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This trope recently had a name change from Belly of the Whale, and while that might have cleared up some initial confusion about it being about being literally swallowed by giant animals, it also seems to have the effect of a lot of uses being just any case of the moment a character who refuses the call decides or is forced not to. This use doesn't seem tropeworthy because the hero eventually deciding/being forced to accept the Call to Adventure is already implied in Refusal of the Call, since if they kept refusing forever there would be no story (with subsets of how it happens expressed in tropes like The Call Knows Where You Live). This usage is despite the page for Can't Refuse the Call Anymore describing it as the stage of The Hero's Journey where the hero is symbolically killed and reborn, marking their full immersion into the heroic world and them being transformed.

If you do take the definition as requiring a symbolic death and rebirth, this could lead to confusion with Darkest Hour, which is also cited on its page as matching with the death phase of The Hero's Journey (and especially overlaps with how the page for The Hero's Journey says the death phase often means the moment of greatest despair or the hero losing loved ones in modern works). The page for Darkest Hour says "compare Can't Refuse the Call Anymore, the first of the dark hours", implying that they are distinguished by Can't Refuse the Call Anymore happening early in the story (which presumably inspired the name change, to show it happens relatively early as a mark of being fully immersed in the Call to Adventure), but there is no clear guideline to how late in the story a symbolic hero death has to happen for it to count as Darkest Hour rather than Can't Refuse the Call Anymore.

Suggestions (would love to have more added here): Make a clear definition separating it from Darkest Hour and excluding the examples that are just "accepting the Call to Adventure", perhaps making clear a double requirement that there has to be a symbolic death and it has to be relatively early in the story and mark the moment where the hero can't turn back from their journey. Alternatively it could just be renamed to something like Hero's Symbolic Death and be repurposed to be any case of symbolic death as a phase in The Hero's Journey, no matter where it happens in the story and even if it happens during a Darkest Hour. My preferred option would be to split it into two tropes, one which is a generic symbolic death and rebirth trope and one which specifically refers to the use of it early in the story as a time where you can't refuse the call, though I'm very open for suggestions.

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    Character refuses the Call to Adventure but is forced to accept it or changes their mind, no symbolic death involved: 53 (52%) 

  1. Call to Adventure: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The Chosen One can no longer ignore their destiny.
  2. Refusal of the Call: See also: Achilles in His Tent, "Leave Your Quest" Test, Refreshingly Normal Life-Choice and The Drag-Along. Contrast Adventure Rebuff and Refused by the Call, where the call refuses you, We Are Not Going Through That Again which takes place at the end of a story where the heroes refuse to repeat their adventure when confronted with the possibility, and Can't Refuse the Call Anymore, when circumstances force the hero to accept the call. Not to be confused with Didn't Want an Adventure. This page makes it clear how redundant this definition of Can't Refuse the Call Anymore is, because Refusal of the Call already has contained in it the assumption that the hero will eventually not be able/willing to refuse anymore and go on the adventure
  3. The New Albion Radio Hour: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Constance finally has to choose a side in the war
  4. Avataro Sentai Donbrothers Donbrothers: The Zenkaigers were a team of one humans and four kikainoids, who willingly Jumped at the Call to fight against the Tozitend Dynasty. In contrast the Donbrothers are a team of two Ambiguously Human men and four humans, who are more or less being forced to take part in the fight against the Nōto Layer.
  5. BoxxyQuest: The Shifted Spires: Refusal of the Call: In the beginning, he turns down the chance to join Catie's party, saying he promised to keep the other tourists safe.
  6. Catch Your Breath: Heroic Neutral: At the beginning of the story, Kei doesn't have any particular interest in fighting for the good of Konoha. Instead, she begins the process of becoming a ninja for the express purpose of protecting her younger brother and her friends. Notably, she never truly leaves this mindset, instead choosing to expand the ring of people she cares for one person at a time. She tends to do her job, get paid, and go home in some form or another, and shinobi are generally not moral exemplars at the best of times. On the other hand, she's willing to fight to the death for those she's close to, who do tend to have heroic streaks.
    • Retreats back into this mode during Ocean Stars Falling, due to not really being invested in the overall conflict between pirates and the World Government. She really, really just wants to go home, but unfortunately Can't Refuse the Call Anymore is in full effect.
  7. Critical Role: Wildemount Campaign: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The Mighty Nein has gone out of their way to avoid committing to any greater calling beyond their own personal goals, only taking mercenary work when they need the cash and allowing the machinations of the world at large to go unaddressed. Whatever plans are put into motion as a result of their actions elicits no intervention on their part, and is often not even taken into consideration. They might have continued to do so had they not stolen the Dodecahedron early on in the campaign. They then proceeded to carry the artifact around the world, using it without any real understanding of its purpose, all while fully aware that there would be people coming after it, and still they refused to pick a side in the conflict happening around them. Only Caduceus is aware that the Nein has a greater destiny ahead of them and, by returning the Dodecahedron to the Kryn Dynasty and being named heroes of Xhorhas, the Nein are on a collision course with that destiny, whether they like it or not.
  8. Deltarune: Susie: Refusal of the Call: In Chapter 1, she wants nothing to do with Ralsei's prophecy about being a legendary hero. She only goes along with him and Kris because it's her only chance to get home. Eventually she softens and comes to accept the call at the end of the chapter.
  9. Kamen Rider Dragon Knight: Sympathy for the Devil: Despite his grudge against Adam, he can’t help but wonder if his betrayal was due the fact that being stuck as a Kamen Rider meant his Advent Deck would always alert him to monster attacks making him unable to ignore them. He even says that while Adam was a good fighter, he wasn’t ready to make it his life.
  10. Son Of The Black Sword: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: by Destroyer, Thera has reluctantly accepted her place as leader of the faithful refugees.
  11. Starlink: Battle for Atlas: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: He wanted to just settle down and dig for Electum. The Awakening made him question his choice for decades, until finally being pushed by Shaid to help them fight back. He helps the crew earn enough money to upgrade the Equinox, then sticks around to teach everyone enough to keep them alive.
  12. Mr. Love: Queen's Choice: * Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence: Of Asskicking Leads to Leadership Rank Up variant. Throughout the course of Season 1, to save the life of The Heroine from The Black Queen, Victor has grown and utilized his Time Master and Time Travel EVOL powers to the point of defying the laws of time, space, and universes. The Time Administration Bureau send Moderators to warn him many times that if he wants to stay in the same timeline as The White Queen (Heroine), he would have stay in his intended place, otherwise they will “force scout” him to serve the TAB. Then the last straw was drawn when he showed up Taking the Bullet for The Heroine, who, intended to take that bullet for a Evolver civilian who was suppose to die in their timeline. The TAB issued Victor to leave the timeline by the end of S1 Chapter 34 to their place to pay up his due by providing his service of overseeing the entire multiverse. Though this calling seems cool, and Victor willingly takes it eventually, Victor understands this is the price he has to pay for wanting both The Heroine and himself to live happily ever after.
  13. Mr. Love: Queen's Choice: * Guardian of the Multiverse: Highest ranked officials of the administration are assigned to this. The only person currently known in this position is Victor. No, he doesn’t like this job one bit. But he knew he has to take it.
  14. Namesake: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: She tried to leave the Rippers and her messy life behind, but Banshee found her and urged her to help saving the universe. Bird is not thrilled.
  15. The New Albion Radio Hour: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Constance really has to choose a side in the war.
  16. The Reincarnated Vampire Just Wants To Enjoy Her New Life: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: In the aftermath of dealing with evil-vampire Bolthorn, as she's being mobbed by the survivors, she comes to the conclusion that she can no longer proclaim she's not the spiritual successor to "Saint" Scarlet.
  17. The Walking Dead (2010): Greene Family and Friends: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The destruction of the farm leads them to accept the new state of the world and follow Rick's group to survive. Now the destruction of someone's home as a forcing to accept the call could be read as a symbolic death but I'm not including that because it's already covered by The Call Knows Where You Live.
  18. The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Initially quite hesitant to join Lyngel's campaign against the demons, he relents when he realizes he doesn't have a choice, if he wants to survive. King Lyngel bowing his head to the ground and apologizing for summoning heroes without consent is what finally sways him.
  19. True Potential Krigakure: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: During the Shimagame-arc, he resolves to return to Kiri, which he presumably does after the Kumo-Invasion.
  20. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - Ouroboros: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: When they first become Ouroboros, they decide to go their separate ways and return to their respective colonies. Said colonies treating them as enemies forces them to reunite and head for Swordmarch.
  21. Adventures In Aurora: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Ossalir has a choice to get involved with the plot, but decides to go his own way. Arkham is unsure at first, but the attack on his temple changes his mind. He badgers Ossalir into accepting it later when the two of them meet finally.
  22. Cinders and Ashes: the Chronicles of Kamen Rider Dante: Call to Adventure: Like with most modern Kamen Riders, Hoshi obtains his Rider powers and chooses to fight as Dante.
    • Refusal of the Call: He tried to ignore his drafting into the war and tried to run to Akihabara in the second chapter.
    • Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: However, during an encounter with Blitz and Yuuya, Hoshi ends up entering the battle to save Blitz's life, only to get injured and eventually coming across Mamika and Alicetaria. Afterwards, he accepted his role as Kamen Rider Dante.
  23. Got The Baby Blues: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The alternate Lance can't ignore not being the Blue Paladin any longer. Especially when his universe Paladins and canonish verse team up to get him.
  24. Keys to the Kingdom (Kingdom Hearts): The fic goes to great lengths to explore his personality as presented in canon, notably taking notice of his All-Loving Hero traits and how throughout the games, he Can't Refuse the Call Anymore and is The Chosen One. The story showcases how these events serve to boil over; Sora is just a teenager who has been thrown into one dangerous situation after another, each escalating as Master Xehanort's plans continue to come to fruition; while canon brushed off Sora potentially becoming Master Xehanort's vessel, this story showcases how that process actually happening tears Sora's psychology apart and brings these issues to the surface. Sora may be an All-Loving Hero...towards other people, we've never seen how he views himself. As it turns out, Sora is full of deep self-loathing partly because he keeps putting the needs of others before his own, and having to deal with ever-worsening crisis's did not help, and was why he refused to divulge that Xehanort was taking him over.
    • At the same time, the fact that Sora is very capable of caring about other people is also highlighted; the fact that despite his degrading mental state, he still strived to help others in every world, whether they were strangers or people he met in previous adventures, and never truly desired to hurt his friends (even the maiming of Riku is clearly shown to be an accident), compared to the sociopathic Xehanort who actively desires to destroy every world, and is the root cause of much of Sora's current misery. His friends are primarily motivated to help him, and will always care about him no matter what drama or suffering they undergo. Note that said character, Sora, is listed in another entry here where the trope is used to mean symbolic death, but in this context it just seems to be referring to how he has no choice but to go on his adventure
  25. The Eternal Crown: Jaune wants no part of Ozma's goals. He's a goddess-fearing adherent of the Eternity Queen's faith, and has no reason to doubt she's a glorious ruler besides the testimony of her evil enemy. Though Ozma urges him to rebel, and the Chosen search for him, the whole issue is a non-starter as far as he's concerned, and all he wants is to live his life without the Dark Lord's feud screwing things up for him. Unfortunately, Ozma exposes him so completely that there's no possible way for him to escape the conflict.
  26. The Courier (2021): Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: After spending most of the film looking forward to the day he could stop working for MI-6, Wynne is finally allowed to return to his normal life... only to realize that, with his friend and potentially the world in danger, he cannot bring himself to quit quite yet.
  27. The Force Awakens: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Rey has let go of her past and accepted that her family is never coming for her, and seeks out Luke to further her training. This example is part of a larger The Hero's Journey entry.
  28. The Pirate: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Despite being an excellent singer and dancer, Manuela repeatedly turns down Serafin's offer to join his troupe since she thinks she'd only be humiliating herself. Ultimately she puts on an act in front of the entire town in order to prove Serafin's innocence. The movie ends with her and Serafin performing "Be A Clown" in full clown makeup and costumes.
  29. Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Character stops refusing the call and accepts life as The Hero.
  30. Bodacious Space Pirates: Spiritual Rebirth: Marika has decided to become the Bentenmaru's captain and live her life as a Space Pirates. Part of a larger The Hero's Journey entry rather than its own trope.
  31. Onslaught Cycle: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: After refusing to return to Otaria with Akroma in Legions, Ixidor is forcibly hauled back to the world by Kamahl in Scourge.
  32. Slaves of the Abyss: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: In the beginning you are given the opportunity to leave Kallamehr for your adventure, or stay in the city behind the safety of its walls. If you chose the latter, the book will throw several hints and chances at you to leave the city as soon as possible. And if you still stubbornly insists on staying behind, you are then treated to a Time Skip where Kallamehr gets destroyed, and you are among the casualties.
  33. This Is Unforgivable!: Zig Zagged: Yoshio realizes vengeance against Oda isn't in the cards for him, so he does his best to get over the tragedy... until Oda sets his sights on the new village he's settled down in. Realizing he can't let Oda continue his acts of cruelty, he vows to both avenge his past and defend his present from the warlord with the help of an army of his own.
  34. Avataro Sentai Donbrothers Ep 01 Avataro: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Haruka is forced to fight as Oni Sister no matter how much she hates it, as she literally can't get rid of the glasses and DonBlaster. While she's reluctant to be a hero, she decides to find Taro and her other teammates at the end.
  35. Batwoman (2019) S1E3 "Down Down Down": Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Faced with Tommy's plot to kill dozens of people, Kate accepts the role of the city's protector after previously avoiding the role due to self-doubt and reluctance to be that sort of symbol.
  36. Haven S 3 E 13 Thanks For The Memories: Refusal of the Call / Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Audrey is initially determined to find another way to stay, but in the end, realizes there is no other way—or rather there is, but as we find out in the next season, it's not an option she's willing to take.
  37. Odd Squad S 1 E 22 The Potato Ultimato Fistful Of Fruit Juice: Refusal of the Call: When O'Donahue asks Oprah if she's seen any odd stuff happening, Oprah cuts him off abruptly, stating that she doesn't want to get involved in any Odd Squad-related shenanigans, and is happy just selling fruit to the townsfolk. However, she eventually does get dragged into Odd Squad business when some of her fruit is stolen, much to her chagrin.
  38. Odd Squad S 2 E 15 O Is For Opposite Agent Oksanas Kitchen Nightmares: Refusal of the Call: While Olympia is more than willing to help mend the rift between Oksana and Ms. O, Otis flat-out refuses to help, saying that he doesn't want to get involved. Eventually, he Can't Refuse the Call Anymore when he is assigned to take Oksana's place in the Food and Beverage department along with Olympia.
  39. Otherside Picnic V 01 F 04 Time Space And A Middle Aged Man: Refusal of the Call: Both Sorawo and Kozakura do this when asked to go into the Otherside. Unfortunately, when the call knows where you live you haven't really got a choice. Another one that could count as symbolic death if its wasn't already covered in The Call Knows Where You Live.
  40. Outlander S 6 E 1 Echoes: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore:
    • Jamie initially refuses to become the Indian Agent to the Crown. But after Major MacDonald tells Jamie the position will go to Richard Brown, who is ruthless, Jamie quickly decides to become the Indian Agent.
    • Still grieving Claire and his unborn child, Jamie is completely uninterested in leading the Highlanders in Ardsmuir prison, no matter how much deference they instinctively give him. However, when the tensions between the Protestant and Catholic prisoners boils over into a brawl that kills a young prisoner, Jamie steps in and takes command to broker a peace between the two factions.
  41. SCP Foundation: SCPs 4000 to 4999: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Frederick implies that at least some of the SCP-4918 instances were forced awake in order to aid in the war effort; in particular, he found all of the ravens on the mountain he was sleeping under were shot dead by German bullets.
  42. Sailor Mon S Ep 17 The Bond Of Destiny Uranuss Distant Past: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: After hearing Neptune confess her love for her and seeing first-hand how painful her new life as a Sailor Guardian is, Haruka decides to stop running and accepts her destiny as Sailor Uranus.
  43. Strike Witches Ep 2 "That Which I Can Do": Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Despite Miyafuji's protests against fighting the Neuroi, they don't leave her a choice when they attack the Akagi.
  44. Supernatural S 13 E 03 Patience: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: When told that she is psychic, Patience insists that she's "normal", but when she's kidnapped, her visions show her everyone will be murdered in their attempt to rescue her. She has to use her visions to save the cavalry so they can save her.
  45. Live-Action TV: In "Agent Oksana's Kitchen Nightmares", Olympia becomes more than willing to help mend the rift between Oksana and Oprah. Otis, on the other hand, straight-out refuses, but when Olympia comes back from a chat with Oprah and reveals that both her and her partner have been shifted to the Food and Beverage department in Oksana's place, he Can't Refuse the Call Anymore and is forced to get involved.
  46. Crossbow: Refusal of the Call: Will says in the first episode "you give me a choice between war and Gessler, and I'll take Gessler every time." Naturally, he changes his mind.
  47. Kamen Rider Dragon Knight: The Call Knows Where You Live: Once a Kamen Rider is linked to his or her Advent Deck, the deck will always alert them to when there a monster attack, thus making them unable to refuse the call.
  48. Tropes A to L: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Following Zelda's abduction, this happens when Link finally makes the jump from the safety of The Sky to the desolate Surface below.
  49. Child of Light: Aurora just woke up alone in Lemuria and founds herself learning to fight in order to found a way to return home. After realizing (in the worst way) that the portal back home was a trap, she understood that she must defeat the evil in this land and save her new friends; later she's tempted by the Big Bad with an easy way to return home but she declines it after seeing her father a last time, who's proud of her doing the right thing. She then loses her protective crown, gets killed and revived (fitting the Apotheosis), meets the Goddess (in the form of the Queen of Light) and defeats the Big Bad. Part of a Hero's Journey entry. There is a symbolic death but it's at the very end of the story and not listed as the same as the Can't Refuse the Call Anymore moment.
  50. Starlink: Battle for Atlas: Peppy, if only briefly. He's quick to remind Fox of their original mission and how helping Starlink would be a distraction, but the others quickly leave to join the fight before he can argue further, begrudgingly lending his assistance as well. He says he should have retired after beating Andross (which he also said in other games), but every time he tries, he just gets back into it.
  51. The Legend of Zelda: The Sage of Darkness: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Link is hesitant to accept his role as the hero, because he just wants to take care of his brother. The actions of both Zelda and Ertegun make it impossible for him to stay put.
  52. Loving Vincent: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Armand didn't particularly like Vincent and wasn't interested in delivering the letter, but begrudgingly accepts the task when his father guilts him into it.
  53. Starchaser: The Legend of Orin: Played with. Orin escapes the Mine World with all the determination befitting a rebellious slave in a sci-fi flick. Shortly afterwards, though, when he is captured by the man-droids, Orin can briefly be heard apologizing for escaping and promising to go back to the mines if they will spare his life. By then, of course, it is far too late. It's arguable where to put this, since you could interpret being captured as a symbolic death, but the capture really isn't presented as the reason he can't refuse the call anymore, just the thing that makes him want to refuse.

    Main character symbolically dies, and this also is the point where they stop refusing the call: 13 (13%) 

  1. Earth's Children - Ayla: Refusal of the Call:
    • Ayla ignores Iza's advice to leave the Clan and seek out her own people, being reluctant to leave the only home and family she'd ever known. Of course, by the end of the first book she has no choice but to the leave, due to an earthquake destroying the clan's cave (again) and Broud ordering her to be cursed with death. The symbolic death part is arguable here but you could see being cursed to die/threatened with being cursed to die and thus being essentially dead to your home as counting.
  2. Reincarnated As The Strongest Wand: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: By the time chapter 4 comes around, she's exposed as "the magical girl" because her transformation wore off in public. She now has to fight because the demons will come after her, no matter what she does. Could argue this is a symbolic death in being transformed and now dead to her former life, though I'm not sure.
  3. Sunrider Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: When Kayto comes to ask her help in taking down Crow Harbor in Sunrider 4'', she initially says no. She believes that the threat Crow poses is real, but she has a responsibility to the Ceran people as their acting prime minister, and she can't just abandon that responsibility to go gallivanting around the galaxy. Then Veniczar Fontana springs a trap for Kayto, and Ava gets swept aboard the Maray in the confusion. Once they're out of danger, Ava realizes that the damage has already been done and settles back into her role as the ship's XO. Being accidentally taken onto the ship and separated from her previous world/life can arguably be a symbolic death.
  4. The Bible: Refusal of the Call: More like he didn't want to preach in the Assyrian capital which would have got him killed. He would face a trial that made him reconsider.
  5. Avalon Code: A Guide to Wasting Awesome Ideas: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Yumil would rather not have monsters ripping his legs off, but holding onto the Book of Prophecy at least gives him a fighting chance. When he breaks out of Xenonbart's prison, he's no longer able to stay in Rhoan unless he wants his head lopped off, so finding the other Spirits is his only choice. I'd say breaking out of prison and knowing you'd be dead if you return can count as a symbolic death/threshold passing.
  6. Naked Killer: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The moment Kitty wakes up in Sister Cindy's room, and learning that Cindy is taking her as a protege, Kitty immediately demands to be let out. Cindy responds by flicking on the television, showing a news broadcast about Kitty's rampage in Mr. Bee's office, that police have identified Kitty as Mr. Bee's killer, and as such Kitty is now a wanted fugitive and has no choice but to accept Cindy's offer. Debatable like all these examples but I'd say being a wanted fugitive unable to return could count as symbolic death.
  7. Book of Jonah: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: "In the belly of a whale" is often used to refer to a period in a story where the protagonist is caught in a situation with no hope. However, in the story of Jonah the whale is actually not a punishment but God's way of saving Jonah from drowning. It also represented him giving Jonah a second chance by taking him back to land. Though the Bible itself compares being in the whale as a trial, when Christ compares the three days in the whale with his upcoming three days dead before resurrection. It's not clear that he was refusing the call before, just the symbolic death part, but I know it from the other Bible entry and previous knowledge from the Bible being very well-known
  8. The Count of Monte Cristo: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Edmond Dantès is initially a benign, trusting, and naive young man with a happy future ahead of him. Then he's falsely imprisoned. He initially hopes that he'll receive justice and return to his friends. But after four years, he realizes that he'll never be released. This is the trope-point where there is no going back to his old life, only ahead. It initially drives him to despair and a suicide attempt. But the unexpected arrival of a fellow prisoner, the remarkable Abbe Faria, turns his thoughts in a new direction, toward escape and revenge. This also marks a change in Dantès's character.
  9. The Qur'an: Yunusnote  was swallowed whole because [[What the Hell, Hero? he did not want to preach God's message to his people again, thinking they were beyond saving. After a The Reason You Suck speech courtesy of God and repentance, he was left out.
  10. Yona of the Dawn: Jae-Ha tried to avoid Kija and Shin-Ah, knowing they probably were with their master and that he would have the urge to join them, despite his desire for freedom. However, the moment he met Yona, resistance was futile, and all his attempts were just delaying the inevitable, so he ultimately becomes Resigned to the Call rather than be forced into it.
  11. Anime & Manga: Reincarnated As The Strongest Wand has Reiji's soul shoved into a wand. As the witch who did it was gushing about how "lucky" he is to be The Chosen One, he pointedly refuses her, twice. She retorts that as a wand, he Can't Refuse the Call Anymore, and then puts him on a shelf, leaving the cabin, never to return. An interesting example because while having your soul shoved into a wand counts as a symbolic death, the trope name seems to be just used as a stock quote for saying you can't refuse the call and it's just coincidental it happens to fit the other meaning.
  12. Thief II: The Metal Age: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: After spending his life running away from it, after Viktoria's death shocks and devastates Garrett, he finally resigns himself to it. Not a traditional symbolic death, but the hero's journey page does say losing people you love can count. Though by that logic losing your home could also count, which is already covered by The Call Knows Where You Live.

    Main character symbolically dies, marking a turning point/"no turning back" point but the character wasn't explicitly refusing the call before hand: 12 (12%) 

  1. Propp's Functions of Folktales: 15: Transference - The hero is taken to a new place. Physically. Emotionally. Spiritually. Grammatically.
  2. The Hero's Journey: The Spiritual Death and Rebirth represents a symbolic death for the Hero: the Hero is defeated and killed, their flesh scattered, ready to be reborn and emerge as a new person. If you think the symbolic death ought to come later, don't worry: The Writer's Journey omits this step altogether in favor of a Resurrection step just before the end.
    • A more contemporary interpretation of this step is that the hero is taken down & demoralized by the Big Bad and hits rock bottom, without actually dying (though this can be caused by someone close to them dying). Afterwards, they have an important revelation, giving them a final bit of Character Development, and restoring their resolve.
    • Part of this step involves the Hero Losing the Guide.
  3. Mind Game: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Also invoked in the classic sense. Stuck inside the whale, every protagonist confronts that which they have been running from before their escape.
  4. Tropes E to H: The Spiritual Death and Rebirth: When he returns to the Hawks a year later, the tragic Eclipse happens. His flesh is seared and scattered, and he is "reborn" as a new man with a burning vengeance. He is now fully initiated into the strange world, and is given further supernatural aids (the Dragonslayer and possibly his cursed brand). An example that is part of a description for The Hero's Journey rather than its own trope
  5. Kingdom Hearts: Sora: * Can't Refuse the Call Anymore:
    • Sora does this twice. Once in the sub-journey that is the first game, when he separates his heart from his body, and again and more fitting of the trope in his series-long character arc when his heart is shattered entirely and he has to put it back together and heal before he gets another chance to pass the official Hero's Test Yen Sid was giving.
    • Sora arguably had a couple of these moments in the first game. The first was when his homeworld was destroyed and he more or less washed up on Traverse Town. The second happens when he loses the Keyblade as well as Donald and Goofy to Riku, forcing him to rely on his own strength and tenacity for the first time since starting his journey rather than using the Keyblade as a handicap.
  6. The Dragon Prince: Callum: Callum finally reaches a point of no return, and concludes the first part of his Hero's Journey, when he connects to the sky arcanum and crosses into Xadia. After using Dark Magic, he falls into a coma and nearly dies. He has a series of visions that toss him around and test his character. When he awakes, he realizes that he now understands the sky arcanum, thus achieving what no other human mage has achieved and committing him to finish the journey with Rayla and Zym.
  7. Deryni: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: In The Quest for Saint Camber, Kelson and Dhugal are swept away in a mudslide and washed into an underground cave system behind a waterfall. They follow the cavernous tunnels looking for an escape route and are forced to break into the tombs of the Servants of Saint Camber (who have been in hiding for two centuries due to the anti-Deryni persecutions) to escape. To avoid death sentences for despoiling the Servants' graves, Kelson must undergo a ritual trial called cruaidh-dheuchainn; he's sent naked into an underground chapel that has chemical fumes used to induce visions, and he must stay there overnight and report whether or not Camber visits him. After this, he's ready to return to his capital and face the task of taking his throne back from his cousin Conall. Wasn't quite sure on this but I think the detail about being ready to face the task of taking the throne back counts as a turning point/being fully immersed in the adventure.
  8. Sword of the Stars: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Black Swimmers are considered dead to their civilian fellows, as reflected in the initiation ritual. First, he goes through what is basically a funeral, where his loved ones circle him, sing to him, and touch him one last time. After he is handed over to the Black Swimmers, his lungs are filled with the oxygenated fluid that Liir warships use instead of atmosphere. To the recruit, this is very much like drowning, and indeed the first day of training is called "Drowning Day". After he has been reborn, not as a Liir, but as a Black Swimmer, he will undergo his military training. Well, this technically applies to a lot of people and not (just?) the main character, but I still think it counts because it's this archetypical moment in the hero's journey being invoked in-universe.
  9. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: This comes when he rescues Zelda from Agahnim and becomes a fugitive. Later, it comes again when Agahnim has re-captured Zelda and Link goes to confront him, only to be sent to the Dark World at the end of their encounter. Becoming a fugitive and being sent to the Dark World probably serve well enough as both symbolic deaths and turning points/point of no return
  10. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Happens when the Great Deku Tree dies and Link must leave the forest, and later when Link is sealed in the Sacred Realm for a seven-year coma, only to awaken to a Crapsack World in which the first thing he sees is a ReDead. The first example definitely counts as a turning point, the second arguably counts too because awakening to a completely different world marks a new stage of his journey with no turning back.
  11. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Happens when the pirates first drop Link off at the Forsaken Fortress. And because he's still an overconfident kid by then, he's tossed into the ocean and rescued, leaving him with no option other than to wise up. The mid-game twist occurs when Link first encounters Ganondorf with the Master Sword, only to find that it has lost its power.
  12. Neo-Duelist League: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: A lot of characters have these moments, some more than one. If it wasn't for the fact most apply as backstory they would almost always be a Darkest Hour.
  13. The Croods: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: While the other Croods accept Guy as one of their own and adopt his ways for the better, Grug stubbornly sticks to his own ways, meeting the change he instills in the family with resistence or hostility out of both Pride and fear that it would endanger them. It is not until he gets to know Guy better when they're trapped in the tar and they work together to escape it does he accept these changes. Being unwilling to change one's ways with regards to the family isn't quite the same as refusing the Call to Adventure, though the being trapped could count as a symbolic death.

    Main character symbolically dies, with no indication this marks a turning point in their journey: 12 (12%) 

  1. Loss of Identity: A crucial part of The Hero's Journey, frequently manifested in the belly of the whale. This seems to be solely talking about the symbolic death aspect and how it means a loss of one's former identity, there's maybe an implication that this marks a turning point where they can't turn back because they are a different person but it isn't outright stated
  2. In Pact, Blake Thorburn gets into a fight with a demon and loses, being made an Unperson in the process. There's a denouement chapter of various characters reacting to the sudden absence, with his Distaff Counterpart Rose Thorburn becoming his successor as Thorburn Heir, before the narrative abruptly shifts to Goblin hunter Maggie Holt for seven chapters. After that, though The next chapter takes place from Blake's point of view, revealing that instead of being eaten he's fallen into an Eldritch Location called The Drains, which serves as the Can't Refuse the Call Anymore moment for his Hero's Journey. This may represent a turning point, but it isn't stated, just using the trope name and expecting it will be understood what that means, though it is clearly a symbolic death
  3. Kitty Norville: The Hero's Journey: Kitty's journey has been very bumpy and not followed every step of the structure, although she has experienced The Call Knows Where You Live, tried refusing it, and has eventually become resigned to it; she's also encountered the usual Mentor Occupational Hazard, her exile would probably count as Crossing the Threshold, and any number of moments could be considered her spiritual rebirth—nearly being sacrificed by the Band of Tiamat, the experience at the Montana cabin, even her televised Change way back in book two. But book twelve contains the most explicit references. Part of a Hero's Journey entry, and there's no mention of how these symbolic deaths represent a point of fully being consumed by the world, committing to her journey, etc., just that they happened.
  4. The Castle in the Attic: There is no Can't Refuse the Call Anymore, unless you consider William having been shrunk and leaving his world behind to be a form of death, but he certainly has the Road of Trials—see The Three Trials, wherein he encounters The Shapeshifter (Dick, against his will), the "Leave Your Quest" Test (literally in the form of the forest's temptations, but a number of people try to convince him not to face the wizard), and in the castle itself, the Goddess in the form of Calendar (as the Crone). This is part of a The Hero's Journey entry and clearly defining the trope as requiring a symbolic death, but no other requirements of the placement in the story and context are mentioned besides the symbolic death.
  5. Better Call Saul S5 E10: "Something Unforgivable": Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Variation: Lalo took Nacho with him to the Salamanca's compound in Mexico and introduced him to Don Eladio, effectively putting him in the belly of the beast.
  6. Doctor Who S35 E11 "Heaven Sent": Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The Doctor is Trapped in Another World, completely alone save for a sinister Threshold Guardian that he must escape from or defeat.
  7. Cave Story: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The end of the Sand Zone. You can only watch, horrified, as Toroko and King are murdered in front of you, and then you are effortlessly defeated and cast into the Labyrinth by Misery. Then everything gets much worse.
  8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: When Link finds himself turned into a wolf and locked in the twilit Hyrule Castle. The mid-game twist occurs when Zant blindsides Link and takes the Fused Shadows they worked hard to get.
  9. Jo Jos Bizarre Summer Break: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Dio still turned into a vampire with his head attached to Jonathan's body, only this time Jonathan also survived thanks to his Hamon powers, and he got George's body instead. I think getting a new body counts as a symbolic death here, though the context and what it means for the story is not discussed at all.
  10. The Last Halloween: Actually follows the formula pretty well, including the Supernatural Aid (the scythe), Can't Refuse the Call Anymore (Mona getting swallowed up by the monster in Ringley's castle), and the "Night Sea Voyage" (the Shadow World). Part of a The Hero's Journey entry.
  11. Rise of the Guardians: The Hero's Journey: The story follows this for Jack pretty closely, including but not limited to a textbook spiritual rebirth moment in the ice chasm. Another hero's journey example, though how it applies isn't really explained.
  12. The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie: Even something like this can be made to fit: the beginning of the film shows SpongeBob's normal life in Bikini Bottom, and then he is forced to leave the comfort of home to save Mr. Krabs and retrieve Neptune's crown, by facing all sorts of challenges that require him to realize that he needs to grow up. The trench is the nadir of the journey when he and Patrick realize how pathetic they are, Shell City is the "descent to the underworld" (in that they are very nearly killed and only miraculously survive) and, when they return, SpongeBob saves everyone in town from Plankton's mind control by admitting that he may just be a kid, but that isn't so bad. Part of a The Hero's Journey entry. The symbolic death part seems to just be used as the Darkest Hour rather than representing being fully immersed in the adventure.

    A turning point/no turning back point in the journey, but with neither symbolic death nor initial call refusal: 5 (5%) 

  1. Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: The pets reach this point once they summit the hill beyond the ranch, looking down on the intimidating Sierras. At this point, the three are debating whether or not to continue, in which they agree to go with Shadow and make the trek home.
  2. Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Phantom Blood: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Jonathan and Dio's first confrontation after the latter becomes a vampire signals the end of Easing into the Adventure and leads to the "bizarre" adventures of the rest of the series.
  3. Lunar: The Silver Star: All five games tell the story of a young man named Alex who sets out on a classic hero's journey with all the trimmings. The details vary a bit from version to version, but have the same underlying structure: the protagonist, Alex, admires a famous hero named Dragonmaster Dyne who died 15 years prior. So, when a dragon offers him the call to adventure, he jumps at it, seeing it as an opportunity to follow in his idol's footsteps. His journey gets him mixed up in a conflict between the forces of good and a villain called the Magic Emperor, with the fate of the world at stake. By facing this foe, Alex gains the wherewithal to make all his dreams come true. He goes on a grand adventure, prevails against the baddie when it seems like all hope is lost, gets the girl, and saves the world. Part of a Hero's Journey entry, noted to be an example where he Jumps At The Call so it's not a Refusal of the Call example.
  4. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: This happens after the Happy Mask Salesman has taught Link the Song of Healing and given him his former shape. Link had promised him to retrieve Majora's Mask, and the salesman proceeds to explain why it's important that he does so. Maybe he does refuse the call here, but it's never stated in the entry.
  5. Moana: Chief Tui's strict adherence to the rules of the Elders forbidding anyone to sail past the reef caused the village of Motunui to be especially vulnerable when the "spreading darkness" finally arrives. At that point, Gramma Tala has revealed to Moana that she's The Chosen One who Can't Refuse the Call Anymore forcing her to sail beyond the reef despite all Tui did to protect her. Used without context so it's not clear whether she was initially refusing the call, in any case there is no symbolic death.

    Other/Unsure: 7 (7%) 

  1. Darkest Hour: Compare Can't Refuse the Call Anymore, the first of the dark hours. This seems to define the trope as neither when the hero stops refusing the call or when the hero symbolically dies as a turning point, but as Darkest Hour except earlier in the story. Given the symbolic death definition often does mean a Darkest Hour.
  2. Threshold Guardians: The term comes from the work of comparative mythologist Joseph Campbell — next, the hero Can't Refuse the Call Anymore. This doesn't define the trope at all.
  3. Mobile Suit Gundam Storm: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: When Athene returns to Forge and faces possible brainwashing in order to try and save her fellow supersoldiers. This one isn't clear, was this listed because going into a dangerous place and risking herself is interpreted as a symbolic death (which seems like a stretch since heroes do risky things all the time and get out safely without it being treated as a symbolic death) or because she had been refusing the call before, which is never stated?
  4. An Elegy for the Still-living: The Hero's Journey: Deconstructed. Despite going through all the major steps, Francis remains essentially unchanged. He is constantly motivated by his own fears and selfish desires and never truly redeems himself even when he Can't Refuse the Call Anymore. Not clear in context what is meant by him being an example of this trope.
  5. Sword Art Online: Project Alicization: Kirito awakens in an unfamiliar virtual world (called "Underworld") with no memories of how he got there. He must venture to discover the secrets behind this world and why he has been trapped within it, all while questioning whether he is the real Kirito or merely an Artificial Intelligence in his likeness. Alicization is by far the longest story arc in the franchise, and the only one with subtitles for each volume.note  (LN Volumes 9–18) Contextless pothole.
  6. Tropes G to N: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Nanako's kidnapping and death, and the permanent fog This is part of a The Hero's Journey entry, but it isn't made clear why these events fit any definition of the trope.
  7. Crash and Burn: Ketier: The bird heir of giant-insect dwelling Potanikyaa, xe has mostly lived as a sheltered royal with nothing expected of xem. Xe starts to learn and change as the story progresses, possibly straying into Can't Refuse the Call Anymore. Probably referring to xem initially refusing the call but it's not made clear at all, the trope is just mentioned with no context.

    Not Counting in wick check 

  1. Elenco Provvisorio C: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore [Il Ventre Della Balena] This is just an Italian translation and says nothing about how the trope is used.
  2. Trope Epitaph: Renamed Tropes #-L: Here lies Belly of the Whale — Faced a spiritual death from The Call.[[note]]The trope name was occasionally interpreted literally and used for examples of Womb Level or Swallowed Whole, forcing a rename. This is a just for fun talking about how the trope was renamed, it's not relevant for seeing how the trope is used
  3. Tom Waits: TV Tropes has used quotes by Waits on the following pages:
  1. All Sandbox entries including my own aren't counted either.
  2. A To E: Can't Refuse the Call Anymore used to be "Belly of the Whale". It was commonly taken literally and misused to refer to a common appearance of the Monster Whale. Just says the trope was renamed, and nothing about how it is used.
  3. Too Obscure or Bizarre: Can't Refuse the Cold Call Anymore This is just a joke Just for Fun thing and doesn't have to do with how the trope is used.
  4. I'm not counting any of the three WMG entries.
  5. Warp That Aesop/Tropes: The Call Knows Where You Live, Can't Refuse the Call Anymore: Anyone who doesn't want to be a part of something deserve to have their homes destroyed, their families and friends killed, and also deserve to be made miserable so they can go along with the plot. Does seem to lean towards the interpretation that it's about when you stop Refusal of the Call, with a bit of symbolic death in how they lose everything that formerly grounded them, but I'm not counting it because it's a fun game rather than a proper part of the wiki.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 19th 2023 at 10:41:16 AM

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#26: May 9th 2023 at 10:33:42 PM

Calling in favor of doing a Trope Transplant by splitting Can't Refuse the Call Anymore into tropes: 1) one which is a generic symbolic death and rebirth trope, and 2) the other which is literally about the time when the hero can't refuse the call anymore. Number 2 would reuse the name Can't Refuse the Call Anymore and number 1 would have a new name (which would be decided with another crowner).

What are our name options for number 1?

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#27: May 10th 2023 at 6:45:19 AM

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#28: May 10th 2023 at 11:55:38 AM

[tup] Reborn As A Hero

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#29: May 12th 2023 at 4:48:36 AM

Since nobody suggested any more options, I just decided to make do with what we have.

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#30: May 15th 2023 at 7:56:53 AM

Calling in favor of Symbolic Hero Rebirth. I'll redirect it for now so the Trope Transplant doesn't require mod intervention, since at least one of the two pages needs to be rewritten.

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#31: Jun 4th 2023 at 7:29:34 AM

So... What do. This only has 130 wicks so when the descriptions get rewritten it'd be short work to close. We got sandboxes yet?

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#32: Jun 4th 2023 at 9:53:29 AM

I kind of forgot about this thread, and it kind of shows due to the OP not being pinned until just now. If there are any sandboxes, they aren't linked to in the OP. I'll copy the description to sandboxes for now to use as a base.

Edit: Made the Sandbox.Cant Refuse The Call Anymore and Sandbox.Symbolic Hero Rebirth sandboxes as a starting point. Currently, they're duplicates of Main.Cant Refuse The Call Anymore's description, but I don't feel like doing any rewriting at the moment.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 4th 2023 at 11:55:16 AM

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#33: Jun 7th 2023 at 11:06:39 AM

Bumping to give this thread some attention—not good at description writing so I'll stay out of that.

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#34: Jun 29th 2023 at 3:30:17 PM

I wrote this for Symbolic Hero Rebirth. I can't think of anything more to add. Thoughts so far?

Also called the spiritual death and rebirth, this is The Hero's Journey where the hero is defeated or reaches the lowest point in some way without actually dying, then gets symbolically reborn as they return as a changed person after finding new resolve or experiencing an important revelation. This overall journey and experience are vital for the character to continue walking on their path to achieve whatever they ought to achieve and learn from such a life-changing event.

Sometimes these characters connect with the sky or nature in a way that resembles a literal resurrection. For further symbolism, this metaphorical death and rebirth may be represented by butterflies.

Edited by selkies on Jun 29th 2023 at 12:39:41 PM

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#35: Jun 29th 2023 at 8:15:26 PM

[up] Add it to the sandbox!

Might The Phoenix also be associated with this? (This is a purely curious question on my part; an expert on the subject I am not.)

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#36: Jun 29th 2023 at 11:01:55 PM

[up]I added it since mods can copy the source code of posts.

Does Sandbox.Cant Refuse The Call Anymore need more work, since we're retooling it, while Symbolic Hero Rebirth is going to use the definition currently located at Main.Cant Refuse The Call Anymore, while we're reusing the latter name for a new trope?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 29th 2023 at 1:06:06 PM

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#37: Jun 29th 2023 at 11:10:31 PM

Double posting because I transplanted some text between the two sandboxes, such as moving the last paragraph of Sandbox.Symbolic Hero Rebirth to Sandbox.Cant Refuse The Call Anymore since it didn't reference rebirth symbolism. It's past 1 AM, so I'm kind of tired, so if I screwed up, feel free to make further changes.

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#38: Jul 15th 2023 at 5:13:27 PM

So, are there any more changes needed to the sandbox? It's been just over two weeks since I last posted, and I was wondering if they can be swapped in, or if I missed anything.

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#39: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:15:33 AM

I think they're good enough.

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#40: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:19:22 AM

I'll swap them in whenever I feel up to it. I'm tired right now (as I mentioned in the illness thread on Yack Fest, I've been sick lately), so I'll come back to this later.

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#41: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:33:46 AM

I swapped in the sandboxes, indexed Symbolic Hero Rebirth, and noted the split on Split Tropes and Launch Displacement, as well as the Renamed and Split Tropes thread. In addition, I made Sandbox.Can Clean Cant Refuse The Call Anymore to keep track of wick cleanup since not all wicks are being moved to Symbolic Hero Rebirth.

Edit: Oh, and here are the wicks. Not too many to go through; we were waiting for the Trope Transplant to be done, so with that out of the way, we can close after cleanup for the transplant is done.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 19th 2023 at 10:40:00 AM

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#42: Jul 19th 2023 at 4:19:48 PM

Noting to be sure to move any wicks from the old name (Belly of the Whale). I had to cut its laconic.

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#43: Jul 19th 2023 at 8:31:46 PM

Done, so locking up.

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Consensus was to do a Trope Transplant by splitting into tropes: 1) one which is a generic symbolic death and rebirth trope, and 2) the other which is literally about the time when the hero can't refuse the call anymore. Number 2 would reuse the name Cant Refuse The Call Anymore and number 1 would have a new name. What should number 1's name be?

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