Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
Geeze, they somehow made Carnage a bigger threat while toning him down.
Also, a trimmed Ruvius:
- Piggy fanfic PIGGY:The Whole Bloody Deal-TV Series (link
): Ruvius Rat is even worse than his original Antflix counterpart. In this series, Ruvius is the murderous and power-hungry Mayor of Lucella and the treacherous father of Ollie and Raven Rat, who has succumbed to greed, lust for power, and a desire to be the one god of a new Lucella written in his totalitarian image. Later, Ruvius takes over Lucella and crushes it under his heel as revenge for Maximus's childhood success at [the cost of his own. After that, Ruvius kills his wife after his daughter Raven failed to meet his standards compared to Ollie, who he beats constantly due to his treacherous behaviour. After going on a rampage with Raven which kills all of Mateo's siblings just to spite his long-time rival Maximus, Ruvius helps TIO begin the infection in Lucella by corrupting Mr P's cure for his sick wife, causing the countless deaths depicted in the entire city, ultimately causing the Battle of Lucella, which eventually costs him his own daughter Raven, as well as multiple allies. Ruvius's final plan comes into effect by seeking to use Mateo's blood to control the infected and then goes on a rampage during the Battle of Lucella once Mateo escapes, murdering Giraffy just for being in his way.
Edited by ACW on May 31st 2024 at 4:29:27 AM
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Monsters at Work isn't a new adaptation of Monsters, Inc., it's a sequel. Generally, when a CM candidate is the same character from the same adaptation, new stuff they do gets added to their old writeup if one exists.
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My inner grammarian wants to reword this to be a little more readable. It's 209 words, which seems a little long. How about this? It's down to 156 words and keeps the broad strokes.
- Ruvius Rat, the murderous mayor of Lucella, is even worse than his Antflix counterpart. Nursing an envious grudge against Maximus since childhood, Ruvius takes control of the city by force and goes on a violent rampage with his daughter Raven, killing Mateo's siblings, just to get revenge for Maximus's success at his expense. Ruvius uses his own family as pawns in his evil plans and abuses the ones he can't control, subjecting his treacherous son Ollie to constant beatings and outright killing his wife. He later helps TIO infect Lucella by tainting Mr. P's cure for his sick wife, which results in countless deaths, including Raven and several of his allies, and starts the Battle of Lucella. Desiring to reshape the city in his own totalitarian image, Ruvius schemes to use Mateo's blood to take control of the infected, and when Mateo escapes, he rampages across Lucella and murders Giraffy just for being in his way.
Edited by carduinal-cyn on May 31st 2024 at 6:42:16 AM
"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — KawarinoThat works. Just add the potholes and add it to Drafts please (I'll be done in an hour or so).
And before anyone mentions Canon!Palpatine getting his own folder, it's because he does SO, SO much. He's the only one I can think of (well, there's Michael Myers, but that has weird continuity stuff).
Edited by ACW on May 31st 2024 at 6:03:32 AM
So Deacon Dark
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Kinda got forgetton
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Alright, I'm done for now. The trimmed Ruvius with potholes needs to please be added to the Drafts, and here's what's pending:
- The Bill (Atlantis):
- Vera: Daniel Rede
(Atlantis)
- World of Warcraft: Dar'Khan Drathir
(Forgo)
- The Incredible Hulk: Xemnu
(Libraryseraph)
- Star Trek: Voyager (Overlord):
- Tangled with Ninjas: Overlord
(Phantom)
- Palpatine
(Powermaster)
- The Ogre Gods: The God-King
(Silverblade)
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I do remember Magus being mentioned in my observer days, but nothing ever came out of it.
Acording to this
there are apparently two UCT Matriarchs in main marvel universe.
Edited by EmperorGeode on May 31st 2024 at 3:35:56 AM
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Added my truncated Ruvius Greyrat to the Drafts.
"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — Kawarino- The Immortal Hulk: Xemnu is an alien cyborg with terrifying powers of Mind Manipulation. Debuting in Journey into Mystery, Xemnu hypnotises all of humanity into building an escape vessel after he crashes on Earth, gloating that the engines will be powerful enough to destroy the planet when he takes off. After multiple attempts to turn humans—usually children—into being like himself, Xemnu returns as Dario Agger's right hand in his False Flag Operation against the Hulk. Together, Xemnu and Agger unleash destructive kaiju on Phoenix, Arizona, allowing Xemnu to "save" the civilians from the kaiju and Hulk's destructive battle with them. Xemnu uses his psychic powers to create a planet-wide case of False Memories, making people remember him as a superhero called the Hulk and Banner as a deranged terrorist, something that even affects the Hulk system. Xemnu's weaponized nostalgia field makes people passive, unwilling to act against authority, and defensive of institutions like Roxxon. While working for Agger, Xemnu demands regular meals of humans, including Agger's own subordinates, who he feeds on by twisting them into horrible parodies of himself, a fate Agger himself faces when the two of them begin losing.
What do we think for YMMV pages? Just YMMV.Immortal Hulk, or IH and YMMV.Journey Into Mystery?
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAOkay, not too sure on this guy but it never hurts to try.
What’s The Work?
Papers, Please is a dystopian Bureaucracy Simulator created by Lucas Pope that gained popularity through YouTubers. You play as a nameless border Inspector for the country of Arstotzka, where it’s your job to defend the country from anyone who is trying to get in. You must simply stamp someone’s passport to let them in or get them out. Sounds simple? Nope. You must protect yourself and your countries against terrorists, deal with your family and keep them healthy and alive, and choose your ally ship between your loyalty of your country, or the Ambiguously Evil, possibly Benevolent Conspiracy resistance groups EZIC Star.
Now, let’s talk about a small subplot in the game, focusing on a vengeful father and a Serial Killer.
Who is Simon Wens? What Does He Do?
- An infamous Serial Killer of children, which a news report details his escape from prison, Simon is being hunted by a vengeful father over the death of one of his daughter, Julia.
- Meeting the Inspector the day of Simon’s escape, The Vengeful Father explains that he wants The Inspector to let Simon into Arstozka and then let the father pass in order to enact his Vigilante Justice against the vile man, even giving the inspector a photo of his child that Simon murdered.
- The next day, The Inspector is met with Simon Wens, who attempts to get into Arstozka. If the Inspector notes him on the wanted list, Simon threatens him with death if he doesn’t let him pass, and If he gives Simon the photo of his victim, Simon only says “What the fuck?!” Before cowardly fleeing.
- If The Inspector lets Simon and later The Father pass, a news report reveals that Simon has been found dead, in a bloody mess
Mitigating Factors?
Nope, a quiet yet deranged child murderer who is volatile and cowardly when faced with his crimes.
Heinous Standard?
Now, Papers Please is a Dystopian work, though we don’t get much in the way of defined villains. Who have the oppressive government of Arstozka, various drug peddlers, and faceless Western Terrorists and Mad Bombers who attempts to murder Arstozka guards.
And with taht, the story of Papers Please is a bit limited, with the game taking place entirely inside the booth with the story being provided by the dialogue of characters and the mentioned news reports. Despite that, I think Simon might land. Not only is he a simple convict with no ties to any terrorists or government, he’s an infamous serial child Murderer which focuses on an entire subplot of the grieving parent of one of his child victims, who we get a full name and face of. In a story of villains are mostly faceless and nameless in the grans scheme, Simon particularly stands out as a vile son of a bitch who gets what’s coming to him.
Verdict?
Hard to say, But I’m leaning yes. Let’s hear your thoughts.
Yes to Deacon Dark and yeah, I think I'm good with Simon from what I have seen, we get enough detail for the kind of game he comes from, IMO.
@Library: I thiiiink probably just the Incredible Hulk general comics YMMV? Since Xemnu does have several appearances throughout 'em.
Edited by Ravok on May 31st 2024 at 4:22:35 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!

for Deacon Dark. All the X-Men and Spider-Man villains look good to me for the time being.
Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.