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Hello everyone!

While the tasks I've completed so far go through the review process, my next project I'll be working on is improving the Trope Launch Pad as much as possible.

Below is a list of the current ideas for changes and improvements and wanted to ask the community if I'm missing anything important or if you have suggestions or questions about things currently on the list please let me know! grin

     TLP Improvements to come 
MAIN UPDATES:
  • Disable hats/bombs & comments on discarded drafts
  • TLP History needs fixing: Bug
  • Auto-crosswick when page is launched.
  • Three day wait period before any hats or bombs can be added.
  • Last edited time visible on main listing page.
  • Send notifications to authors of drafts whenever there's a comment or change.
  • New TLP header by Willbyr
  • Expected launch time input field
  • add ability to holler TLP comments
  • Tag system. (“Needs better title”, “needs better description”, “needs examples” etc)
  • Disable launch button if any tags present
  • Add username of who launched a page under Page Info in the sidebar.
  • Show last 5 newest tropes launched on home page
  • show red links in comments. All links showing blue. (Add Customizer() function to comments)
  • increase draft description box size
  • edit locks to prevent duplicates and conflicts.
  • ^Pop up when clicking launch a trope draft.
  • Mods able to remove hats & bombs.
  • Bookmark button when viewing individual TLP drafts
  • Rename "YKTTW Archive" to "Trope Launch Pad Archive" on discussion pages
  • Fix edit time glitch ("last edited by" goes based on last comment and not last edit)
  • Status or special notes field: Wish
  • Fix TLP search to first use titles then descriptions. Wish, Bug
  • Mods and Authors will be able to set drafts to “up for grabs” which will display on the main page
  • Be able to transfer ownership to someone else: Thread
  • Bombs need a reason and then also display those reasons below the trope. Wish, Wish
  • Alter pop up message when clicking bomb: Wish
  • Show that you’ve hatted or bombed a draft. Wish
  • Be unable to hat your own TLP. Wish
  • Change “Launch a New Trope” button text to “Create Trope Draft For Review” or “Create New Trope Draft”.
  • Remove your hat or bomb on a TLP draft without switching to the other. Wish
  • Disable launch button for anyone but mods and authors
  • Change “add hat” to “Launch Ready!” and “discard” to “Not Ready” or “Don’t Launch” and Hat icon changed to Rocket.
  • Laconic field, as well as title and description, will be mandatory for new drafts submissions. Wish
  • Auto launch laconic page Wish
  • Be able to launch other page types via the TLP
  • TLP History added to drop-down.
  • Multiple sections and/or filters for page types
  • make it so that leaving a comment on a draft does not reset the counter on "last edited by" Bug, Bug
  • idea Your next great idea! idea

LOW PRIORITY:

  • Search function for discards Wish
  • 20+ blank pages at end of pagination
  • main/tropelaunchpad redirect to TLP
  • “folders open” setting not working for TLP
  • link to created page on draft when it’s launched
  • TLP history of bombs/hats put in order
  • Bombs on night vision too dark red. Wish
  • Fix backslash issue in TLP drafts. (Every time you save a draft with backslashes, the number of backslashes gets cut in half, rounded down.)
  • Mods able to Thump / delete comments.
     TLP related changes awaiting review 
  • Adds Preview functionality & image upload button to drafts and comments (plus emoji support/bar).

    Current Projects In Development: 

    Current Pictures of project 
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Edited by kory on Feb 11th 2025 at 6:36:46 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#301: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:17:53 AM

Excessive hats are not as bad as excessive bombs but they can still be very problematic. People only tend to worry about the drafts that are obviously not good (and thus they tend to be bomb-bait), but personally I have much more concern over the drafts that attract hats for superficial reasons despite being nowhere near ready due to issues of definition or tropeworthiness. If people weren't able to just pile on 20+ hats to a draft that is not ready to launch, many TLP issues would be minimized or resolved because people wouldn't just fixate on the hat count.

Really, people need to think more about the sort of drafts that actually launch and the problems they often have because of the current set up.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:19:12 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#302: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:26:49 AM

Implementing a cap to how divergent two scores can be isn't going to make a difference to people thinking it's ready or not.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#303: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:28:56 AM

But it would make it much easier to stop such drafts from being launched when they're not ready. 5 hats is much less tricky to overcome than 20+, especially if the draft looks superficially ready to go.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#304: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:29:35 AM

"improper hatting"

"drafts that attract hats for superficial reasons ... hats to a draft that is not ready"

Sounds like an own more pressing issue that would require understanding why people hat improperly in the first place, most likely because they treat hats as a like button.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#305: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:31:55 AM

Which I know we already have measures in place for, but that doesn't prevent the hats that come from people seeing a long description and multiple folders and assuming it's good to go without looking deeper into it. That is the issue I'm worried about here. Not hats being used as a "like" button — hats on drafts that people believe to be ready simply because they look ready on the surface.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:32:30 PM

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#306: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:32:58 AM

We already discussed that at length multiple times. I don't know what can do about that as it's a cultural issue besides modifying the add hat button to something like "Ready to launch" instead of add a hat.

Also, yeah drafts that looks superficially good attract hats because most people don't participate in debates that happen in the comment section when people raise concerns about the draft.

Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:34:46 PM

Macron's notes
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#307: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:34:17 AM

Even that wouldn't fix the issue. People do think these drafts are ready to launch because they flat out ignore any discussions in the comments — that's the problem.

Edit: I saw you edited your post to address this exact thing so mine seems a bit weird now, but...

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:35:03 PM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#308: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:35:21 AM

If the intent is to make improper hatting/bombing actually impossible, perhaps just disable it altogether except for tropers with good standing in TLP.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#309: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:37:07 AM

That would be a nightmare. I'm not looking to render it "impossible", such a thing is in and of itself impossible — I'm just saying that having a cap on the hats will prevent people from just looking at the hat count and assuming the draft is good to be launched. They'd actually have to go down to the comments to express such a thing and may end up reading any debates.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#310: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:41:50 AM

What I'm afraid what will happen in this scenario, either people just won't bother commenting, will comment how they like/dislike the draft without elaborating, or will keep complaining how the hat/draft system isn't intuitive.

On the hindsight, the cap is similar to the old content policy system where a maximum of 3 "angels" or "devilheads" was considered a consensus.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#311: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:44:33 AM

I mean, if they don't comment they don't comment. If they post without elaborating, it helps us to understand their psychology. If they find it unintuitive, well... that's sort of on them at that point. We have no idea how these things will shake out but I cannot imagine it making the problem worse.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:45:01 PM

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kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#312: Aug 6th 2023 at 11:46:12 AM

Okay I think there’s already plenty of changes coming to hats and bombs. There will be a 3 day wait, the names will be changed, reasons will be required and a ‘like’ system will be added to differentiate liking a draft and saying it’s ready.

If after these changes there’s still a big problem, then we can revisit adding a cap.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#313: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:33:52 PM

As I said before, I am fine with moving forward with the rest of the changes and revisiting capping if we still have issues with improper hatting and bombing.


As for having a separate like section (I didn't say anything about it before), I don't see the benefit but sure I guess.

Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 6th 2023 at 3:34:34 PM

Macron's notes
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#314: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:48:04 PM

I guess a like could serve as an easy way to signal "I think this could be launched with more work".

kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#315: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:56:09 PM

Yes and positive feedback will encourage people to put more work into their drafts if they know people like it. As well as serve as a clear distinction from ‘hatting’ since most people seem to use it as the current ‘like’ button.

Edited by kory on Aug 6th 2023 at 1:00:13 AM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#316: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:58:16 PM

And if the draft has a lot of likes but little hats, the sponsor can be offered to put the draft U4G for someone else to finish it.

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 6th 2023 at 10:58:26 PM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#317: Aug 6th 2023 at 1:46:54 PM

Idea, Having a soft cap on votes, after which you have to give a reason why you want to add another vote, because you're adding some info. Helps with bombs, anyway, since it's a "If this changes, I'll hat."

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#318: Aug 6th 2023 at 1:49:20 PM

What do you mean add "another" vote?

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#319: Aug 6th 2023 at 1:50:19 PM

I believe it means "no reason needed for hat-bombs until 5th"

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 6th 2023 at 11:50:27 AM

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#320: Aug 6th 2023 at 1:57:22 PM

Eh, not really feeling that.

kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#321: Aug 6th 2023 at 3:02:05 PM

The OP has over 40 changes and as of now I plan to do every single one. Feel free to keep sharing ideas, but we should probably wait until after these go live to reassess what’s needed or what would help going forward.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#322: Aug 6th 2023 at 3:08:24 PM

I've noticed timestamps in TLP comments are relative, like "yesterday" or "X hours ago". Wouldn't it make more sense to use proper dates like rest of the site.

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kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#323: Aug 6th 2023 at 3:13:17 PM

I was actually looking at the code for this on Friday. That’s a custom function that when the date is less than 2 days old it gives custom responses by the minute, the hour and then ‘yesterday’ then changes to normal. I’ve seen something similar in a lot of forums, although the “yesterday” could probably be removed.

And I didn’t realize this was specific to the TLP comments. No other comment sections show dates like this?

Edited by kory on Aug 6th 2023 at 3:14:00 AM

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Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#324: Aug 6th 2023 at 4:06:51 PM

I always thought that there should be separate buttons for "don't launch now" and "this needs to be discarded".

For every low there is a high.
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#325: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:23:39 PM

[up]I think allowing a "don't launch now" button to anybody but the sponsor would be a nightmare for spammers.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

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The TLP is getting the ability to launch other pages besides tropes so we want the name to be more generalized. Please do not add new options to the crowner.

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