Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
"Yeah, Sophia is a tough one but I do think I'd lean No on her, great effort though!"
Thanks. I probably would lean no myself, so I totally get it lol
Edit: Pagetopper, added context.
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Galan Dracos and Crynus
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"Pretty hard to top villains who destroy entire worlds" how about those who destroy entire universes, multiverses and omniverses? Not in this work but I'm 99% sure there are multiple around, including one in a silly-looking Waifu Gacha smartphone game from what I heard...
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jul 24th 2023 at 7:05:30 PM
Good morning, guys. Noticed we had a bit of a disturbing trend of some sexually abusive parents, and I had a couple on my to-do list.
What is the work?
Nightmare Reaper is a FPS action horror game. You play as an unnamed female patient packed with mental issues due to a horrifically abusive upbringing. She slaughteres her inner demons in her dreams in the hopes she can be freed from the shackles of her traumatic past.
The cause of her traumatic past is today's candidate!
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
The Patient's Unnamed mother is a drug addict and she and her husband are described by the doctor as "more akin to beast than men". Treating the girl who would become the patient no better than an animal, she would chain her up in a room, keep her uneducated, and physically abuse her along with her husband.
When the Patient reached her teenage years is when the mother began to pimp her out to whoever had the drug money to fuel her addiction. Eventually, the patient was able to escape (possibly by killing her mother, as her father had been killed prior) and went on to do "unforgivable things" due to being unable to survive in the world with no knowledge and her own misanthropy that had developed because of her mother.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Okay, so while no to either, what the real problem is the fact that characterization in this story is done in a very Dark Souls manner. We don't see these actions or characters, but we are told the patient's story through notes (link to all of them here
). The mother is a selfish, abusive drug addict who sold her own daughter as Sex Slave to get money for no other reason than to fuel her addiction.
While we are thankfully spared seeing the abusive itself, the game doesn't hide how it effected the girl, her innocence screaming throughout the levels and during Gamboy-style levels you find the corpse of the patient ("Sorry, she isn’t here") and her overall insanity really shows the result of the abuse she endured.
Are they bad enough?
This is the easy part. NR has a very low heinous standard, with the father being abusive, but frequently locked up in prison, having an apparent Freduian Excuse of his own, and lacking the mother's more depraved crimes means he doesn't make the cut.
Also, the doctor does do a pretty morally dubious thing, basically crafting a Split Personality he expects to slaughter the patient's inner demons and then kill herself, but it’s all for the Patient's benefit.
The others, as the doctor calls them, are the doctors failed attempts at crafting the player character, but for the most part are mindless beings who are keeping the girl's innocence locked up. They're all in her head, just like the PC.
Final verdict?
I think she gets a yes.Yes to the mother
Here’s the Write Up for the last of my guys:
- “No Sanctuary”: The Crazed Man was a horrid leader of a group who took over Terminus after being let in gracefully, trapping everyone while murdering and torturing people and raping the women, including the leader Mary, and in a flashback in which he tosses Mary back in after a session and has his men drag a woman out, he laughs at Gareth and Alex misery and hits them. A completely sadistic maniac, he is the direct cause towards Terminus being the cannibalistic community who’ll kill any group that doesn’t join to keep themselves safe.
- “Outpost 22” and “Faith”: The Warden is the abusive Commanding Officer of Commonwealth and the leader of Outpost 22, which he took over of Alexandria, which subjected all the prisoners to severe slave labor and abuse, torturing and executing them for the smallest infractions, and he completely strips all of them of their identity to psychologically break them, while being an abusive boss. He shows to be completely feared, with prisoners being so afraid that they are willing to kill themselves so they don’t face The Warden’s wrath. With the intent to break Negan, he attempts to kill his pregnant wife to spite him, before attempting to brutally suppress a rebellion and calling for their execution. A sadistic and ruthless tyrant, The Warden ultimately serves as who Negan would’ve been if he shedded his humanity.
- Mr. Walker is Charlie’s sexually abusive foster father who indirectly causes the events of the fourth film. He sexually and physically abused his son Kris, which lead to him drowning himself at 13, and he hid the note. He then proceeded to abuse Charlie when he was put into his care, leading Charlie to self harm and him to become manipulated into committing a murder spree by Jill. Despite his arrest, nothing will stop Mr. Walker from preying on innocent children once he’s released.
- Jill Roberts manages to be worst than her original counterpart. After finding out about Charlie’s sexual abuse from his adopted father, manipulates him using love and compassion to get him to be a serial killer, murdering 9 people together, including her own mother, before she ruthlessly slaughters him without a second thought.
Edited by MermaidEyes15 on Jul 24th 2023 at 8:26:22 AM
Should Walker go before Jill?
Also, please add to the Drafts. Jill has her own character page.
Edited by ACW on Jul 24th 2023 at 8:42:43 AM
Okay, so with Galan Dracos and Crynus... why are they being conflated into one post? Dracos is a ridiculously easy yes vote (he actually has a whole nother book to some extent, too), but Crynus - while he does technically serve the former - is more defined by being a borderline unkillable Blood Knight than anything else, IIRC. He doesn't actually get that much focus.
Because I wanted to do them both at once. Crynus is the leader of Takhisis's military forces and we see the ravages they commit in both the book, the side materials and short stories. He only appears in Huma, but all of the war crimes, ravages, and massive destruction plus the ultimate plan is shared between him and Galan who is stated to be Crynus's rival, not his ranking superior.
Since no one has reserved it, I’m gonna be reserving any potential upcoming candidates from SMG4 series, due to the newest arc coming up. As well as Glitch’s Newest Production The Amazing Digital Circus. Is that okay?
Edited by MermaidEyes15 on Jul 24th 2023 at 12:19:47 PM
As someone who EP'd someone from SMG 4 before, I wouldn't recommend doing that. As for Digital Circus, I would wait for release date to be revealed before doing that.
I’d argue that originally speaking the setting prevented anyone from counting, but after The Cosmology Arc, the show is genuinely in a new direction which I do at least think could have contenders if they pop up. If you’re speaking about Tone wise at least, espically due do the latest candidate having almost no comedic moments (although prevented due to his sympathetic death). Heinous Standard is a different story I admit, but I don’t think it’s beyond that bad imo. Although with that said, I don’t doubt if nothing does come from it, I won’t press on it.
Edited by MermaidEyes15 on Jul 24th 2023 at 12:40:39 PM

Double, blanked
Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 23rd 2023 at 10:59:27 AM
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