Oftentimes here in Trope Talk, we get questions about whether or not a given trope is tropeworthy enough, or is an example of the kind of non-tropes discussed in People Sit on Chairs. These threads are extremely frequent, and per discussion
in the TRS meta thread, this megathread was created.
This will be a centralized place to ask: is this article I found tropeworthy? Does it convey meaning or is it used to tell the story, or is it just something that happens to exist in a work? Ask here, and hopefully you will get the answers you need.
Remember, something that is "(people sit on) chairs" means it's happenstance or conveys no meaning. Something that also happens in real life, is common, is rare, or seems minor is not the same as being chairs.
As an additional note, keep this in mind when bringing tropes in, as noted by amathieu13:
Edited by Tabs on Oct 29th 2023 at 10:08:41 AM
Thong of Shielding, from the description and looking at the examples, comes off as character in a thong/g-string. Is there anything more substantial here or...?
It seems to be about... what Precision F-Strike used to sort of be about, which is a discussion of a specific, uh Censorship Topic Thing and how works abide by them, which isn't really tropeworthy in practice.
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Any wick check needed for Cuffs Off Rub Wrists?
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Check whether the examples are chairs-y and have context or not.
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Double post, but is Gold Tooth "an indicator of villainy and/or wealth" and does it allow silver tooth examples or is just "a character has a gold tooth" like the laconic says (ofc laconics aren't always trustworthy but they can cause misuse)? It has a broad non-specific name if it's the former.
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Is Sentenced to Down Under tropeworthy? The description itself says it is something that happened in real life and that the purpose of the trope is collecting moments on fiction in which this event happens.
Edited by good-morning on Mar 4th 2023 at 12:38:46 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "gold teeth = wealth and status and often corruption/villainy" but the description is kind of just listing out all of the different meanings gold teeth can have. And simply "character has gold teeth" isn't a trope in of itself since a character can have it for fully mundane reasons "gold being a material used in the old days for fake teeth and fillings" and more meaningful ones.
I'd do a check to see trope usage
I think it's an acceptable narrative trope. People Sit on Chairs isn't "thing that also happens IRL", it's "thing that happens that is incidental to the story telling". The two often overlap, but they're distinct. Being sent to Australia for a crime is relevant to the narrative as a Cruel And Unusual punishment.
Edited by amathieu13 on Mar 4th 2023 at 11:02:34 AM
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I've used Gold Tooth as an indication that a character is evil based on the trope image (he has somewhat of a slasher/evil smile), but the description isn't clear on whether this is about gold teeth signifyung villainy, wealth, or both. Most examples I came across are "X is evil/a gangster and has a gold tooth" and ZCEs but I might do a wick check when I have time.
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Maybe not rich and evil, necessarily, but I'd say rich and sleazy? A missing tooth suggests a violent backstory, and filling it with gold suggests not just wealth, but also a certain pride in however they lost it.
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Yeah, I could see it working as something like Sleazy Gold Tooth cuz of the violent connotation.
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yeah, I was really leaning more towards corrupt/sleazy as opposed to outright evil or villainous, and the gold teeth being one of the most ostentatious ways of flaunting your corruption: so wealthy that you get gold teeth as a permanent status symbol. Not that different from how wearing gold grillz became a popular status symbol in hip hop/rap/hood circles over the last 15-20 years.
Edited by amathieu13 on Mar 5th 2023 at 3:15:23 PM
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I'm going with what the description states it means, and "villan," "ostentataion," and "greed" are what the trope says gold teeth mean. So far I haven't seen sleazy or amoral characters show up in my wick check, only evil/gangster/villain, and I've come across a morally good character too, so I'm not sure a violent backstory is always associated with it (maybe it was just a boring accident and the character is rich enough and showy to afford it).
I'm looking at the original YKTTW and I definitely get the sense it was originally meant to be "gold teeth exist".
This means a wick check is needed to identify if there're any non-Chairs definitions that can be salvaged from it.
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Done here. It's a ZCE magnet indeed, with just about 7 examples of significance/meaning, excluding indexes. I wanna put it on the TRS queue, but I worry about making it longer than it already is.
I genuinely don't consider TRS Queue length an issue. All it shows is that there are lots of tropes that need fixing. You're going to take it to TRS eventually anyways so why not ensure that the thread gets made by putting yourself down? It also shows others who may also think there's a problem with the trope that it's already on the path to getting discussed. If you don't want to add to it because you have other things you want to get done though, that's fair, though I can't imagine we'd get to it within the next 2 months.
Edited by amathieu13 on Mar 5th 2023 at 1:19:54 PM
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Okay, you have a point. I have other tropes wick checked that I postponed due to the queue's length, but I added this one since it's an easy and quick thread anyway.
Is Sniper Rifle tropeworthy? Seems like an obvious chair, but I remember a lot of weapon tropes were being reworked or cut yet this one remains. Was it missed or has nobody gotten to it yet?
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It's simply because no one has gotten to the rest of the weapon tropes yet. Only a few of the ones with tropeworthiness issues went to TRS so far.
As for Sniper Rifle, the trope in practice seems to just be the weapon itself.
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Didn't realize this thread exists, so I will add something I posted here.
Sled Dogs Through the Snow seems to just be "sled dogs exist", rather than having any narrative purpose behind it.
Hanging Around seems to just be "someone is hanged", rather than having anything about the narrative purpose of this.
I’ll echo what amathieu says here about distinguishing things that happen IRL from chairs. Both descriptions talk about about how they characterize a setting (unrealistically common snowy transportation, a grisly and public way of killing), so I don’t think they’re chairs in theory.
Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 5th 2023 at 10:25:38 AM
Reposting what I said on the thread for the former page before checking if it was reposted here:
Yeah, IDK if this can be pinned somewhere but a trope not being chairs/being deemed tropeworthy =/= the trope lacks any and all issues. It just means that the idea itself is fine in theory.
The execution/how that idea is being interpreted by other users is another matter.
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I could add it to the OP and we could pin the OP.
Work Info Title though, since it's obviously a show? Gonna continue the topic on the other thread.
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Wedding Enhanced Fertility. Only 60 wicks, I guess I'll do all of them eventually, at... Wick Enhanced Check?
Edited by Malady on Mar 4th 2023 at 7:49:56 AM
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