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MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3376: Mar 28th 2025 at 5:39:39 AM

And now the official complaining over Castorices global passive begins…

On a side note, I do wonder if I should grab E1 Ruan Mei or E0 Luocha (just to get another free character)

Edited by MB74 on Mar 28th 2025 at 8:57:00 AM

I’ll lift my face, and run to the sunlight.
Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
#3377: Mar 28th 2025 at 5:52:11 AM

[up] Ruan Mei's E1 is extremely strong for all teams. My issue is that I already have her E1 and her E2 sadly doesn't convert for FF so that holds no value for me, Luocha E1 however is also meh because I would only de-bench him for Castorice and she scales with HP.

There will also be a Top-up rewards event for buying Oneric Shards, which gives you another 5* Character Selector and enough of the new currencies to buy a selected standard 5* LC.

Edited by Kiefen on Mar 28th 2025 at 2:01:11 PM

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#3378: Mar 28th 2025 at 6:23:32 AM

Wooohoo, free E1 Ruan Mei! She'll officially be my most developed character at E1S1 since I have her LC already. The ninjutsu is going to be dazzling-er now.

Another free limited 5* promised, which I assume means something akin to Dr Ratio a year ago? That's nice.

Also, Seele and Fu Xuan on the standard banner is just fantastic, I have neither of them, so they won't be as disappointing as others when it comes to pity breaks. And if I understood properly we get to customize the seven units on our banner (so I guess it's out with Bailu, Yanqing and Gepard for me - at least until I finally get Welt, in which case I'll swap Gepard back).

Edit: and if you are only moderately excited about any announcement, do yourself a favor and do not go on reddit because if you needed a textbook definition of "impossible to please", the HSR subreddit would be it.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Mar 28th 2025 at 2:24:32 PM

MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3379: Mar 28th 2025 at 6:25:24 AM

Oh yeah, something to note but from the wording on the event isn’t "pick Luocha or Ruan Mei from 3.2-3.4" its "claim a token (that can be redeemed for Luocha or RM) during 3.2-3.4" which means you can just hold onto it and possibly wait for other characters to enter the shop.

Edited by MB74 on Mar 28th 2025 at 9:27:13 AM

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Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#3380: Mar 28th 2025 at 6:36:13 AM

True, although honestly, if you don't have Ruan Mei, passing on her in the hopes of getting a hypothetical future character does not sound wise unless you absolutely loathe her.

Only Robin rivals her when it comes to being HSR's Swiss Army Knife. The characters who don't like being supported by her can be counted on one hand (Clara and Yunli, because she stops enemies from moving so you don't get attacked as much).

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#3381: Mar 28th 2025 at 8:22:00 AM

Free Ruan Mei is nice. I won't be using her but I like her design so I'll take it.

Silver Wolf being part of the standard banner sounds nice, but unless they make it so you can have her as a reward for pulling 300 on standard banner it's not very helpful since you have no way to guarantee her. Same with other new additions to standard.

Don't really care about the buffs since I don't play SU/DU, MoC, Pure Fiction, etc.

Another free 5* that is new is also nice. Hoping it's not another make though. I have Ratio but I don't use him because I don't use most male characters. Probably wouldn't use a female one either but hopefully she'd at least be nice to look at.

Edited by Chariot on Mar 28th 2025 at 11:22:28 AM

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#3382: Mar 28th 2025 at 8:29:46 AM

Silver Wolf is not moving to the standard banner though.

  • Silver Wolf, Blade, Kafka and Jingliu will receive buffs in 3.4
  • Blade, Seele and Fu Xuan move to the pity pool - basically, you will get to choose 7 characters between the 7 Standards + those 3 to lose your 50/50 on. It means you can make sure three of them you won't get when you lose a 50/50.
    • For example, you can exclude Bailu, Clara and Yanqing to ensure you get an adult whenever you lose a 50/50.

But the standard banner remains standard. No reason to regret pulling Welt or Himeko last december because you could have had Fu Xuan instead.

Edit: I realized that during the second half of 3.2, the only limited 5* who will be available to pull will be the jerk teachers.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Mar 28th 2025 at 7:01:10 PM

SoaringEagle A figment of your imagination from A dream you had (Troper Youngling) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
A figment of your imagination
#3383: Mar 28th 2025 at 5:05:16 PM

alright, 2 things

first, it seems fugue is already getting a rerun, and we can redeem a free ruan mei during the anniversary. good for me, because i was inspired to make a break team with sushang work

second, i’d like to volunteer to clean up the game breaker page. make every entry more concise and remove who doesn’t qualify. i want to settle this once and for all. so, who should i keep and remove?

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#3384: Mar 28th 2025 at 5:56:55 PM

For the characters, I'd say keep Ruan Mei, Acheron, and Firefly. They actually did represent significant jumps in power

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#3385: Mar 28th 2025 at 6:37:40 PM

My personal rankings, worth exactly my opinion, although I'm trying to be as objective as possible:

  • Too fucking early
    • Mydei. Like, he's been out for three days and there has been zero endgame content to try him out. People have spent much more time whining about his gameplay than saying he's OP.
  • Can stay, but it's still very fucking early
    • Tribbie. She's very good, but whether she breaks the game or not, I'm not sure. She feels slightly less powerful than Robin overall to me, even if she shines with Ultimate-heavy units.
  • Worth their position IMO
    • Firefly. 10 months later she can still clear a ton of things with two free teammates - and now three with the gifted Ruan Mei.
    • Robin. 10 months later, full party advance still warps the way the game is played. Excels both at 0-cycling and for a large variety of teams - hypercarry, follow-up, and now Erudition.
    • The Herta. She can do everything very well, even without an ice weakness, due to her massive firepower both single-target and AOE. Plus she has godly utility outside of combat.
  • Might stay, not entirely sure
    • Sunday. I don't have him, and I don't have Aglaea, so it's hard to say, but he looks super, super powerful no matter which hypercarry we're talking about. The energy regen is just icing on the cake for a Bronya Plus.
    • Lingsha. I barely invested in her, and she's been by far the easiest support to use as long as you don't need an uber-SP positive sustain. She deals massive, massive damage for a sustain, and enables two of the most broken units in the game (Herta and Firefly), on top of just being great at keeping everybody alive at all costs. Fuyuan is just amazing. But still...she doesn't break the game, she just makes it significantly more comfy.
  • Might stay but is not super dominant anymore
    • Feixiao. Single Target, hits super hard, as soon as there are several enemies to hit she struggles (and it seems to be the direction of the game). Still extremely good.
    • Ruan Mei. Easiest support to use in the game, and break efficiency will never not be good, but I'm not sure she still qualifies.
    • Acheron. See Feixiao, but with Splash damage. She scales quite well with any defence shredder though, so she is pretty easy to slot in a team (...if you have her at E2, else you need 2 Nihility units, which is not always that easy).
    • Aventurine. I think Lingsha powercrept him to be fair.
  • Might have deserved a position in the past but not anymore
    • Fu Xuan. Still very good. Absolutely does not break the game now that Lingsha and Aventurine exist.
  • Should never have been added in the first place
    • March 7th Hunt. She is a very good free unit, she absolutely does not break the game.
    • Herta. See March 7th Hunt.
    • Harmony TB. Again, excellent free units don't break the game.
    • Gallagher. Same thing.
    • Remembrance TB. Like seriously
    • Topaz. Fits in many teams, only OP to kill trotters, not enough to be a Game Breaker (and powercrept by Feixiao anyway for trotter murder)
    • Black Swan. And...
    • Kafka. Two for the price of one. DOT has never broken the game in any shape or form. And they need each other - I can hear the argument for a Herta who needs a free Serval to destroy everything, but if you need another premium unit to perform normally, you have nothing to do here.
    • Fugue. If I was subjective she would be SSS-tier because I find her to be the most gorgeous character in the game, and I love using her, but she doesn't break the game. At best she enables Rappa and Himeko, neither of which deserve a mention here.
    • Jiaoqiu. I agree that Foxians are the best race, but being fantastic enablers for one specific character does not break the game. It's actually the point of the game to find good synergies.
    • Huohuo. She's adorable but she has never broken the game. On the contrary, she belongs to "very well designed units" because she has always kept her high tier without making anybody mad at her abilities. AOE Energy regen will always have its uses.

For the rest of the page...

  • SU
    • Abundance: NO. Like, it's one of the worst paths! Even if you don't die, the game takes ages to do anything on higher difficulties. Doing one Abundance run takes as long as doing two or three Hunt or Nihility ones.
    • Erudition: Lots of uses, but if your units aren't that great, it's not this Path that will make them bust the game. I would only keep the caveat that Feixiao is completely busted with it because she can get infinite Ult charges if she keeps breaking enemies due to being able to store 2 ults (enough for 50+50% Brain in a Jar)
    • Nihility: In SU, I think it deserves a spot, although I'd understand people thinking otherwise. Nihility has some of the best all-around blessings even if you don't have Kafka to detonate all the dot.
    • Preservation: Yeah. It's the easiest way to be invincible and deal ungodly damage while leaving your brain on autopilot. Safest pick.
    • Propagation: Like Erudition, requires a great unit to break the game. Also, breaking the game is kind of SU's point, and Propagation is absolutely not the easiest way to do it.
    • Remembrance: Honestly, if the list was only Preservation & Remembrance, I would be okay with it. I cleared absolutely all game mods with just Gepard or March 7th and Remembrance stacking. The damage is disgusting, and you only lose if you meet Cocolia, or one of the two ice-immune elites. Everything else is fair game.
    • Path Blessings: entire folder should be ditched, because aside from being super heavy to read, I'm not even sure ordering them by name makes any sense. I know the effects of all SU/DU blessings after farming them so much, but I still have no idea what their names are. That's kinda ranking the emblem characters in Fire Emblem Engage by the name of their weapons: not what people look at.
      • If I had to keep one, it would be the 3* Hunt that gives a free turn on enemy break. It's never not excellent, and it very often breaks the run even on super high difficulties due to the freedom it offers in turns.
    • Curios: Typical Genius Society Gossip can stay, the others can safely be removed.
    • Dices: Only the Countdown ones should stay, because they indeed break the system. The others require specific setups and don't always work.
    • Components & Scepters from UD: I don't think anything accelerates this game mode enough to warrant the "Game Breaker" label honestly.
    • Occurrence: Ruan Mei can stay. It's designed to break the game, hence why it's so absurdly rare.
  • DU: Human Comedy
    • 3 star equations should not be there. The point is that they're super powerful due to being hard to complete.
    • Rubert's Difference machine & Written in Water can stay, because the latter is an unbelievable QOL that allows you to pretty much ignore 95% of negative occurrences and curios, and the former breaks the game like the Ruan Mei occurrence (but is also very hard to get, and risky).
  • DU: Protean Hero
    • I've farmed it like a madman and I think it's the least unbalanced mode so far. There are reliable ways to clear it on higher difficulties, but only Rubert guarantees it. They've even nerfed the most obviously OP Curios, so it should be a blank folder, or merged within DU.
  • Miscellaneous: Relics and Planar Ornaments
    • Unless there was a set that allowed you to pick the stat lines, they don't belong on this page.
    • Other: I don't know those modes well enough to give my opinion.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Mar 28th 2025 at 2:38:29 PM

MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3386: Mar 28th 2025 at 6:47:04 PM

Mostly agree with [up], with a single note. Considering you gain the propagation path by beating Swarm Disaster, couldn’t it possibly be considered Purposefully Overpowered?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#3387: Mar 28th 2025 at 7:07:53 PM

Firefly, Ruan Mei and Robin are the only ones I think should be listed. They have stayed useful consistently overtime.

Feixiao, no. They are nerfing characters like Tribbie specifically so they cant be it. Aventurine would have earned a spot but next patch they are adding enemies that ignore shields so... he aint anything anymore.

Edited by Memers on Mar 28th 2025 at 7:08:19 AM

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#3388: Mar 28th 2025 at 7:29:35 PM

We've been specifically told that we're not supposed to drop things from the list because they're not useful anymore...

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#3389: Mar 28th 2025 at 7:33:32 PM

I'd say if the devs have to add stuff specifically designed to counter them, they still count

Like, it's anti barrier stuff in general but let's be real they aren't doing this cuz of how strong Gepard's shields are

Edited by asterism on Mar 28th 2025 at 2:34:31 PM

Bewitching Eyes
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#3390: Mar 28th 2025 at 7:42:02 PM

[up][up] If that's the case then every limited character in the game should be on the list. They all were insane the patch they came out.

Literally throw the entire roster on it.

[up] It counters ALL shielders... Preservation Trailblazer, Gepard, Preservation March 7th. Specifically cause Hyacine is a healer and they want her to be queen for that patch. Then... they will add more enemies which negate healing specifically to make Shielders more valuable when the next shielder comes out.

Its a cycle hoyo did with Genshin too. They added wolfhounds that negated shields and damaged the entire party's health... then they added the Bond of Life mechanic which made shields more valuable..

SoaringEagle A figment of your imagination from A dream you had (Troper Youngling) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
A figment of your imagination
#3391: Mar 28th 2025 at 7:57:17 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] thanks for the rundown, appreciated. i can rewrite the character listings, but i’m not knowledgable enough on SU or DU to rewrite them. but at the very least, i can delete the SU and DU entries that don’t belong anymore

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MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3392: Mar 28th 2025 at 8:20:11 PM

[up][up] Are we taking into account the Character Shilling done in endgame modes as "insane when they came out"?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#3393: Mar 28th 2025 at 8:45:15 PM

The 4 endgame modes are the only place where it actually matters but even outside them, enemies are specifically designed to be countered by the characters released that patch. Like Argenti is designed to be countered by... Argenti as he was released that patch.

Same goes for this latest patch, Flame Reaver is designed to be countered by The Herta Tribbie and Aglaea.

Next patch its going to be enemies that modify health and are countered by Tribbie, Mydei and Castorice.

Thats what Star Rail does, they design the content around who is newest. Those characters will always be gamebreakers for said patch and patch after... its only gotten more blatant and excessive with 3.X.

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#3394: Mar 28th 2025 at 8:55:49 PM

But with that said, there are certain characters who break out of their niche and manage to invalidate other types of content as well. I personally think that Aventurine should count, as someone who has used him as a win-con for many pieces of content I had no business clearing, but I'm frankly not nearly as versed in the meta-game as I would want to be to contest any tier placements.

Does anyone actually read these?
Ner0014reN Since: Aug, 2023
#3395: Mar 28th 2025 at 9:08:49 PM

~Soaring Eagle

What beef are you having with the page? Game-Breaker is YMMV for a reason. If you disagree with anything there, just say you disagree and then move on

The only time they can change is there's something factually wrong written in there

SoaringEagle A figment of your imagination from A dream you had (Troper Youngling) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
A figment of your imagination
#3396: Mar 28th 2025 at 9:25:05 PM

[up] my “beef” with it is that it’s been unconcise and wordy for a long time, nothing like genshin’s own game breaker page. and it’s almost predictable how the newest 5* units are immediately added to the page the minute they come out. not all of them are game-breakingly OP and deserve to be put at the top of the tier lists just because they’re the new hotness. that’s why a cleanup was in order

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Ner0014reN Since: Aug, 2023
#3397: Mar 28th 2025 at 11:09:29 PM

Ain't no rules against wordiness here, is there? (Though I'm at least partial to shortening them)

If I'm being honest, I'm not seeing Mydei as a Game-Breaker either (I have him and like him regardless), but I'm not gonna do anything to his entry there

Any "opinion-based" cleanup for a YMMV page is pointless, I'm telling you

Billy5545 An eagle from The sky Since: Nov, 2017
An eagle
#3398: Mar 28th 2025 at 11:15:32 PM

[up][up] Speaking of, I'm sorry for this long overdue post that's a bit offtopic, but Ner0 strike me a bit of the wrong way for accusing other editors of acting in bad faith and sometimes even leaving rude edit reasons to call them out when that's not needed and the guy's already gotten into problem for it once. I also remember when another editor here brought up how edits can be overwritten and Ner0 downplayed the problem and tell said editor to simply edit them out in a way that implies the editor is a part of the problem and that they're whiny, when the problem is other editors removing the fix/edit even with reasons given out and thus the actual solution needed is a discussion through the discussion page or PM to be on one page.

Edited by Billy5545 on Mar 29th 2025 at 1:15:42 AM

Just an eagle. Feel free to PM me. Proposed pages in my sandbox are free to create/edit.
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#3399: Mar 28th 2025 at 11:26:55 PM

Thats what Star Rail does, they design the content around who is newest. Those characters will always be gamebreakers for said patch and patch after.

They are, by definition, not breaking the game if the game is designed around them

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#3400: Mar 29th 2025 at 4:41:40 AM

Ain't no rules against wordiness here, is there?

The rule is that even if it is YMMV, the page is still supposed to be a wiki, designed for somebody unfamiliar with the game to understand what makes something too powerful for its own good. So it should be easy to read.

Using the full name of SU's blessings, for example, makes everything pointlessly bloated. One example for the path of Preservation:

If you have any of the 5-star shielding units (i.e. Gepard, Aventurine), this path becomes game-breakingly powerful. The blessing Divine Construct: Metastatic Field causes shielded allies to retaliate with a powerful Counter-Attack against the enemy whenever they get hit for 340% of the remaining shield value. Enhanced, this spikes up to 420% of the shield before it gets reduced by incoming damage. When the enemy uses an AOE attack, they take Quake from each shielded ally hit, which results in massive recoil damage. Compounded with additional Preservation blessings, it's quite the glorious sight to watch the enemy basically kill themselves trying to break through your shielders' supreme defenses. That's not even getting into the Path Resonance, which deals massive damage based on total shield value, and can be upgraded to be a guaranteed critical hit with Resonance Formation: Zero-Dimensional, and further increases in critical damage based on how many allies are shielded and made into a borderline Spam Attack with Resonance Formation: Isomorphous Reaction refilling a small portion of the Resonance Energy bar every time a shield is applied, which both Preservation characters and Blessings can compound on into nearly a dozen activations each turn.

It's a lot of words to basically say...

A 3* Preservation blessing can grant you the Quake buff which will deal large amounts of damage whenever an enemy hits a shielded character, and scales extremely well at high difficulties where the enemies hit hard and often as long as you have a character able to regularly reapply shields, like Gepard or Aventurine. Most other Preservation blessings will thus increase both the survivability of the team by making the shields bigger, and the damage inflicted by Quake each time a character is hit.

You don't need to know that it's named "Divine Construct: Metastatic Field". Hell, I'm sure most people who play the game don't know the name of that blessing - they know its effect though. It's "Quake" that makes Preservation busted, and it should be clearly emphasized for any reader.

Also, there are far too many entries that have a LOT of caveats. If you need E1, or E2, or a premium partner for the unit to break the game...then it's working as intended. In every game ever if you invest a lot of time and resources into a singular item/character then you will get something extremely powerful, it's a basic gameplay loop - so mentioning that E2 Feixiao is cracked is like...yeah, sure, but on average it's worth about 300-350 pulls, which is 30 to 50% of what you get each year. Having to save that much to get this result is not a Game-Breaker.


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