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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#76: Jul 4th 2023 at 11:53:13 AM

[up][up][up] Yes, but this movie does spouse all mermaids are evil and destroying them is a good idea. The Little Mermaid didnt outright say "Everyone in Ursula's species is evil."

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Kae-Leah Since: Jun, 2023
#77: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:02:17 PM

You guys all brought up some good points. There's nothing wrong with a villain being unapologetically evil, of course. My best friend, who has an awesome blog called the Princess Blog, had a different take on this movie than me because she really liked the "be careful who you trust" message, and felt like the constant redemption arcs in children's media lately could even be giving kids unrealistic expectations. After all, in real life, of course some people are just bad, period. But with all that said...I think what, like others have said, it comes off as, admittedly probably unintentionally, as a racial subtext is that both the marketing and characters' words kept saying mermaids in general were evil, even though in it was actually more like a specific individual. Some relatively minor tweaks to the script could've helped that if it was clear that the conflict was about the Mermaid Queen as an individual being an evil monarch and not with the entire species. Like, what if during her exposition, Grandmamah talked about how The Mermaid Queen was a horrible tyrant who abused even her own people? Even just saying "I know not all mermaids are evil but..." would help a bit. Considering all the evil actions in the movie were actually done by one individual, it seems especially odd that both the movie's marketing and some of the dialogue in the movie made it sound like all mermaids were evil, as opposed to "THIS mermaid is evil!".

Edited by Kae-Leah on Jul 4th 2023 at 12:08:36 PM

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#78: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:08:00 PM

Ursula was intended to be Triton’s sister, so she’s really part of the mermaid family rather than a different species altogether.

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#79: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:09:36 PM

URSULA'S CRAZY SISTER hits a different note now.

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Kae-Leah Since: Jun, 2023
#80: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:10:16 PM

[up][up] That's correct. It's canon in both the Broadway stage play and the live-action remake that she's his sister. The original animated movie is more ambiguous, as it never says she's his sister, but it still was something they intended to do in earlier drafts etc.

Edited by Kae-Leah on Jul 4th 2023 at 12:11:40 PM

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#81: Jul 4th 2023 at 12:51:29 PM

We are going too off-topic here. This is not the Disney animated films thread. Please rerail.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#82: Jul 4th 2023 at 1:42:07 PM

One good things about this movie is that its going to be the rare movie whose TV show could genuinely improve and save the overall franchise... but its done so badly I doubt there will be a TV show.

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#83: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:05:50 PM

I mean they dropped it in a packed month with advertising that turned people off and the digital release is already around the corner. I don't imagine they have a ton of investment in continuing the franchise.

Shame. I'm sure someday we'll have a giant kaiju girl story that was inspired by this in the author's youth though. [lol]

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#84: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:07:45 PM

I'm sorry this movie failed and that it's accidentally? racist Aesop turns me off from watching it in theatres at any rate. Maybe vod because I did think the art style was cute and squishy, an interesting look.

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#85: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:20:50 PM

[up] Yeah that really is the recurring complaint.

It's true that they're probably doing the Shrek-alike framing where the traditional monster is actually the good guy and the traditional cute magic creature... Isn't.

A part of the difficulty selling that though is it's kind of old hat by now. A lot of kid's media leans into Creepy Good nowadays. That's what you get for letting goths write cartoons. [lol]

Edited by ShirowShirow on Jul 4th 2023 at 9:21:17 AM

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#86: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:31:44 PM

[up]To be fair, is there anything that isn't old hat now? I know that "Everything's been done under the sun" is an old saying, but it seems more true now than ever.

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#87: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:50:55 PM

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Pretty much. It's all down to performance and presentation, which is where the film kind of flopped at as others have pointed out. It seems to be an issue of Dream Works's inability to not get out of its own way when it comes to dissing Disney.

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#88: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:04:23 PM

[up] Hey this is the only recent time they've swiped at Disney which leads into a thing I want to put in my response to [up][up]. Things ebb and flow and there is a right time for a thing to click with audiences and another this same thing will be offputting.

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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#89: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:16:32 PM

[up][up]"the traditional monster is actually the good guy and the traditional cute magic creature"

Which honestly makes the movie feel like it missed the mark because Ruby looks nothing like a dangerous monster and is arguably much more adorable and cute than the mermaids whether in small or big form.

It worked with Shrek bc while Shrek wasn't as ugly as the books or other depictions of ogres he was still fat and had gonky facial features

The Krakens should have been like Dave from Penguins od Madagascar, looking like actual cephalaopds in their true form instead of cute four legged alien girls.

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#90: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:49:05 PM

[up]Cephalopods like octopi and cuttlefish can be plenty cute and expressive on their own, more than enough for a sympathetic character, but a mainstream animated film by a major studio isn't going to do that, generally speaking. Too 'weird'.

Edited by Chortleous on Jul 4th 2023 at 5:50:05 AM

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#91: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:55:22 PM

[up]Meanwhile over at Nintendo,

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Edited by doomrider7 on Jul 4th 2023 at 7:00:35 AM

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#92: Jul 4th 2023 at 3:56:29 PM

Which is a missed opportunity for this film to do something different and original than generic schlock but eh. Maybe another studio will have weird Ugly Cute cephalopod people as the heroes.

Edited by Moroaica on Jul 4th 2023 at 3:56:52 AM

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#93: Jul 4th 2023 at 4:04:14 PM

Ironically Illumination DOES have a contract with Nintendo...

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#94: Jul 4th 2023 at 4:16:45 PM

A lot of people online are saying this movie is gonna be looked back on as some underappreciated masterpiece in ten years. Curious to see how accurate that winds up being during that time lol.

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#95: Jul 4th 2023 at 4:41:37 PM

[up]x4: I'm genuinely confused if this is supposed to be a counter argument, because the Inklings generally follow the exact same Cute Monster Girl design philosophy that the final Gillman designs have (even down to the Tentacle Hair, but some do have barnacles). The Inklings are arguably more humanoid because they even have common human skin tones by default, along with prominent noses.

As an aside, some artists that have worked on the film are posting some behind the scenes work.

  • Lutgardo Fernández's Mermaid and Mermen concept designs. On that note, I don't think we ever saw any mermen in the final movie. It could be a blink or miss aspect during Grandmamah's lore dump, but I predominately remember both sides of the Kraken and Mermaid feud were women.

  • Danny William's sculpts from 2017. One early Giant Krakken Ruby model really leans into the Creepy Good aspect.

  • Timothy Lamb's depiction of Giant Kraken Ruby and Ruby with Connor.

[up] Probably not a "masterpiece" lens (unless they're die-hard fans), but I can see it having a cult following. Audience reception has generally been pretty fine, and even critical scores are lean towards So Okay, It's Average currently.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 4th 2023 at 9:41:45 AM

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#96: Jul 4th 2023 at 5:48:59 PM

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It's more at the, "Major studios won't do cephalopod characters because too weird" and Nintendo did just that to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars(granted lots of cute monster design like you said, but it just shows it's possible).

I don't know about Vindicated by History or why Girl-Show Ghetto is being brought up with this one since that's not why it's getting thawcked so hard. I think it'll still be remembered as more of an okay film, but not quite to the level if vindication. It's not hated, but more viewed with disappointment.

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#97: Jul 4th 2023 at 6:45:15 PM

Ironically, this portrayal of mermaids being predatory monsters does fit with the traditional folklore surrounding mermaids. It's really Disney's Little Mermaid that made the image of mermaids as cute and friendly popular.

So this movie's antagonist is basically a mermaid who looks like Ariel but is more like traditional mermaids.

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#98: Jul 4th 2023 at 6:49:03 PM

Obviously both films are made by the krakens and merfolk as propaganda against each other.tongue

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#99: Jul 5th 2023 at 12:08:53 PM

[up]And the mermaid-kraken war continue into this day.

"is there anything that isn't old hat now? "

Is more "everying is old but not everything is old right now" as other said it goes into cycle when cliche got into a rest time while the new exciting thing goes old.

If anything it look we are entering the phase were old "villians for villians sake" become popular again after the whole "emotional protagonist and trauma" go old already

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#100: Jul 5th 2023 at 1:51:06 PM

[up][up][up] Eh sorta. Depends on which folklore your looking at. The merrows of Irish legend are pretty benevolent, even if the males dislike when humans try to sleep with their wives.


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