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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#151: Jul 20th 2023 at 10:32:39 PM

Yeah, Vindicated by Cable kinda covers both actual cable and streaming these days.

Oissu!
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#152: Jul 20th 2023 at 10:36:26 PM

It certainly doesnt say so in the description. You are right though. But just to be sure I proposed it anyway.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
kewl123 Since: Jul, 2023
#153: Jul 21st 2023 at 5:04:13 AM

dreamworks usually doesn't let their IP's die out, plus the movie is doing great on iTunes.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#154: Jul 21st 2023 at 5:15:29 AM

> The movie flopped. Its not getting a sequel or anything like that. A show maybe, but that's it.

It won't even get a show if they don't even want to think about a sequel,and honestly I dont think there's much of a demand of a continuation in the form of a TV show

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#155: Jul 21st 2023 at 6:09:33 AM

dreamworks usually doesn't let their IP's die out, plus the movie is doing great on iTunes.

...Wait, really?

(*looks up movies in iTunes Store*)

Oh, look at that. It's literally #5 in the Top Movies Chart, right before GOTG 3, TF: ROTB, the Mario Movie, and…The Flash. (Boo on that last one.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:57:22 PM

LucienRen Since: Jan, 2023
#156: Jul 21st 2023 at 10:41:33 AM

After the movie's release, I assumed the twist represented a case of "even shippers have standards", but since the ship is still popular, I think I was wrong.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#157: Jul 21st 2023 at 10:52:35 AM

[up] A brief glance at some fic descriptions for some of them seem to be going for Fanon Discontinuity on that (which would probably be emboldened by recent Darren Webb animatics). And, that's charitably ignoring the other conclusions....

[up]X3: I feel like the likehood of this getting a television series can go either way. DreamWorks handed off shows for Abominable, Mr. Peabody and Sherman, Turbo and Home after all, and some of those films weren't mega hits for the company.

I suppose it depends on whether Universal would be interested in more streaming originals from DW. The Netflix deal helped push DW to make so many cartoons in the previous decade, but they've branched off also produce stuff for Apple TV and Amazon.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 22nd 2023 at 1:20:32 PM

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#158: Jul 21st 2023 at 11:54:40 AM

On shipping: I don't care who wins, I just want Connor to lose.

Shoobedobah Anon Zilla from Guess Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#159: Jul 21st 2023 at 7:02:33 PM

[up][up] I unfortunately wouldn't be THAT shocked if some people on the internet genuinely think such a huge age gap is okay, but most Ruby/Chelsea fanfics are definitely going for the "Chelsea really IS Nerissa's daughter" angle, which I'm cool with. Alternate universe after all.

If we do get some sort of TV series, I hope the theory of Chelsea being Real After All honestly comes true.

Edited by Shoobedobah on Jul 21st 2023 at 10:03:24 AM

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#160: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:15:41 AM

[up]

You must be new to anime and manga where age gaps of that nature are trivially common(and a LOT of times super weird and uncomfortable) .

(I already put my two cents some pages back and approve of those "Chelsea IS Narissa's daughter" fix fics)

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#161: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:37:00 AM

Confession time, I dont mind age gaps... as long as the younger lover is 20+ already. Other than that EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW. Also it being common in anime doesnt mean its okay, not saying you implied that tho.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:42:12 AM

And Ruby isn't 20+. She's a teenage Kraken — it's right there in the title.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#163: Jul 22nd 2023 at 10:49:26 AM

Why are you telling this to me, I know that. That's why I think this is GROSS.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#164: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:02:01 AM

[up]M84 is just adding to the point you brought up, not "telling you something you already know."

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:04:08 AM

Yeah, that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166: Jul 22nd 2023 at 2:53:05 PM

@Aegis P

I don't mind them either as long as the circumstances make it work(intentional values dissonance due time period, characters are of legal age and all parties agree and consent, there is no "Usagi Dropping", some fourth thing I'm probably missing). Here it would work if Chelsea was in some kind of stasis or "deep slumber", but her having lived those years does put it into eyebrow raiser territory.

Edited by doomrider7 on Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:53:56 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#167: Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:15:19 PM

I guess that could work too, but still Ruby is still a teenager here so at least for me its a nono. Oh and if they did NOOOOOOOOOT meet when the younger one was a minor. That's another good clause.

EDIT: Oops forgot the NOT there now I feel like a creep.

Edited by AegisP on Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:17:27 AM

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#168: Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:22:03 PM

Why are you only referring anime?. Don't you remember Angel/Buffy or Spike/Buffy?.

And just a reminder, Angel and Buffy had sex when she was a minor.

Edited by Edward45 on Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:31:33 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#169: Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:31:26 PM

Dont look at me, tell that to doomrider. And Joss Whedon turned out to be a creep so that's not okay either.

Edit: And not everyone knows Buffy The Vampire slayer exists either.

Edited by AegisP on Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:32:20 AM

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
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#170: Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:51:00 PM

And this is why the Nerrisa plot twist doesn't work for me. Too much fandom focus on mermaid aging issue rather than dealing with the more common, real-life problem with Chelsea, which is Toxic Friend Influence. Which is already present in every single draft of the film.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#171: Jul 22nd 2023 at 8:40:29 PM

Adults manipulating teens is also a common real life problem. The lack of aging makes it much easier of course, but even without it this is a problem in real life.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#172: Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:37:45 PM

[up] Considering that Nerissa reverts back into teenage Chelsea when her Trident is destroyed and given the whole Mermaids are ageless explanation, this "Adult manipulating teenager" angle really falls flat. If she actually reverts into an adult mermaid with the teenage form being a glamour, that would have worked.

But here, all I see is a last-minute rewrite to make Agatha have zero blood on her hands and make the film pure Black-and-White Morality, completely forgetting Unfortunate Implications undertones of portraying a species as evil, manipulative, and untrustworthy.

Edited by Shadao on Jul 22nd 2023 at 9:38:03 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#173: Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:21:26 PM

I think this is a thing with Dreamworks. Their movies may be filled with action and violence but sympathetic characters must NEVER be ambiguous or ever do anything that might be seen as evil, especially killing, even when necessary or warranted. Shrek was a bit snarky and ambiguous, but KFP 2 onward this is the one rule for Dreamworks movies. The most telling example of this is Valka, in the working version she was supposed to be the villain but became pointless and redundant when the focus groups frowned on it.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
kewl123 Since: Jul, 2023
#174: Jul 23rd 2023 at 1:15:58 AM

Listening to the directors podcast on Instagram, it seems like the writers planned for Nerissa to still be mentally a teenager a la Mavis Dracula. Granted he also calls Chelsea&Ruby's friendship "nuanced" so he's a bit clueless. He also said to watch out as the movie had another twist besides marketing, and of course he was talking about the Nerissa twist as if it were some pinnacle of writing. He did say that people preffering Chelsea&Ruby to be friends was a "learning experience" so that's a 70 mil$ lesson. The switch from the original storyboards is so poorly thought of it's quite entertaining to see. Also the entire movie's worldbuilding becomes so wack in favor of a bad twist, the Krakens greatest enemy are a race of teenage girls that they kill and genocide. How does Grandma even know if Nerissa had kids? Did she monitor her or something? They'll have to pull a funny excuse for Chelsea not being Nerissa and give her a redemption arc because their friendship was the highlight of the movie. But I do wonder how late in production was the Chelsea=Nerissa change

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#175: Jul 23rd 2023 at 10:21:09 AM

[up][up][up]The "Chelsea" form seems to be the natural adult form of a mermaid. The form she takes when she wields the Trident is a One-Winged Angel form. The Trident was an Amplifier Artifact the mermaids created as an equalizer against the Krakens, so it makes sense that one of the things it does is make the mermaids the same size as their foes.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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