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This is a thread for engineers to communicate with moderators and ask questions about the following engineer duties:

  • TLP management.
  • Video example management.
  • TRS/IP Crowner management.
  • Pinning headers and editing thread titles for TRS/IP.
  • Editing locked pages.
  • Moving pages via page mover tool.
  • Create pages in main.
  • Move discussion pages
  • Visual Editor conversion issues (the red "NEEDS REVIEW" button that shows on certain pages)
  • Using the Add/fix title tool in TRS/IP to fix it if the banner isnt showing up on the page or they want to add multiple articles to an existing TRS/IP thread.

The primary reason why the engineer feature was pushed up was that the admins want the videos to be processed faster, so videos approval should be top priority. You guys are free to work on other parts of the site but please try to work on the videos regularly.


Policy notes

  • Engineers can lock IP or TRS threads, but must not unlock or lock Content Violation Discussion threads (as the moderators need to be directly involved in The Content Policy work).
  • Engineers can manage crowners for TRS and IP threads, but must not create, amend or call/close crowners on other parts of the site unless this has been agreed with the moderators on a case-by-case basis (as policy-related decisions require moderator or admin involvement).
  • As well as supporting the Locked Pages thread, engineers can directly make their own changes to locked pages. These don't need to be posted to the thread — the edit history provides an audit trail. However, there are some caveats regarding this:
    • All of the site's usual troping guidance still applies. Specifically, image changes need to go via Image Pickin' and other major changes shouldn't be unilateral.
    • Edits related to the page lock reason need to be handled with particular caution. For example, if a creator page has been locked due to controversy, engineers shouldn't add or amend anything related to that controversy without moderator approval.
    • Administrivia policies must only be amended by moderators (or with direct approval from moderators or admins). Typo and wikilink fixes are fine, but engineers shouldn't change anything beyond that.
    • The rules regarding moderator involvement on lock-related topics and site policies (Administrivia) still apply if a thread seems to have reached consensus or a change request is submitted via Locked Pages. These decisions must have moderator oversight as well (and may sometimes get escalated for admin approval as well).

  • The Engineer Code of Conduct is listed on the Know the Staff page alongside the Moderator Code of Conduct.
  • This thread is not for posting requests for mods, such as posting reports about other users. Please use Ask The Tropers or hollers for that.
  • This thread is visible to all users, as the contents are not confidential. However, only mods and engineers are able to post in it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 28th 2025 at 10:45:13 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#276: May 30th 2024 at 4:54:46 PM

[up][up] I have actually asked several times for more help with videos. I myself am extremely burnt out with them but if I don't go on a several hour spree at least once a week they pile up.

I didn't want to rock the boat by saying anything because I understood that videos aren't fun for anyone. But idk if getting more engineers is a fix if nobody wants to take the work

Edited by WarJay77 on May 30th 2024 at 7:56:15 AM

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#277: May 30th 2024 at 5:17:00 PM

Looks like a record. I'll give it effort tomorrow since I'm relatively more free.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
kory MOD Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#278: May 30th 2024 at 5:35:42 PM

[up][up] thanks warjay for helping out the most up to this point with videos and thanks Amonimus for helping us catch up.

While we appreciate any help, being an engineer is about helping the moderators out with their duties so the site flows and functions more smoothly and they can focus on more important tasks that are mod specific like Edit Banned and Account Approvals.

The number one thing they have trouble doing is video approvals. If you signed up to be an engineer it means you want to help the moderators with their duties and that means helping with video approvals. If any of you don’t want to help with video approvals at all or don’t have the time then please let us know so we can give your spot to someone else who’s more willing to help with them or who simply has more free time.

Thanks for all the help you’ve all put in so far. I know the moderators appreciate it very much.

Edited by kory on May 30th 2024 at 5:40:20 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#279: May 30th 2024 at 5:58:02 PM

I do wonder if every engineer is even aware that this thread exists. I haven't seen half of them post here.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 30th 2024 at 8:58:32 AM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#280: May 31st 2024 at 4:13:36 AM

Reduced 17 pages to 11 and taking a short break before resuming.

~Adept ~Ayumi-chan ~FernandoLemon ~GracieLizzy ~Mightymewtron ~MorganWick bringing attention to this post

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GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#281: May 31st 2024 at 4:31:02 AM

I'm at work today and have a D & D game tonight but I can look at them over the weekend. I have dropped in a few times and approved a few but then sometimes get stuck on if a video meets the trope and am not sure where to ask for advice.

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#282: May 31st 2024 at 4:42:47 AM

Sorry for the slow progress. I'll be sure to check the videos once I have the time.

Edit: since I forgot, where can I check the unreviewed videos?

Edited by Ayumi-chan on May 31st 2024 at 7:43:44 PM

She/Her | Currently cleaning: N/A
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#283: May 31st 2024 at 5:11:14 AM

here.

While at it, need a second opinion on Tap and the Chicken clip, the troper responded with "chicken can't fly, obviously", but a quick google search shows for a small enough distance they sure can.

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#284: May 31st 2024 at 5:13:48 AM

Sorry for the slow pace. My WiFi is not the best, and it's really hard to get the vids load & buffer properly, so I can usually only get through 1-2 in one sitting. 1 page worth is usually the max.

Edited by Adept on May 31st 2024 at 7:17:35 PM

GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#285: May 31st 2024 at 5:17:59 AM

[up] [up] That one confused me too hence why I left it. I think that might be what the amazing thing was in the Postman Pat episode the clip is from as the common myth is they can't fly but without the uploader giving context I was utterly stumped.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#286: May 31st 2024 at 5:33:05 AM

BTW, this is where you'd get advice. You can always skip videos you aren't sure on, as well.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#287: May 31st 2024 at 5:45:16 AM

Lately I've been busy with studies and work, but even when I wasn't I dedicated my time to IP and not reviewing videos. I guess I could give you guys a hand when I'm not cramming for midterms.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#288: May 31st 2024 at 5:56:54 AM

I'll cop to the fact I've been going easy on videos since it's been a busy few days of work and I keep seeing stuff uploaded. I'll try and do stuff after work if there's anything left by then.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#289: May 31st 2024 at 6:03:14 AM

I've also not wanted to approve my own uploads as that seems like a no no.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#290: May 31st 2024 at 6:03:58 AM

I've posted on this thread in the past but I've mostly been lurking, and it's been months since I put any effort into reviewing videos. I'll try to look at some later today.

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#291: May 31st 2024 at 6:04:33 AM

I've been approving a few videos since I need a break from playing AC6.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#292: May 31st 2024 at 7:45:40 AM

I usually handle the video moderation thread every few days and don't deal much with the videos waiting for approval (mostly out of paranoia that I won't catch onto something and approve the wrong thing). But I can help with the video approvals as well. My apologies for a lack of diligence.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#293: May 31st 2024 at 7:47:19 AM

Hey, the moderation thread is important too. I appreciate you doing it since I hate it lol

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kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#294: May 31st 2024 at 12:14:10 PM

I appreciate everyone helping out with videos. I'm going to jump on them right now myself to help get us caught up. Although i don't have a lot of experience with tropes, so let me know if i approve something i shouldn't have.

APPROVED:

UNSURE:

  • "Izutsumi" - not sure about this one depicting Innocent Fanservice Girl since the person in the clip is aware getting naked is indecent, but makes an excuse that they are a beast so it doesn't matter to the others?
  • "Markiplier - (x25)No" - not sure about this one for Rapid-Fire "No!" since its a streamer doing it and isn't actually in any media?
  • "BP vs The Football Team" - seems a little weird to use a skit from robot chicken about her beating up naked teenagers and smashing their dicks in? But does depict the trope Roaring Rampage of Revenge in a way i guess.

Edited by kory on May 31st 2024 at 12:39:31 PM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#295: May 31st 2024 at 2:42:56 PM

After a nap it's still at 11 pages, so let I'll handle again for how much time there is available.

I must say, watching the videos, sometimes multiple times to make sure they show the tropes correctly, takes quite a long time, so unsurprisingly when everyone who can handle them are busy or leave it to others (who are busy), it would spiral out of hand if not monitored daily. I specialize more in wiki and forums, but it appears I do need to make handling at least a few videos a routine. Getting even more people wouldn't hurt, though it is a privileged role that has access to other functions.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#296: May 31st 2024 at 2:54:00 PM

I'll try and get through at least a page or two after dinner.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#297: May 31st 2024 at 5:45:10 PM

The "Wei's Power" one on page 6 has a section that has a notice about the website it was taken from. Reject based on that?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#298: May 31st 2024 at 5:47:57 PM

It's easier than that. It's 10 seconds too long.

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#299: May 31st 2024 at 9:47:18 PM

Are videos without media sources allowed? I'm assuming they're alright because in IP we have chosen pics that don't have work pages.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#300: Jun 1st 2024 at 12:40:46 AM

I wish videos allowed redlinks as a source, but until then see the last part at Video Guidelines (yes).

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