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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1376: Feb 6th 2025 at 12:58:44 PM

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<.<

>.>

Juri's the First person Mai beats in her story mode

I love it

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Feb 6th 2025 at 12:58:52 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1377: Feb 6th 2025 at 1:08:09 PM

So I hear that Mai and Chun Li never actually meet.

I'm legitimately surprised at that. After so many years of that meta rivalry, you finally have these two in the same game, and Mai's story never brings her anywhere near Chun Li at all? Capcom may be screwing with us a bit.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1378: Feb 6th 2025 at 1:11:48 PM

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They knew they'd never be able to get away with the iconic Boob press

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1379: Feb 6th 2025 at 1:19:28 PM

But they did do it.

Mai does it with Juri instead in an imagine spot.

Hell, Juri has the kicking theme just like Chun Li, but that's all they have in common. It really feels like Capcom just decided to troll the hell out of everyone with this.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1380: Feb 6th 2025 at 2:04:55 PM

Honestly, if any SNK character ought to be a rival for Juri it’s Kim Kaphwan.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2025 at 2:05:16 AM

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
#1381: Feb 6th 2025 at 3:06:08 PM

[up]Because they both use Taekwondo? I can see that. Kim would probably get on her nerves with all his "justice" talk and lecturing though.

As for Mai and Chun Li, they have nothing in common, so I'm not surprised that Capcom didn't include her in Mai's story mode. Had it been Blue Mary? Sure, she and Chun Li are both cops. Mai is just a glorified fanservice extra.

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#1382: Feb 6th 2025 at 3:06:24 PM

If they are leaning on the crazy side, Yamazaki is right there.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1383: Feb 6th 2025 at 3:11:20 PM

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I mean, they're only the most iconic female characters of their respective games.

They both appeared in the second game of their respective series, and are the first female fighters of Street Fighter and Fatal Fury respectively.

So yeah, nothing in common in universe, but as I said, there's that meta rivalry, which they'd acknowledged in other crossover games (and Chun-Li is going to appear in Mark of the Wolves too, alongside Ken).

So it's not like there's nothing. I just find it odd that Capcom wouldn't acknowledge it at all.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1384: Feb 6th 2025 at 3:57:41 PM

Because they both use Taekwondo?

That and they're kind of moral and personality opposites of one another.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2025 at 3:57:46 AM

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#1385: Feb 6th 2025 at 5:29:51 PM

Even in World Tour Mai doesn't interact w/ Chun-Li. She does interact w/ Kimberly though in her 2nd quest to compare Shiranui-ryu and Bushinryu (in Akuma's backyard no less) and they both part on friendly terms.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1386: Feb 6th 2025 at 5:41:39 PM

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Its basically an opposites attract scenario, you have two wildly different but big personalities

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MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
#1387: Feb 6th 2025 at 5:54:09 PM

I can't believe that Juri lost to Mai. In Fatal Fury's canon, Mai can't even measure up to Andy. Yet, she managed to defeat Juri??

That'd be like Koei Tecmo having either Kasumi, or Hayabusa, lose to Mai in DOA5 Last Round. There's just no way it'd ever happen. I'm gonna guess whoever wrote Mai's story mode in SF6 is either unfamiliar with FF's canon, or they chose to disregard it.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1388: Feb 6th 2025 at 5:56:52 PM

I mean- it's Mai's story mode, and she's a guest star character. Doesn't seem that odd to me to get a little extra shilling.

Will Mai in Street Fighter even be canon in the next game?

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
#1389: Feb 6th 2025 at 6:06:34 PM

Maybe? I mean, Ken and Chun Li are gonna be guests in City of the Wolves, so both crossovers might be canonized. Who knows?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1390: Feb 6th 2025 at 6:52:14 PM

The chances of a crossover power leveling anyone is always going to be low, let alone a Street Fighter / Fatal Fury crossover - two series already deeply uninterested in power leveling in a general sense.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1391: Feb 6th 2025 at 6:52:38 PM

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Mai and Andy just specialize in two separate styles of the same school

Andy is better at the Koppouken while Mai is the better at Ninjitsu arts that's pretty much always been their dynamic

I mean, Andy tells himself not underestimate Mary cause she might be as tough as Mai.

so I don't get where your coming with the Mai can't beat Juri thing

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#1392: Feb 6th 2025 at 7:26:27 PM

It makes more sense if you just disregard the OVA feats.

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
#1393: Feb 6th 2025 at 7:26:56 PM

[up][up]Canonically, Mai cannot measure up to either of the Bogard brothers and Andy is established as the weaker of the two because he's never been able to defeat Terry. By Mark of the Wolves, Andy had finally given up and conceded that Terry's skill is superior to his.

Between Andy and Mai, he's canonically superior to her. That's why her grandfather chose Andy as successor to the Shiranui school, rather than her. Mai has never been able to defeat him.

Mai barely even measures up to Yuri and she's a goofball. Fun fact: Prior to the KOF '99 tournament, Mai fought Yuri Sakazaki to earn a spot on King's team. King got fed up with both of them and simply declared it a draw to spare herself the headache.

And when Mai challenged King herself in KOF XIII (their pre-match dialogue), King's response basically amounted to "yeah, right".

All of that is to say, Mai defeating someone of Juri's caliber is a stretch given her track record.

Edited by MiinU on Feb 6th 2025 at 7:27:45 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#1394: Feb 6th 2025 at 8:29:41 PM

These are fighting games. Isn't it kinda baked into the genre that any of these characters could beat each other under the right circumstances?

But if you want a lore reason, Juri had to switch out her artificial eye that acts as her source of power after she was bodied by Bison the first time. Now she's stuck using the weaker prototype version of the Feng Shui Engine.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1395: Feb 6th 2025 at 9:44:40 PM

These are fighting games. Isn't it kinda baked into the genre that any of these characters could beat each other under the right circumstances?

Yes. Pretty bluntly yes, at that. It's not just baked in the genre, in most fighting games it's baked into the lore as well. You can pretty much always call shenanigans on "X character is canonically lower scaled" because these characters are always canonically fighting each other and beating each other.

What passes for Street Fighter's scaling can basically be summed up as "Shin Akuma & Oro & Technically Gen > Bison & Sometimes Ryu > Everyone Else and Usually Ryu > Dan." Anything more specific isn't practical.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2025 at 9:45:40 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1396: Feb 6th 2025 at 9:46:25 PM

I think Sean might be even lower than Dan, but besides that, that list seems accurate.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1397: Feb 6th 2025 at 9:55:26 PM

To give a good example of this:

Bison in his strongest power ever seen was canonically finished off by Ryu in V. During this period (and given the story, it would've had to have been soon after this, not before it) Ryu was canonically defeated by Alex (for the first time of several, iirc), who was also around this time canonically defeated by Abigail, who is a bit goon in the Mad Gear gang and who could've been beaten by any or every hero in the first Final Fight, but who also lost to Poison around that time, who was an even lower ranked bit goon in Mad Gear...

And so on and so forth. There's some characters who have a clear power relationship to other specific characters (IE, Sakura is probably still less powerful than Ryu, Mika is probably less powerful than Zangief, Sagat and Ken are probably still in Ryu's ballpark, etc...) but that has never stopped them from being able to fight other strong characters in the series so even that isn't a great indicator of anything.

In short: one should always assume that the cast of any given fighting game are largely in the same ball-park as one another unless given an especially clear and consistent plot reason to do so.

There's a case to be made that there's slightly more rationale to apply that to Fatal Fury, since the early days of the series were much more blatantly classic-shounen-esque, but even that's tenuous because the series hasn't been interested in being that way in decades, arguably even before Mark of the Wolves. The questions "is Mai intended to be perceived as weaker than Terry in Fatal Fury 2" and "is Mai intended to be perceived as weaker in the upcoming game" likely have entirely different answers. And that's before getting into the quagmire that is KOF.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2025 at 10:13:20 AM

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#1398: Feb 6th 2025 at 10:08:17 PM

Ultimately like in every other fiction, power levels in fighting games are just mere guidelines, not hard and fast laws of physics and are often bent and broken depending on circumstances or the whims of a given creative.

[up]And speaking of KOF, Rugal is canonically supposed to be weaker than Orochi, Goenitz and even Igniz yet he's a much tougher boss fight than the 1st 2 of them in the games he appears in, and is harder to beat than Igniz in KOF 2002 Unlimited, and is so beloved by the fanbase he keeps appearing in every Dream Match and is seen as Akuma's counterpart in Capcom vs SNK. In Rugal's case there may also be Popularity Power in play. And on the flipside, the hardest SNK Boss is arguably Magaki due to how cheap he is and he's just a mere lackey to the Ash Saga's Big Bad Saiki and ultimately dies via a sucker punch.

Edited by KRider on Feb 6th 2025 at 10:13:44 AM

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#1399: Feb 6th 2025 at 10:23:31 PM

[up][up] In the case of Alex, wasn't it the other way around? Alex beats gill and in Third Strike, he loses to Ryu and so leaves his home to train for the future rematch.

I hope they remember that if Alex comes to 6

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#1400: Feb 6th 2025 at 10:29:01 PM

He beats an exact copy of Alpha Ryu in his SFV character story. Not exactly SFV Ryu, my mistake, but even so that version of Ryu is the one who defeated Alpha-era Bison, which is another one of those "Bison at one of his strongest" deals.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2025 at 10:35:36 AM


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