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RuleOfTwo - how is it different from just TheDragon?

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molokai198 Since: Oct, 2012
#1: May 3rd 2023 at 8:02:40 PM

Based on the description of this trope, it seems to mostly be just "the Big Bad has The Dragon", but with a bit of stuff about the dynamic between the two and how there they want to stay just the big bad and the dragon with no one else and there's tension on if one would overthrow the other. But most of the examples are just "The Dragon exists" without context on their relationship, except for the many examples from Star Wars related media, which seem to take up half the examples. So how is this differentiated from The Dragon?

crystalevo Since: Apr, 2023
#2: May 3rd 2023 at 8:22:58 PM

The Rule of Two is specifically a part of Star Wars lore that every Sith Lord has to have a apprentice raised with the goal of one day overtaking their master. It's basically a big meta-excuse for why every Star Wars villain has their own Vader clone, hence why the page is so full of SW examples. I think the intent of the page was to list examples of Big Bad and The Dragon relationships that mimicked that relationship, but yeah it looks like the average example is just "The Antagonist has their own Sidekick".

YourIdeas Since: Mar, 2014
#3: May 3rd 2023 at 9:45:52 PM

You mention how it is different from The Dragon though, the trope just happens to get misused.

For what it's worth, Rule of Two has far fewer wicks in total and most of them are Star Wars based. A few random examples I picked off that weren't Star Wars-related also seemed to confuse the trope for "things happen twice in a row", which has nothing to do with the trope itself. The problem to me seems more that the Rule of Two is a very specific sort of relationship between the Big Bad and The Dragon that's ingrained in the lore of one specific franchise, so any other series that is using it is no doubt doing either a deliberate Shout-Out or taking heavy inspiration from Star Wars in general.

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#4: May 3rd 2023 at 9:51:19 PM

It's interesting to note that the meaning of The Dragon decayed severely over the years. In the original meaning of the term, it was just the penultimate threat- the dragon and Big Bad didn't necessarily have to be related.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#5: May 4th 2023 at 8:17:48 AM

This has always felt like someone decided to try and pass off a thing from Star Wars specifically as a trope when it doesn't really exist anywhere else.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#6: May 4th 2023 at 11:47:37 AM

[up] It looks that way to me too. I think we should do a wick check and of we cant find a significant number of correctly used non-Star Wars examples, we cut it for being Too Rare to Trope.

Edited by TheMountainKing on May 4th 2023 at 2:47:57 PM

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#7: May 4th 2023 at 1:48:09 PM

[up][up][up] If that's the case, is there another trope that encompasses the meaning of The Dragon.

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#8: May 4th 2023 at 1:51:36 PM

Not really.

That TRS attempted to spin off Campbellian Dragon, but it never got off the ground. Then Eddie (as eyebones) showed up and told us to not do this... yeah it was a mess.

The TRS is here. It's a long but interesting read.

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NoUsername she's only programmed to be very nice Since: May, 2012
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#9: May 4th 2023 at 5:12:14 PM

...god i would not have guessed that's the trope from the title. i guess it's just kind of the evil version of Student–Master Team (occasionally with the idea of a Master-Apprentice Chain)? which you could just make it a redirect to honestly

Edited by NoUsername on May 4th 2023 at 5:12:53 AM

molokai198 Since: Oct, 2012
#10: May 5th 2023 at 2:42:37 PM

Should I TRS this trope? I have some other tropes I want to TRS first though, I wonder if anyone else is interested in doing it.

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