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BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#226: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:01:15 PM
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#227: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:02:08 PM

stop it with the acronyms!

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BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#229: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:05:24 PM

stop it or Gwen Stacy dies!

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BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#230: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:10:03 PM

That’s not Gwen Stacy. That’s Kamala Kahn…

Yeah I’m still bitter about that.

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#231: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:10:15 PM

It is pretty crazy that they went with a D-list bad guy as the main villain.

BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#232: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:11:14 PM

It was Arad’s idea and Lord and Miller did the research and decided he was onto something. The whole idea was he was a D-List villain going A-List.

You’re Gonna Carry That Weight.
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#233: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:20:47 PM

I do wish some of Miles' own rogues gallery had played a bigger role in this one beyond the two versions of the Prowler. Although I thought I could see the Snatcher from Ahmed's run during Miles' introductory montage.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#234: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:23:28 PM

[ Good to know Miguel believes in ACAB.

This joke has such irony to it because Miguel and the Spider-Society give such cop energy in this movie.

With that being said, I saw it again and my feelings are pretty much the same. I love this movie, but Peter Parker being okay with letting people die without even challenging Miguel’s ideology still seems very out of character. And it’s especially weird when you realize quite a bit of the things he says is is extremely flawed. It makes Miles look good, though.

It’s a testament to how good the rest of the movie is that I’m able to enjoy literally every other aspect of it, as opposed to NWH where the writing for Peter’s character just makes me mad. Also, it’s crazy how much Miguel just already hated Miles even before meeting him.

Another thing, you catch a LOT of foreshadowing in this film when you watch it a second time. There is a glimpse of Earth-42 Miles during one of Spot’s visual explanations. There’s Jeff saying that Miles takes after his uncle in the beginning at the conference. The fact that Spot’s final form looks like Miles’ graffiti mural. Very well done.

Edited by deuteragonist on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:26:12 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#235: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:45:31 PM

For anyone interested in more Spider-Punk stuff, Cody Ziglar, who wrote a 5 issue miniseries about him last year and made a whole Spotify playlist for the character along with a short breakdown of said playlist.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#236: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:05:53 PM

I have a question. Was the trans rights flag just for that one scene or is Gwen trans in this universe?

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#237: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:08:28 PM

[up]It's a one-scene thing. I'm pretty she's just an ally. There are parallels like Diana says [down] but I personally don't think it's meant to be literal.

Edited by lbssb on Jun 4th 2023 at 6:10:09 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#238: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:08:52 PM

Considering a lot of the coding going on with Gwen and her relationship with her dad, she might actually be trans here? There's parallels but the colors are what tips it off.

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#239: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:09:17 PM

Say it, generally enjoyed it, despite it making use of several story beats (the spectacle of the Spider Society vs Miles battle was great, but wow did it break my suspension of disbelief pretty badly, the whole 'canon' thing sets up what is transparently going to be a false moral choice (dad vs universe) and the moment I heard Miguel say something was classified and that he was the leader of an organization I knew he would prove to be either a dupe or a bad guy, because for all the film's complaints about 'canon' it sticks to certain metatextual beats quite rigidly) I generally despise and, in my view, treating the rest of the characters pretty badly to prop up Miles as a singular hero, which wasn't really needed. Still, that's mostly fixed by the ending. After building up Gwen-Miles for most of the film, the little moments of what felt like shiptease with Spider-Byte were unusual, so maybe they'll go with the more realistic, but less common, 'love doesn't conquer all, don't get together with someone who lies to you, betrays you, and recommends keeping secrets from your family due to their own emotional issues, even if they regret it later, date someone else, also you're like 15, don't be in a massive hurry to settle down.'

Going in without knowing this was part 1 of 2, the pacing felt extremely odd (in fact, I literally said, 'well, that was a good half of a movie' as I walked out of the theater) but I can't tell how much that's just on my changing expectations versus the actual movie, after all the ending here is actually very Empire Strikes Back, which didn't feel like half a movie to me, but then again, I could just go right to the next one there, while here there's a nine month wait, for me and I also knew it was the second part of a trilogy going in, think it's just a matter of expectations management Think calling this part 1 of 2 or something would have helped me, though I didn't see much advertising of it, so maybe I was just ignorant.

Feels very hard to evaluate without seeing the next one and knowing whether they stick the landing.

Edited by ECD on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:11:03 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#240: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:12:10 PM

Apparently her father is actually wearing a small trans pride pin on his clothes.

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#241: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:13:55 PM

Whether she was meant to or not, Gwen is the trans superhero we deserve. Well, by the end at least.

Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#242: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:19:14 PM

Referring if Gwen is Trans or not, I have a question: Is this Movie going to be published in China?. If the answer is yes, then no, she's not.

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#243: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:22:14 PM

That just means if she's revealed as trans, it will be revealed in a way that can be easily censored. The trans flags are a Freeze-Frame Bonus, and any explicit dialogue can be easily altered in a dub. If the writers want to make trans Gwen, the only think they'd have to avoid is crucial scenes of her pre-transition.

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#244: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:23:00 PM

First though, does Miles have his face shown on the poster?

No Im serious, does he?

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#245: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:23:07 PM

[up][up][up]Well, they could all-too-easily edit out the iconography. It’s very noncommittal.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jun 4th 2023 at 6:23:17 AM

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#246: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:23:36 PM

Referring if Gwen is Trans or not, I have a question: Is this Movie going to be published in China?. If the answer is yes, then no, she's not.

Yeah, uh, no, that's not how it works.

There's obvious coding and hints that point to it.

Edward45 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#247: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:27:12 PM

Yeah, vague hints which can be easily dismised. That's exactly why they did it.

Serious question, if they reveal that Gwen is trans, are you absolutely sure that China wouldn't ban that movie?.

Edited by Edward45 on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:27:45 AM

NotGrantMorrison Since: Jul, 2014
#248: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:31:12 PM

Personally I think the "Canon" event concept works better in time travel stories than AU ones.

Like I can see Brainiac 5 trying to stop Flash from saving Krypton from blowing up because otherwise there is no Superman and therefore no JLA or legion . That's a pretty straightforward cause and effect. But here they have to add The Universe explodes if Stacy doesn't die as an external cosmic punishment to make the plot work.

Edited by NotGrantMorrison on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:31:27 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#249: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:36:31 PM

Yeah, vague hints which can be easily dismised. That's exactly why they did it.

The coding parallels veer beyond vague hints.

Serious question, if they reveal that Gwen is trans, are you absolutely sure that China wouldn't ban that movie?.

I never said anything otherwise?

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#250: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:37:58 PM

It is pretty crazy that they went with a D-list bad guy as the main villain.
Tbf I think this is a good idea. And I hope it gets imported to the comics. Miles deserves to have rogues of his own other than Prowler and Spot has such a cool power set that his a Shme they don't do more with him. So could easily be imported to him.

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