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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#126: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:17:22 AM

Its unfortunately type of character design you get used to fast though, same with Byleth's outfit's weird decorative sleeves. That said I never got Xenoblade 2 because of character design.

(Engage character design is funny because they look good in artist's actual work, but the game devs didn't seem to realize they wouldn't work in the game as presented tongue)

Edited by SpookyMask on Mar 13th 2024 at 8:18:32 AM

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#127: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:19:08 AM

I find the character design in Unicorn Overlord is good. Great even.

Because it has Amalia, who is the best character design of the year.

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#128: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:25:12 AM

[up]

Can't get any info about this game on Tumblr because everyone is just thirstposting over Amalia.
You said this just two days ago!

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#129: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:32:35 AM

I never said I wasn't part of the problem.

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#130: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:35:43 AM

Yeah, if liking attractive big ladies with eyepatches is wrong, then I pledge to be eminently incorrect.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#131: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:38:07 AM

Its unfortunately type of character design you get used to fast though, same with Byleth's outfit's weird decorative sleeves.

Byleth looks normal compared to the walking Pepsi / Colgate / Optimus Prime deco that is the other one. Like, that one looks like what a parody of an Fire Emblem character would be.

(Engage character design is funny because they look good in artist's actual work, but the game devs didn't seem to realize they wouldn't work in the game as presented tongue)

I cannot imagine that hair working in any art. Or at least not being what drags it down.

Yeah, if liking attractive big ladies with eyepatches is wrong, then I pledge to be eminently incorrect.

Look its natural to be attracted to 8 feet tall ladies with no pants built like fridges.

Speaking of designs, female elven fencers have interesting choices of outfits and I am here for it.

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 13th 2024 at 11:41:10 AM

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#132: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:45:24 AM

Honestly the female elven Fencers are so wanton I can't care for them too much. Although I'm admittedly rather entranced by the witch's hip-wiggle.

You know what's a real tragedy though? Dark knights cover up their thighs when they promote.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#133: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:48:42 AM

Look some of us appreciate a girl wearing nothing but straps and a sword.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#134: Mar 13th 2024 at 8:54:00 AM

[up]x3 If it makes you feel better the original concept for Alear was Black/White hair cause the hair and eye color IS plot relevant in Engage regarding all dragons.

Also Blue/Red hair has been done by the character designer before. Usually in her Vtuber or Vtuber inspired characters. Though some do shake things up by having black hair to go with red and blue.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 13th 2024 at 9:53:42 AM

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#135: Mar 13th 2024 at 9:11:27 AM

[up][up] They're elves though. Disgusting.

[up] NOBODY CARES ABOUT ALEAR RIGHT NOW. We're not talking about Alear!

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Going by what Ghilz said earlier it's true that Alain's problem (And many others) isn't that he's "Kind and heroic" it's that he's non confrontational.

Take ALEAR for example! In the early levels they actually do something heroes don't often do: Run the hell away from danger. This actually causes friction within the group. That's interesting! I wanted to see how that would evolve! But it's a character trait that is immediately dropped, and interviews basically said it's because... It caused friction in the group. And then Alear's your standard non-confrontational lead from then on.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#137: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:06:49 AM

@Ghilz: Thats the thing it works in Pikazo's style because of how ...I dunno what is adjective but anyway you get the point, the designs don't work in "clean 3d models" as they are in the game, they kinda require very ecletic style

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#138: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:17:19 AM

[up] Fair though again I think this is "Would work even better with literally any other hair color" but as a super styled up thing, yeah, it's fine.

Going by what Ghilz said earlier it's true that Alain's problem (And many others) isn't that he's "Kind and heroic" it's that he's non confrontational.

I think to a big degree Alain is a victim of the game's format. Again, to draw a Parallel to Serenoa from Triangle Strategy, Serenoa is a blank piece of bread because the plot needs Serenoa to reasonably agree to any of the story branches, from abiding genocide to revolutionary leader shaking the world order. So Serenoa can't really have strong opinions coz all paths have to remain open.

Alain has a similar boat. They didn't give him one or two or three love interests. He has dozens. And the gameplay doesn't really allow for Alain to face major setbacks, defeats, or anything major that'd fundamentally shake his character. Coz that'd leave the player wining levels and then being told in the cutscenes "actually you lost, really" which is kinda shit. So Alain kinda needs to just be a nice good guy who doesn't ruffle feathers so he meshes with the game's 60 characters but also doesn't leave much of an impression so he can kinda slot wherever the romances want him to be at.

And to be fair, that's not necessarily a problem. It's an RPG who clearly values the gameplay first and decided on having a huge varied cast instead of a smaller one that gets developed alot.

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 13th 2024 at 1:18:39 PM

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#139: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:19:05 AM

Well that and because its harder to write 60 believable romances. Its not impossible but its hard

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#140: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:20:16 AM

Well that and because its harder to write 60 believable romances. Its not impossible but its hard

60 Romances who will only span one or two conversations (since most rapport conversations are non-romantic)

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#141: Mar 13th 2024 at 10:27:38 AM

Well to be fair, it would be easier to make believable romances with longer romances than that, but yes thats part of what makes it really hard.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#142: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:02:01 AM

I mean I hear some of the maiden ring ceremonies aren't explicitly romantic. Although as usual that just seems to be a case of "It's okay we said no homo though".

... Can you maiden ring Player Mooks? They have unique lines for chowing down in the tavern...

Edited by ShirowShirow on Mar 13th 2024 at 6:03:19 PM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#143: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:20:52 AM

There’s also the fact the partner you chose appears in the ending with Alain and helps him defeat the True Final Boss through the power of both Unicorn and Maiden.

But yeah even with what I knew of Unicorns and the like I never expected things to be too complicated. It would defeat the purpose of using Unicorns so intimately in the game itself since their whole thing is purity, cleansing, and their association with Maidens. Adding in the fact that one of the races in the setting are also Angels and the settings deity The Father, and it leans heavily into the Unicorn and the Maidens Christian ties as well(Unicorn=Jesus and Maiden=Virgin Mary). This is even more obvious once you learn what became if the actual Unicorn too.

The fact the game actually saying that men can be maidens and are capable of being pure and virtuous like women is already a lot more than I expected.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 13th 2024 at 11:22:15 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#144: Mar 13th 2024 at 11:29:22 AM

I just hope it sells well to give Fire Emblem competition.

Just Makima.
Watashiwa Since: Dec, 2009
#145: Mar 13th 2024 at 12:12:42 PM

I'll be very surprised if UO matches Engage. The game is doing amazingly but not breaking out the way it'd need to for that.

[down]Oh, that I wouldn't worry about, I think it already has. I hope it keeps selling evergreen style so that they don't have to take out massive loans again.

Between UO and last year's PC port of Tactics Ogre LUCT, I hope Square gets the idea of remaking March of the Black Queen and Person of Lordly Caliber HD 2 D style.

Edited by Watashiwa on Mar 13th 2024 at 12:24:22 PM

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#146: Mar 13th 2024 at 12:16:43 PM

I hope it does enough to make up Vanillaware's costs

Not like we're getting a franchise out of this, Vanillaware doesnt really make sequels.

But hey maybe it'll inspire others to scratch the Ogre battle itch. So far its between this and Symphony of War and the later's writing makes Unicorn Overlord look like Shakespeare.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#147: Mar 13th 2024 at 1:05:21 PM

Square gets the idea of remaking March of the Black Queen and Person of Lordly Caliber HD 2 D style.

Or a sequel to lordly caliber since that kinda hangs on a sequel hook.

Watashiwa Since: Dec, 2009
#148: Mar 13th 2024 at 1:16:14 PM

Yes that's my actual wish, use HD-2D to get the series back on track, then make the prequels that show Zenobia's rise to power and the sequels that lead to the final Ogre Battle.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#149: Mar 13th 2024 at 1:41:52 PM

I would very much like to play as the titular Black Queen from Ogre Battle.

She's hot.

Also lol at the comment on Symphony of War's writing. One thing in its favor is the evil empire actually commiting atrocities on screen. Not a case of "Tell don't show". Not a case of Stupid Evil either. I really wanted to tear into the bad guy's spleens after the midgame.

All the cities seem to be run down in Unicorn Overlord but it doesn't usually explain why...

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#150: Mar 13th 2024 at 1:55:11 PM

Also lol at the comment on Symphony of War's writing. One thing in its favor is the evil empire actually commiting atrocities on screen. Not a case of "Tell don't show". Not a case of Stupid Evil either. I really wanted to tear into the bad guy's spleens after the midgame.

True but there's a strong If You're So Evil, Eat This Kitten! energy. And that doesnt make up for stuff like just... characters switching side for no reason (The bad guy's hot daughter basically switches side coz... I dunno, mood?) Some of the dialogue is painful to read I'm grateful the game doesnt have voice acting coz hearing it might make me bruise myself by cringing too hard.

Like the gameplay is cool but a lot of the plot is like... baby's first fanfic.

I would very much like to play as the titular Black Queen from Ogre Battle.

Endora does rock that outfit.

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 13th 2024 at 4:57:43 AM


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