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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#401: Dec 21st 2023 at 9:35:36 AM

@Alexa: For Supernova, is it still viable on brutal to run banshees along the north edge of the final base? I remember that being an easy win condition when I last revisited the campaign, but that was not on brutal.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Dec 21st 2023 at 12:36:33 PM

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#402: Dec 21st 2023 at 9:40:02 AM

I think you still can, if you can get the final Protoss research you can still churn out enough Banshees to take down every Photon Cannon you come across. I just have trouble seeing the Photon Cannons.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#403: Dec 21st 2023 at 9:45:27 AM

Is it unreasonable to complain about a game as old as Empire Earth relying on All There in the Manual for what the various units are actually good against?

For old games it’s absolutely unreasonable to complain about it. Old booklets and manuals were the way to learn about things way back when.

Now if it’s post 2007, that’s a different story.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#404: Dec 21st 2023 at 9:52:14 AM

[up][up]Neat. One of these days I suppose I will get serious and do a proper high difficulty run, but I have just not been in an RTS mood for a few years. (Also, the ever growing list of new games I intend to play.)

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#405: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:02:35 PM

EndWar's units have "shields" in addition to health. For the vehicles, and with the help of descriptions for their various upgrades, the shields can be rationalized as active defense systems, ECM suites, warning systems, and even simple evasive maneuvers.

But what about infantry units, which also have shields? What could that represent for them?

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#406: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:10:06 PM

Maw of the Void is probably my least favorite mission in the game. The mission itself isn't too hard, but it's freaking slow, and there isn't much room for variable army comp, especially if you want to get all the Achievements. You're expected to build a fleet of Battle Cruisers, plus maybe a couple Science Vessels, and knock down each Rip Field Generator one-by-one. Even the Mothership took a couple engagements to kill because it's a Cowardly Boss that teleports away when it gets damaged.

The Battle Cruiser is our best anti-capital-ship unit with its Yamato Cannon, but it's really cost-inefficient against everything else compared to MMM + Tanks or Vikings + Banshee, and the slow build time means sometimes your Science Vessels come out later than you'd like. The Jackson's Revenge is a pretty good addition to your Merc airforce, though.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Dec 21st 2023 at 4:14:59 AM

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#407: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:14:51 PM

> For old games it’s absolutely unreasonable to complain about it. Old booklets and manuals were the way to learn about things way back when.

providing you actually kept the manual...I remember I spent more time playing the games then reading the manuals because of my short attention span

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VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#408: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:40:42 PM

[up][up][up]The only remote justification I can think of there without slapping on sci-fi Deflector Shields would be that infantrymen are pretty difficult to truly see individually at most ranges in battle, so their "shields" can represent the time it takes for the enemy to suss out their precise location.

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#409: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:44:16 PM

So, AOE 4 is half off for the Steam Winter Sale and I'm considering buying it. As someone who loved Age of Mythology, AOE 2 and (mostly modded) AOE 3, would you folks recommend it?

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#410: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:46:55 PM

[up][up][up][up]I love that the Jackson's Revenge is a giga battleship that someone decided to build two battleship-sized gatling guns on. It's ridiculously over the top.

[up]Absolutely. It doesn't have a particularly high number of available factions yet, but it's a very solid game nonetheless. At half price, you can't go wrong.

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#411: Dec 21st 2023 at 4:52:05 PM

I've not brought because it looks like more of the same

Also I've seen a lot of people saying they preferred Planetfall

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#412: Dec 21st 2023 at 6:48:54 PM

[up][up]Doesn't it have more than a dozen factions including DLC?

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#413: Dec 21st 2023 at 7:23:18 PM

The only remote justification I can think of there without slapping on sci-fi Deflector Shields would be that infantrymen are pretty difficult to truly see individually at most ranges in battle, so their "shields" can represent the time it takes for the enemy to suss out their precise location.

So it basically represents infantry being hard to hit due to both the smallness of each individual soldier and them actively trying to seek cover, minimize their profile, and pop smoke grenades to screen themselves in both the visible spectrum and infrared (yeah, somehow I forgot that this is an option for infantry). This makes sense, especially given the fact that shields regenerate over time once the unit stops getting attacked (for all units, not just); the enemy basically starts to "lose track" of the infantry as they take advantage of the breather to better reposition themselves and such.

I wonder if there's a better name to use for this in more mundane/modern settings that lack Deflector Shields, though. Or maybe just rationalize it as a gameplay term that is justified by the use of a literal shield symbol and the word's meaning being appropriate for the given function?

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 21st 2023 at 6:23:43 PM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#414: Dec 21st 2023 at 7:30:59 PM

[up][up]Sixteen, including the variant factions (if you don't, it's twelve). It was released with eight, so obviously it's looking bigger and bigger with time, but compared to the glut of factions in Ao E 2, it can seem a bit low still.

Edited by Resileafs on Dec 21st 2023 at 10:31:06 AM

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#415: Dec 21st 2023 at 8:11:49 PM

As long as it plays well, I don't really care if it has fewer factions as 2 yet (played the hell out of AOM after all). Guess I'll grab 4 after work tomorrow, then.

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#416: Dec 22nd 2023 at 7:44:53 AM

Gates of Hell is the first Char Mission, and now we're no longer in the New Weapon Target Range. I opted for spamming MMM because the base only has 1 Vespene Geyser, and already have enough tanks for defense.

The battle really the sells the feeling of desperately trying to salvage a Klendathu-level of screwup. Dominion troops are scattered and they'll be easily wiped out if you don't rescue them soon enough. Near the end of the missions, I had three groups trying to rescue multiple drop sites at the same time. One was the main MMM army. Second was the Mercenary flight team. Third was a Lone Specter armed with a nuke. Once the final Dmoninion squad was rescued, I reached the supply cap and sent the entire army towards Warfield.

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#417: Dec 22nd 2023 at 4:12:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] FYI, rifle infantry specifically have an active camo upgrade that makes them not show up on the enemy player's UI unless they:

  • Get too close
  • Start shooting
  • In sight range of enemy infantry with stealth detection upgrade
  • Get hit by an EMP

You can still visually see them yourself just fine, you just can't designate them as an attack target for your units because they don't get a UI identification icon.

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#418: Dec 22nd 2023 at 5:38:05 PM

Re:Havens Fall

That mission never felt right for me. One it's more fun than Safe Haven, and 2 you're still trying to save colonists from the Zerg. Why is this mission treating it like you're murdering colonists?

And where is the Protoss? For that matter, where is the Zerg in Safe Haven? These 2 were really disjointed.

RE: Supernova

The cheese strat still works. Not so on Brutal where they park an additional Observer over the final objective, but hey.

And you can drop a MULE on top of the relics for a quick grab. Just skirt a banshee into sight range and yolo.

RE:Gates of Hell

If you are in trouble you can drop a MULE next to a squad. They'll likely get eaten immediately but hey you get the achievement for "saving" them.

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#419: Dec 22nd 2023 at 6:48:06 PM

@Haven. Didn't Raynor tell the Selendis to stand down and let him do the deed because "it's a Terran business." I imagine they just stand in a distance and watching in case Raynor fails.

@Supernova. Oh yeah, the Comsat + MULE drop. Then it is reasonable to 100% that mission without losing a building.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Dec 22nd 2023 at 6:56:12 AM

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#420: Dec 23rd 2023 at 3:47:32 AM

[up][up][up] Wait, how does that even work? Active camo is supposed to make the subject practically invisible by way of blending into the surrounding environment, so the enemy shouldn't be able to notice that the infantry in question are, well, infantry.

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#421: Dec 23rd 2023 at 7:49:14 AM

Finished both Belly of the Beast and Shatter the Sky. Not much to say about Belly of the Beast. It's a linear Hero mission, except that the giant Queen can kill a Marine in one hit.

Shatter the Sky is my preferred mission. Like Gates of Hell, it's a good idea to have both an air force and a ground force because one Zerg base has heavy air defense while the other has heavy ground defense. Furthermore, there is also a 25 minute achievement, so I ended up attacking the last 2 bases at the same time.

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#422: Dec 23rd 2023 at 8:49:29 AM

I do wish the "Shatter the Sky" version of "All In" had that Queen from "Belly of the Beast" appear to balance the Leviathan's appearance in the Belly of the Beast variant's.

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#423: Dec 23rd 2023 at 8:59:24 AM

I've always wondered if that queen wasn't a special breed or something. It was just a lore accurate one, and no different than the hundreds of others you mow down when you're playing a macro mission where units aren't to scale.

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#424: Dec 23rd 2023 at 9:18:45 AM

(since the topic is starcraft 2)

I've never had much of a desire to play Starcraft 2 for some reason,there's something about it that does'nt appeal to me like Starcraft 1 and broodwar did

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 23rd 2023 at 5:18:54 PM

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#425: Dec 23rd 2023 at 9:37:38 AM

I think it wins by the sheer virtue of not requiring godly micro just to move your army from point A to point B

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