charlie deciding to make Hell better place. Because no matter how most of Heaven is portayed, with development Hell outside of Pride Ring gets in Helluva Boss and fact that Heaven’s leadership still approved of annual genocides, for show to just end up reaffirming good and evil dichotomy between realms simply doesn’t feel satisfiying.

Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#3703: Nov 7th 2025 at 4:21:20 AM

I like to think that the idea of "Heaven" isn't actually a place but a state of presence that distinguish it from the mortal realm and Hell.

I mean, the big distinction between the two in the bible is a matter of how far away from the presence of God they are.

And in this show, it could be shown in the form of Sir Pentious that a soul can enter heaven, but it only truly becomes a Paradise when in the presence of the ones you love and hold the dearest to your heart the most.

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#3704: Nov 7th 2025 at 4:33:44 AM

There have been stories outright demonizing Heaven long before Hazbin Hotel came out.

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#3705: Nov 7th 2025 at 4:44:11 AM

The various ancient gnostic traditions outright stated Yahweh was an evil (or otherwise flawed) Demiurge (and reading the Old Testament its not hard to see how they came to that conclusion given Yahweh is depicted as a ruthless monster by our modern sensible standards)

Hazbin's theology seems to be a All Myths Are True, borrowing heavily from Christian aesthetics, but we also see Egyptian God-like being in heaven, the Von Eldritch are Lovecraft Lite, and Pentious uses the term Elysian which is from Greek theology (granted Christianity also borrowed a lot from Greek theology)

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#3706: Nov 7th 2025 at 4:51:23 AM

Yeah I don’t recall people giving Supernatural nearly as much shit for their portrayal of Heaven and God.

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Tharrb Since: Oct, 2023
#3707: Nov 7th 2025 at 5:17:45 AM

They kind of did, though mainly for the Ceberus Retcon of making Chuck/God the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire series.

IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#3708: Nov 7th 2025 at 5:19:10 AM

Since Vox was revealed to be a cult leader when he was alive on Earth, and he's running his own mass media network in Hell, there's a high chance that most (if not all) of the media produced in the V Tower are propaganda pieces, telling the viewing public to "trust us, just us (the Vees)".

I won't be shocked if some of the Vees' (former) clients in the past included kid sinners (assuming there are pre-adolescent sinners). Though, I could easily see Vox drawing the line at hurting children, as it would seriously damage the Vees' reputation.

Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#3709: Nov 7th 2025 at 5:27:18 AM

I don't think Vox would put kids anywhere near Velvette or Valentino, assuming there are any that aren't part of Cannibal town or young adults like Carmilla's daughters running around in Hell.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Nov 7th 2025 at 2:27:33 PM

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
tetradimensional good day everyone from colombia (Troper in training)
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#3710: Nov 7th 2025 at 6:13:01 AM

I mean...there are seemingly sinner babies has seen in the speedrunning to redemption (now, if they grow or not or stay eternally young is something else to think about) and no i don't think they are hellborn since Pentagram City is full of sinners.

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ReginaldOgron5 Est Ut Squimplex Ut from Two blocks down from the Undead Burg Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: I want you to want me
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#3711: Nov 7th 2025 at 6:26:01 AM

[up] There are at least some Hellborn in Hell (e.g. shark gangsters that look like they're from the Greed Ring), so I don't necessarily know if that logic makes sense.

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tetradimensional good day everyone from colombia (Troper in training)
good day everyone
#3712: Nov 7th 2025 at 6:58:48 AM

Now I think Katie Kill Joy is homophobic only towards women, because she is heterosexual and doesn't care at all if a man is bisexual, because she likes men.

Edited by tetradimensional on Nov 7th 2025 at 9:59:01 AM

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Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#3713: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:00:27 AM

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Those babies looked a lot like imps, to be honest.

And the kid in Vox's slander show where he and the Vees had a soup kitchen stage in "New Pentious" looked a lot like an imp too, with the main traits covered up conveniently to make it pass off as a "Sinner" to the viewers.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Nov 7th 2025 at 4:00:38 PM

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#3714: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:03:58 AM

The Shark Demons Angel fought bled red, while Hellborn have black blood, so they were sinners that are also Anthro Sharks.

I think the babies we saw in the montage were imps though.

Edited by Moroaica on Nov 7th 2025 at 7:04:44 AM

IvanovTroping97 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#3715: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:09:51 AM

Now I think Katie Kill Joy is homophobic only towards women, because she is heterosexual and doesn't care at all if a man is bisexual, because she likes men.

Or maybe because Katie is working for Vox, who is bisexual. I think she's secretly scared that Vox will feed her to one of his sharks if Katie talks smack about non-heterosexual men (like Vox and Val).

I'd like to hear what Katie would say about Velvette being a lesbian. It would be ironic if Katie talks positively about Velvette and negatively about Charlie, only because the former is associated with her boss.

Edited by IvanovTroping97 on Nov 7th 2025 at 6:13:20 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#3716: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:12:37 AM

Yeah, most people in Hell see Charlie as a pushover to be bullied and the Vees as monsters that will easily ruin your reputation or kill you over nothing, so this tracks.

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Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#3717: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:39:10 AM

Would Charlie in the process of her character development that is like the opposite of Blitzo's character development, would she actually go through extremes to where she would actually kill the person she's trying to redeem to go to heaven?

I feel like that part is also kind of a elephant in the room because is it possible for a redeemed center to go into heaven without dying?

Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#3718: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:46:45 AM

[up] It's not exactly confirmed that one have to die to complete the redemption either.

I mean, Sir Pentious is just the first case and died due to the circumstances at the time so if the second case ends up in Heaven without actually dying in a sacrifice but peacefully instead, like they tuck in for the night, wishes everyone a good night and closes their eyes with a smile after having atoned for their sin the very same day and in the next instant, they get raptured up to Heaven during the night leaving only empty clothing in an empty bed behind, then that would provide more insight for Charlie to how to approach this peacefully too.

Since if she has to kill her own friends and then find out that it didn't work, then that would destroy her with grief.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Nov 7th 2025 at 4:48:42 PM

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MissSillyhead The cage. from The darkest pit in the world Since: Sep, 2024 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The cage.
#3719: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:48:29 AM

Yeah, I think the system being "commit good deeds to counteract your sins and then find a way to get yourself killed" would be, uh, a really illogical system to implement lol.

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Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#3720: Nov 7th 2025 at 7:49:06 AM

[up][up] Oh God, when you describe like that it sounds so emotional lol.

Would make for an interesting conflict involving the moral dilemma of killing an sinner who's trying to redeem themselves to Charlie.

Edited by Effect7 on Nov 7th 2025 at 7:58:50 AM

ReginaldOgron5 Est Ut Squimplex Ut from Two blocks down from the Undead Burg Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: I want you to want me
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#3721: Nov 7th 2025 at 9:36:47 AM

[up] I mean, she already kind of tried to do that in "Behind Closed Doors" in a controlled experiment which was sabotaged, and she was rightfully called out for it. But it was also clear that Charlie was spiralling and becoming increasingly desperate to determine what exactly caused Pentious' redemption after already digging herself into a hole. It doesn't feel like the show's tone indicates that it's going to go to a really dark place like that.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#3722: Nov 7th 2025 at 10:17:59 AM

Is Nifty a sinner or hellborn?

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Inky100 Ragdoll used for creepy stuff from The virtual horror factory Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Ragdoll used for creepy stuff
#3723: Nov 7th 2025 at 10:19:58 AM

[up] A Sinner.

Waiting to have my head disfigured and mounted on a wall.
Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#3724: Nov 7th 2025 at 10:21:33 AM

[up][up] Sinner.

And very high up on my "Next to be redeemed?" guess-list too.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Nov 7th 2025 at 7:22:08 PM

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
Inky100 Ragdoll used for creepy stuff from The virtual horror factory Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Ragdoll used for creepy stuff
#3725: Nov 7th 2025 at 10:22:28 AM

[up] I know it may not happen this way in the series itself, but it'd be funny if a Sinner who didn't explicitly want to be redeemed ends up ascending to Heaven.

Edited by Inky100 on Nov 7th 2025 at 7:22:45 PM

Waiting to have my head disfigured and mounted on a wall.

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