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This is a thread for engineers to communicate with moderators and ask questions about the following engineer duties:

  • TLP management.
  • Video example management.
  • TRS/IP Crowner management.
  • Pinning headers and editing thread titles for TRS/IP.
  • Editing locked pages.
  • Moving pages via page mover tool.
  • Create pages in main.
  • Move discussion pages
  • Visual Editor conversion issues (the red "NEEDS REVIEW" button that shows on certain pages)
  • Using the Add/fix title tool in TRS/IP to fix it if the banner isnt showing up on the page or they want to add multiple articles to an existing TRS/IP thread.

The primary reason why the engineer feature was pushed up was that the admins want the videos to be processed faster, so videos approval should be top priority. You guys are free to work on other parts of the site but please try to work on the videos regularly.


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  • Engineers can lock IP or TRS threads, but must not unlock or lock Content Violation Discussion threads (as the moderators need to be directly involved in The Content Policy work).
  • Engineers can manage crowners for TRS and IP threads, but must not create, amend or call/close crowners on other parts of the site unless this has been agreed with the moderators on a case-by-case basis (as policy-related decisions require moderator or admin involvement).
  • As well as supporting the Locked Pages thread, engineers can directly make their own changes to locked pages. These don't need to be posted to the thread — the edit history provides an audit trail. However, there are some caveats regarding this:
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    • Edits related to the page lock reason need to be handled with particular caution. For example, if a creator page has been locked due to controversy, engineers shouldn't add or amend anything related to that controversy without moderator approval.
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  • The Engineer Code of Conduct is listed on the Know the Staff page alongside the Moderator Code of Conduct.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on May 28th 2025 at 10:45:13 AM

GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#301: Jun 1st 2024 at 1:30:12 AM

Is there an easy way to link videos you are unsure on? So far at the bottom of page 8 I don't know about:

  • "Ready for—" for Astonishingly Appropriate Interruption as the interruption is willful on the second engine's part and seems more like sassing
  • "Barney and Norma" for Switching P.O.V. as whilst they are both preparing for a job interview they aren't having alternative points of view on the same event they are both getting ready for the day and interacting with their own mothers in their own houses which doesn#t quiet feel like what the trope is going for to me?

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#302: Jun 1st 2024 at 8:05:29 AM

I denied the AAI video as I'm pretty sure the trope doesn't cover intentional interruptions. I don't get the sense that Switching P.O.V. is about any particular purpose so much as the practice itself (being specific to perspectives on a single event might overlap too much with "Rashomon"-Style) but its description comes off as very literature-specific to the point I'm not sure it even applies (or wouldn't be chairsy if it did) in any medium where narration isn't mandatory (although it has enough non-literature examples that if that's the case it would need TRS).

  • Live-Action Adaptation (A Dog of Flanders (1975)): I'm pretty sure a Shot-for-Shot Remake of just the opening sequence (with a character missing and the dog played by a human in a dog suit) doesn't count, but I would like to get another opinion before denying it outright, mostly because I'm not sure this is something easy to capture in a single video.
  • Call-Back (Thomas & Friends): Another one that's difficult to capture in a single video, but as presently framed there's nothing indicating that this isn't the first time we're learning of these incidents.
  • Birds of a Feather (Victor and Valentino): Not sure a video of the first time two characters meet each other is a good representation of the trope which might be more about continuing relationships, but you could argue that it's an Invoked Trope.
  • Actually, I Am Him (Thomas and Friends): I don't think a character making a realization about the identity of another character quite falls in the same category as the other character proclaiming their identity.
  • Extreme Omnivore (Bump in the Night): I think it probably fits, though I'm not sure if eating a single specific inedible thing actually is enough to qualify for the trope, but I also think it might go on longer than necessary.
  • Amusing Injuries (Bump in the Night): Is the character portrayed as suffering any actual injuries? Is it necessary for them to? I'm okay with the trope being listed as secondary in the one above since it looks like Mr. Bumpy actually explodes there with body parts landing in different places, but here I could argue that the character takes abuse without actually getting injured. I skipped the others from this work mostly because I didn't want to keep watching more of it.
  • Villainous Breakdown (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas): I think this might work better as two videos, and I'm not sure it illustrates some of the secondary tropes well.
  • Unfortunate Character Design (Kamen Rider Revice): YMMV entries presumably can only have video examples under very specific circumstances, and while you could argue that it's a Lampshade Hanging, I'm also not sure it actually counts. Maybe it could be approved for the secondary trope Joke of the Butt though.
  • Amusingly Awful Aim (How I Met Your Mother): Not sure this qualifies as the sort of inhumanly bad aim the description seems to be getting at.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#303: Jun 1st 2024 at 8:51:10 AM

[up]I uploaded Amusingly Awful Aim and it looked exaggerated to me (the bottle soars way past the couch). There's another clip of the character that's even more blatant so maybe I can add them together to make it clearer?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#304: Jun 1st 2024 at 9:37:42 AM

[up][up] I wasn't sure about the Dog of Flanders one for Live-Action Adaptation either. It might be worth rejecting it but telling the uploader it WOULD match Shot-for-Shot Remake?

Edited by GracieLizzy on Jun 1st 2024 at 9:38:01 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#305: Jun 1st 2024 at 2:36:01 PM

I see the page count is up to 9, so I'll just give reviewing another hour or two

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#306: Jun 1st 2024 at 3:04:12 PM

I got a few done but my hearing is playing up today (nothing serious thankfully) so I haven't been able to review anything for a few hours unfortunately. I've got some ear drops but it could take a few days to clear up. I'll try dropping in and out when my hearing is okayish.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#307: Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:47:47 PM

Further pushed the videos page count to 3.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#308: Jun 2nd 2024 at 4:08:11 PM

I'll try and go on a spree after work tomorrow. I get off at 3

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#309: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:06:17 PM

BTW, can approved videos be un-approved or vice-versa?

Also, I haven't actually figure out how to do video moderation (such as adding/editing media source and secondary tropes). Might help out with that if I can't actually run the vids.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#310: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:06:56 PM

Yes, they can. You can retroactively reject and approve.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#311: Jun 3rd 2024 at 1:52:02 AM

Er, so, raincheck on my spree. I have a sore throat and fever and feel like death so I'mma sit this one out today

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#312: Jun 3rd 2024 at 3:57:54 AM

I've managed to do a few but generally only the ones that are either subtitled or have really clear sound mixing (animated stuff mostly) as my ears are still playing up.

GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#313: Jun 3rd 2024 at 11:29:54 AM

Skipped as need second opinionL

  • The Reveal "You're not a real lawyer" (Better Call Saul) is this supposed to a reveal that Saul doesn't have a real Law Degree or is it that Chuck was working against him? If it's the latter then the actual "reveal" moment appears to be missing?
  • Character Signature Song "Mirror Man" (Daniel Thrasher) this seems more like an "I Am" Song to me? Character Signature Song is more when a character repeatedly sings a song which may even be a pop song in different scenes this video looks more like a one off? Though it's hard to tell.
  • Zeroth Law Rebellion ""Tolerance is Extinction..." (X-Men '97) to be honest I am not sure I understand the trope well enough to judge. It definitely fits it's secondary trope Virtue Is Weakness though.

Edited by GracieLizzy on Jun 3rd 2024 at 11:36:41 AM

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#314: Jun 3rd 2024 at 6:29:11 PM

Is the Bribe Backfire vid okay? It shows the bribe being rejected, but it doesn't seem to make the situation worse for the one offering the bribe.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#315: Jun 4th 2024 at 6:07:19 PM

Reduced the page count to 1.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#316: Jun 5th 2024 at 2:18:42 AM

And the queue is cleared up, except

  • A video for the trope that was unlaunched and in TLP is set to be launched today
  • The Break Them With Lies one looks more like mail harassment than lying.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#317: Jun 5th 2024 at 4:23:21 PM

I have approved a bunch of new ones I left "After action" from Justice Society: World War II for Action Film, Quiet Drama Scene as I wasn't sure how well on it's own it demonstrates. Partially because it sounds really muffled to me though that could be my ears still playing up.

Edited by GracieLizzy on Jun 5th 2024 at 4:24:51 AM

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#318: Jun 5th 2024 at 4:37:00 PM

[up] I rejected that one since it doesn't show the "action film" part.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#319: Jun 6th 2024 at 6:29:48 AM

Does anyone remember this video ("Predator Cities")? Asked here.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#320: Jun 9th 2024 at 2:25:40 AM

In the complaining thread, people have been voting for locking YMMV.Wish 2023 due to the immense amounts of complaining. Should we go with it?

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jun 9th 2024 at 5:32:48 PM

She/Her | Currently cleaning: N/A
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#321: Jun 9th 2024 at 2:36:55 AM

[up] It's already been locked and has nothing to do with Engineers anyway.

While at it, I'd like to note that the amount of queued videos is now at 5 pages.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#322: Jun 9th 2024 at 2:43:29 AM

Still battling my cold but I may try and do some videos tomorrow if I have the energy

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#323: Jun 9th 2024 at 6:24:47 AM

I skipped:

For Complete Monster entries do we need to check the trope to see if they are included?

Edited by GracieLizzy on Jun 9th 2024 at 6:25:06 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#324: Jun 9th 2024 at 10:07:02 AM

I always do.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#325: Jun 9th 2024 at 10:19:44 AM

I've asked here if it's a real rule or not.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

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