I'm not sure. I haven't consumed works using this trope so I can't tell if it's typically a males-only trope. Does it not happen with women? I suppose this happening between opposite sexes would be too rare. But there might be some justification for why it's exclusive to men that the description should've included if it was going to be one-gender-specific.
Uncanny Valley Hot Babes in Your Area Are Looking To Know YOU! Click Here to Sign Up for FREE! | Not quite back tbh. Don't expect much.Also don't see why this should be gender-specific, or even have both members be of the same gender, as this dynamic could happen with any combination of genders. It's a pretty old trope (from 2008), so might be a leftover from when it was made that was never changed?
Edited by Zanreo on Jan 20th 2023 at 1:26:43 PM
My favorite failed console tbhIt looks like almost all of the examples actually are male, but that might just be because of that restriction - Wicked and She-Ra and the Princesses of Power seem like typical examples otherwise.
Name is pretty unindicative, though. How well-wicked is this trope for its age? I'd kind of like to see it expanded into a broader trope as Reformer Versus Revolutionary (Vs Status Quo) and included in Philosophy Tropes as well as Foil.
Edited by Noaqiyeum on Jan 20th 2023 at 4:19:39 PM
ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NONotably, the oldest version of the page in the Internet Archive
seemingly describes it as anime-specific and the line that's still the last line of the description almost seems to encourage ZCEs.
Edited by MorganWick on Jan 21st 2023 at 12:21:44 PM
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I don't think Reformer Vs Revolutionary would be accurate because some of the examples have the inside man be loyal to the cause and not trying to reform anything (though others do have them staying since they think reforming from the inside would be better).
So do I have permission to maybe bring up in trope description improvement that this should no longer say the characters have to be male, and maybe discuss further changes somewhere later? If someone has a plan for a Trope repair shop thread for this tell me.
I'm not planning on taking this to TRS, but any major changes to a trope's scope would need a TRS thread, not a description improvement because expnading a trope is a TRS action.
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The description for Outside Man, Inside Man specifies that it refers to "two male friends", however it is not listed under Always Male and there are female examples listed. I don't see why the characters should have to be male, there's nothing gender-specific about this character setup.