To-do list:
- Since this was disambiguated between Combat Tentacles, Lightning Lash, Tail Slap, Vine Tentacles, Weapon-Based Characterization, Weapon Specialization, and possibly other tropes, move wicks that fit other tropes accordingly, and remove Chairs-y examples.
Original post
Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes.Macron's OP
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. I conducted a wick check and most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes.Wick Check Percentages
- Just whip as a weapon—13 wicks~~~26%
- Character carries a whip for the aesthetic—2 wicks~~~4%
- Covered by Other Tropes—22 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category) ~~~44%
- Whip It Good + additional context—4 wicks~~~8%
- Other~~~2%
- ZCE/Insufficient Context—10 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category") ~~~20%
Solution
I think the best course of action would be to disambiguate Whip It Good with the following:and yard the Whip of Dominance concept because I didn't find enough good examples on that.
Wick Check
- Characters.Between My Brother And Me Ab Inito: Carries a whip which she uses to lashes out at Molly.
- Characters.Kamen Rider Revice Happy Spa: Under Prehensile Hair "Her ponytail can be extended and used as a whip"(pothole)
- Characters.Lulus Bizarre Rebellion Britannia: He pulls out a whip during the final battle.
- Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Classes Fourth Edition Classes: Under Evil Weapon— Gloom Pact Whips it good with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Film.The Jade Faced Assassin:The oldest sister of the Chang Clan uses a whip in her fight scenes.
- Funny.Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai: Flora takes them down in one fell swoop with her whip
- Funny.Tiger Mask W: And one of the wrestlers tries and asks her out until Miss X whips him in the ass (pothole) and sends him back to train.
- ImprobableWeaponUser.Video Games: Namu Amida Butsu! -UTENA-: Kongōman Bosatsu "Leader" has a very long flower garland, which he uses in battle as if it's a whip.
- Manga.Cowa: One human mook uses a whip as a weapon.
- VideoGame.Dark Devotion: Whips are one of the available weapon types.
- VideoGame.Salt And Sanctuary: Whips are available in this game as well, and they scale primarily with Dexterity.
- VideoGame.Unexplored: One of the weapon types. You can also get a Flaming Whip by killing the Balrog.
- Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure: Under Action Girl: Babette is very much a Damsel in Distress in the earlier parts of the story but by the climax [[spoiler: has taken over the pirate ship and is wielding a whip(pothole)
- Characters.Galaxy Angel Video Games: Though she never actually uses it, she's often seen holding a crop.
- Characters.Wooden Overcoats: She carries a whip with her everywhere, though she doesn't seem to use it on the animals.
- Arsenal Attire: In Brave10, both Rokuro and Nanakuma hide their combination whip/rope darts Hidden Weapons
- Characters.Batman Beyond One Shot Villains: The source of his name comes from the robotic whips he had Corso install in his wrists.
- Characters.Common Sense: Vine Whip, though primarily used for restraining and retrieving. Vine Tentacles
- Characters.Digimon World Infamy Coal And His Family: Naturally has the ability to use her extending vines as whips, although nobody probably expected her to start playfully, or semi-playfully, whipping her twin brother a few minutes after being born.(Vine Tentacles)
- Characters.Dungeon Fighter Online Players:Can whip her summons and party members to beef up their stats. Status Buff
- Characters.Fire Emblem On Forums Classes: One of the signature weapons of the Jester line. Weapon Specialization.
- Characters.Going Another Way: Shamsel can use her two long tentacles like whips. Difference is that these things can also slice through almost everything. Combat Tentacles
- Characters.Kamen Rider Den O Movie Exclusive Characters: His weapon of choice is a whip, which he uses to also scatter about exploding tops. (Weapon Specialization)
- Characters.Kaiten Mutenmaru: Meer wields a pair of whips in combat. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Overwatch Roadhog: His infamous hook deals 30 points of damage and can kill low-health enemies. His hook essentially acts like a lasso to drag and stun enemies into range for a point-blank shot of his Scrap Gun. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Ranma One Half Major Story Arc Characters: Ebiten's primary means of attack is lashing his foe with his fishing rod's line so that it slices their flesh. He also uses a minor version to capture Akane, sending the line out to grab her by her arm and pull her to the spot in which the group is. Rod And Reel Repurposed
- Characters.Vindictus: Her alternative primary weapon is a spellwhip, which grants her smash attacks and focuses her mana into close and medium range attacks. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.With A Snap: Her main weapon. Bare minimum context but it fits Weapon Specialization.
- ComicBook.Jonah Hex: Stiletta from Hex was an expert with a whip. Weapon Specialization
- Fanfic.The Black Emperor: Lelouch's first Ace Custom, the Raijin, has a pair of whips that can be electrified. Lightning Lash
- Fanfic.Storm Hawks Fan Third Season: Dr. Sins main weapons are whips.Weapon Specialization
- Manga.Takeru:Ogyokura dual wields beam whips. Dual Wielding
- Sandbox.Hellfire: City of Heroes soon-to-be-released Demon Summoning powerset for Masterminds has a few demons that attack with hellfire, as well as giving the Mastermind a whip made of it (pothole). Elemental Weapon
- VideoGame.Nitemare 3 D: The weapon of choice for the stone-wall living statues. Weapon Specialization
- WMG.Kamen Rider OOO: Wani probably grows a tail for Whip It Good (Tail Slap)
- Characters.One For All And Eight For The Ninth: His Quirk lets him create whips of a black material, which he can use to bring targets close or more around.
- Characters.Stormwatch Backlash: As a result of his Kherubim heritage and his exposure to the Gen Factor, Marc Slayton can sprout whips of psionic energy from his forearms.
- DisproportionateRetribution.Literature: [spoiler:Ryker]] prepares a bath for Tierney, complete with flowers in the bathwater. She is left speechless, because back home, bathing with flowers is considered a sin and punishable by whipping.
- FistOfTheNorthStar.Tropes Q To Z:
- Uighur is a huge, huge man running a prison, so the theme of control and enslavement is still there but without any of the usual vampiness associated with whips. In fact, he's presented as a serious martial artist (well, as serious as you can be if you're not named Kenshiro, Toki, Raoh, Souther, or Rei anyway).
- A military-style minor villain from one of the earlier episodes also wields one capable of slicing people in half. For all the good it does him against Kenshiro. Whip indicates dominance
- TabletopGame.Fortune And Glory: Probably the closest this game comes to directly referencing Indiana Jones is the Gear card "Bull Whip". It gives a combat modifier, and can be risked for a chance to change the outcome of a fight.
- Trivia.Devo: Trope Namers entry.
- Characters.Spiral Chaos Characters:
- Under Aruta Catus: Just the trope name
- Under Alice: She can use her tail as a whip, mostly in her first attack, Pendulum Arrow. Tail Slap
- Under Isabella "Ivy" Valentine: Just the Trope Name
- Under Plum: Her Pakkun Whip, used in many of her attacks, including her map move. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Bravest Warriors: Her Cat Lashes.
- Characters.Firestorm DC Comics: His ropes can be used for this.
- Characters.Sharpe: Berry is eager to use a riding crop on Josefina.
Berry: The Countess has been very naughty, making eyes at Sharpe, making a fool of Sir Henry and calling herself a countess. Very naughty indeed. Naughty girls get spanked and put to bed.
- Characters.Super RWBY Sisters RWBY Characters: Whips it good (pothole) with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Characters.Tropers The Series: What one seal would have tried on Ladro had they not been left Behind the Black.
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters 99: Leona Heidern, Ralf Jones and Clark Still return on a new mission, joined by the mercenary Whip(pothole).
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters XIV: Whip(pothole), Ryuji Yamazaki, Vanessa and Rock Howard
- WMG.Ace Attorney: She charmed a national ambassador who's twice her age within hours, made even Franziska(pothole) and Detective Badd show softness with her.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 14th 2023 at 12:09:40 PM
(she/her)
Extended talk on creating new weapon tropes can go on Trope Sounding Board
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Fair, I can see now that a major core usage of this trope isn't being lost after all, or rather won't be entirely lost. So I'll leave any future thoughts for any future thread on the subject.
Edited by crystalevo on Apr 13th 2023 at 2:05:29 AM
....or if you believe there's a coherent archetype and can find the examples to back it up, you can take it to the Trope Launch Pad. This Is a Wiki. Waiting for a thread that may never even happen is far less effective than just...doing it yourself. Especially if you have a clear idea in mind.
Knight Bachelor
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Erik, you attempted to remake a cut trope with the same name as the old trope, even if you changed the definition slightly. That's all that happened.
Please don't spin this as though new weapon tropes can't be spun off in the TLP. A lot of them have. You're making a mountain out of an anthill over here.
You keep ignoring our points about why we can't just retool this trope as-is. The name will continue to attract misuse, and it's much easier to make trope concepts in the TLP than it is to tweak something that already exists.
Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 13th 2023 at 5:48:33 AM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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Alright, let's just focus on Whip It Good. TLP matters and how other weapon tropes are handled do not belong here. Complaining about past decisions isn't productive.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 13th 2023 at 6:00:32 AM
Macron's notes
Indiana Jones uses his whip to swing across gaps.
Hua from Shaolin Wuzang uses her whip like a grappling hook sometimes, swinging across a gap or grabbing onto an opponent.
Earthworm Jim uses his own worm body as a whip, and also to swing from points.
the Retromancer
There are plently of cases of whips used similarly to Grappling-Hook Pistol or Instant Knots, but that's a TLP question.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
(she/her)
There's also Building Swing but yeah that's for TLP.
Macron's notes
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Shit...so should I de-wick this from the Complete Monster examples?
(Also, if we're disambiguating, A Taste of the Lash should probably be included.)
Edited by ACW on Apr 14th 2023 at 7:34:54 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Yeah, you're gonna have to.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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The crowner won't be called until tomorrow though so I'd wait for that.
Macron's notes
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Oops, didn't see that there ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I wasn't gonna do it until tomorrow anyway, but I'll take care of it. It shouldn't be too bad.
I get a feeling the other weapon-related tropes may also need to get disambiged.
Edited by ACW on Apr 14th 2023 at 7:58:24 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Sandbox.Weapon Tropes Cleanup is where some of the problematic ones are being stored.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Calling in favor of disambiguating and Yarding Whip of Dominance.
You can't always get what you want.
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Disambiguating and Yarding are done, so just example cleanup is left.
You can't always get what you want.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'll take care of the CM stuff today.
EDIT: And done (in the Sandboxes at least).
Edited by ACW on Apr 15th 2023 at 10:04:15 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I am you
Something I wondered: Is their potential for a Whip Grip trope? As in using a whip Indiana Jones-style to grapple things?
the Retromancer
New ideas are for TLP, and we're in the cleanup phase now.
Edited by Amonimus on Apr 16th 2023 at 11:26:25 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Yeah, that would be a job for TLP, or you could add it to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard if you don't currently feel up to making the draft.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 16th 2023 at 4:07:31 AM
You can't always get what you want.
Also see this earlier post [1]
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Working on Main/ wicks. Down 3129.
Macron's notes
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Under 3000
Macron's notes
Crown Description:
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. A wick check determined that most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes. What should be done with Whip It Good?
I'm not opposed to making new tweapon identification splits and meaningful whip use tropes, but it would be for Trope Launch Pad and not this thread.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup