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Samaldin Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#201: Nov 30th 2023 at 12:39:29 AM

[up]Basicly all there is to Kashimo is that his technique is one-time-use only, his cursed energy has electric properties (giving him technique-like abilities) and he wants to fight the strongest, even though he lost to Hakari who is nowhere even close to that title. Remove him from the story and literally nothing changes. In short Kashimo is a complete waste of character.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#202: Nov 30th 2023 at 12:45:21 AM

Honestly this feels like set up for her to take an enemy by surprise considering Kenjaku said his “Will lives on” and Kenjaku himself says Binding Vows with the self are different from Vows with others. The only thing lost via Self-Imposed Vows is any boosts gotten from said Vow when breaking them.

So Miwa coming out of nowhere when they least expect it is possible.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:46:11 PM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#203: Nov 30th 2023 at 12:52:17 AM

Basicly all there is to Kashimo is that his technique is one-time-use only, his cursed energy has electric properties (giving him technique-like abilities) and he wants to fight the strongest, even though he lost to Hakari who is nowhere even close to that title. Remove him from the story and literally nothing changes. In short Kashimo is a complete waste of character.

All I remember was Hakari's fight being kinda weird and hard to follow, and Kashimo having a LOT of simps and fans on Twitter. Like way more than I was expecting.

Other than that, I guess he's mostly there cuz the Culling Games were set up to give Yuji, Megumi, Maki, Yuta, and Kashimo some fights. There's some good shit, but...eh.

Like I keep saying, it says a lot that my reaction keeps going into "Man I can't wait to see this animated".

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#204: Nov 30th 2023 at 12:55:54 AM

At this point every character has fans that simp for them.

Its pretty much one of those series where every character has a fandom even the minor guys.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:56:05 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#205: Dec 3rd 2023 at 9:10:12 AM

You know, Kishimoto got a lot of flak over his treatment of fmeale characters but he never had one lose her powers/relevance in the story all because she accidentally made an unbreakable vow. Miwa looks like an absolute dimwit here.

Miwa had the exact same fate as Todou. Both were in life-or-death situations and both chose survival over their future ability to fight. To be fair, I don't remember if people cast Todou's fate as bad writing, but I personally didn't see it that way.

[down] Whoops. Didn't even realize.

Edited by indigoJay on Dec 3rd 2023 at 12:12:42 PM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#206: Dec 3rd 2023 at 9:11:27 AM

The chapter is out, take the discussion to the main thread.

Samaldin Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#207: Dec 15th 2023 at 10:52:52 AM

245: The sheer convenience of how everything always plays out to Sukunas advantage is truly stunning... At least Sukuna didn´t just beat the legal system Higurumas domain. Since he claimed to be interested in Higurumas sword, he will likely discard his cursed tool next week and replace it with Higurumas executiors sword, showing he can steal items that are part of a cursed technique. I´m very curious how this fight is supposed to reach a satisfying conclusion. Sukuna still has more up his sleeve and wouldn´t even have needed his last three or so powerups to fight evenly with the remaining cast.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#208: Dec 15th 2023 at 2:56:23 PM

I don't think I've seen plot armor this thick in a long time, fuck.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#209: Dec 15th 2023 at 6:53:51 PM

I think it's clear who the author's favourite character is

Edited by asterism on Dec 15th 2023 at 2:54:09 PM

Bewitching Eyes
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#210: Dec 15th 2023 at 7:01:42 PM

No wonder, with so many arms, Sukuna can give him plenty of hand jobs.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#211: Dec 15th 2023 at 7:02:51 PM

At this point I'm only sticking around to see how many sharks this series can jump before it's over

Bewitching Eyes
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#212: Dec 15th 2023 at 7:14:28 PM

And then wait for it to all come out in volume format and get animated and all the negativity dwindles as people have a change of opinion in time, like it always fucking does.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#213: Dec 15th 2023 at 7:37:59 PM

Volume format only salvages pacing issues, and getting animated isn't going to fix the writing.

EDIT: Like compare Sukuna to Aizen and Madara. Yes, all three are broken, but in time people came around to Madara's thematic ties to the plot and fell in love with his battle mania.

Aizen always had a meme factor to him that fans loved, but beyond that he also came around in people's eyes for again, having a lot more nuance.

All this is stuff Sukuna really lacks. He's basically what would've happened had Kurama from Naruto never got depth.

Edited by TheMageofFire on Dec 15th 2023 at 7:41:25 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#214: Dec 15th 2023 at 7:38:57 PM

I never said anything about changing the writing.

I'm merely pointing to an obvious trend.

Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
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#215: Dec 15th 2023 at 8:08:58 PM

So, uh, when I read that comment about plot armor, I didn't think it was about Sukuna but instead about Hakari. But then I read the other comments and realized "Huh, yeah, what happened with Sukuna could also count as plot armor".

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#216: Dec 16th 2023 at 12:56:45 AM

And then wait for it to all come out in volume format and get animated and all the negativity dwindles as people have a change of opinion in time, like it always fucking does

Not always. If anything the anime is making a decent amount of people realize that the manga's most glaring flaws to come started in the Shibuya

That being said I think what mostly bugs me is the thought of Yorozu's whole existence seeming to amount to giving Sukuna a literal get out of jail free card because apparently a weapon that didn't even exist for the crime that he's being accused of can get confiscated

Edited by Mami on Dec 16th 2023 at 9:58:37 PM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#217: Dec 16th 2023 at 8:14:20 AM

Not always. If anything the anime is making a decent amount of people realize that the manga's most glaring flaws to come started in the Shibuya

Reaction is still overwhelmingly positive though.

I'm just saying, we complain *now*, but given time I can see said complaints dwindling.

Like compare Sukuna to Aizen and Madara. Yes, all three are broken, but in time people came around to Madara's thematic ties to the plot and fell in love with his battle mania.

Aizen always had a meme factor to him that fans loved, but beyond that he also came around in people's eyes for again, having a lot more nuance.

All this is stuff Sukuna really lacks. He's basically what would've happened had Kurama from Naruto never got depth.

Yeah. Those first two got better reception AFTER the fact. People hated Aizen and Madara a lot. Then that opinion shifted with hindsight.

I see no reason why this won't also happen here.

Edited by Diana1969 on Dec 16th 2023 at 10:16:30 AM

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#218: Dec 16th 2023 at 9:02:37 AM

Sukuna is about as nuanced as an avalanche

Bewitching Eyes
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#219: Dec 16th 2023 at 9:06:21 AM

Never said anything to the contrary.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#220: Dec 16th 2023 at 9:48:10 AM

Bringing up two villains where were originally quite hated for being perceived as bland and overpowered antagonists who the plot gave too much leeway with only to be Vindicated by History and acting like that it’s impossible for that to happen with Sukuna feels like peak late stage big shounen hype cycle mindset.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#221: Dec 16th 2023 at 9:53:38 AM

Bringing up two villains where were originally quite hated for being perceived as bland and overpowered antagonists who the plot gave too much leeway with only to be Vindicated by History and acting like that it’s impossible for that to happen with Sukuna feels like peak late stage big shounen hype cycle mindset.

THANK YOU.

This is what I'm trying to say. The constant negativity with each new chapter is grating enough but acting like the series isn't going to inevitably see a reappraisal once it's over and fully animated and junk is ridiculous. It *always* happens. Being blind to the repetive nature of this cycle is willfull ignorance.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#222: Dec 16th 2023 at 9:53:41 AM

I mean, from personal preference, maybe cause I'm an old timer like that, Madara and Aizen really didn't get vindicated much.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#223: Dec 16th 2023 at 10:15:12 AM

Yeah, I guess I'll tone down the negativity and wait and see what happens.

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#224: Dec 16th 2023 at 4:22:59 PM

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Yeah, it always happens. After a while, people will understand all the thematic stuff the author is trying to do with Sukuna. In fact, many understand it now, it's just the naysayers that are the loudest.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#225: Dec 16th 2023 at 4:29:36 PM

I'm not even saying people aren't allowed to dislike the direction the series is going in, but does it have to be the case where every single chapter just leads to the same comments about how awful it is or whatever? Is there *nothing* positive to say?

After a while, people will understand all the thematic stuff the author is trying to do with Sukuna.

See this, *this* is something I'm interested in! I'd like to understand this perspective a bit more. What role does Sukuna serve thematically?


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