Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
Brittney
Going to abstain on Hoi. He seems to be uniquely bad for the setting motivations wise but it seems that his entire race has little to no characterization than "entire species of genocidal maniacs" which raises some issues about Always Chaotic Evil and agency. If there is any indication Kashvar can choose to be good, or the implication that Hoi's actions were seen to be beyond the pale for even other Kashvar, or even that the Kashvar became the way they did because of Hoi, I'd be happy to upvote him but as it stands, not too comfortable.
Edited by xie323 on Feb 14th 2023 at 6:39:47 AM
Alright it's been year's. How many does Molloy have in contrast to Holtzmann? I want to know to compare. Since Scott is a more a Mad Bomber Vs. Serial Killer.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Doesn't Scott only try the bombing at the end? He was a Serial Killer at first it seems.
Dunn first tries bombing Beckett's apartment and she survives, so no casualties. He then nearly blows up the FBI team with a bomb in an empty building adjacent to the one he's hiding in—which doesn't go off, but his intent is still clearly there though. Dunn otherwise functions as a Serial Killer.
While we see only five victims Dunn has onscreen, we hear about many more though, so he definitely hits the heinous standard.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 14th 2023 at 7:28:56 AM
@ ACW: Okay so in regards between Dunn and Malloy I think Malloy can be different from Dunn. While both are Serial killers who prey on women Dunn simply kills his victims via stabbing and shooting (Dunn still counts) while Malloy goes the extra mile and tortures them (which is uncommon in the show, especially branding) with his favorite method being branding them. Also Dunn is the main killing in a two-parter, while Malloy is a predecessor villain who appears in one episode and is already dead by the time this episode starts giving him less screen time than Dunn. Also the added crimes of Malloy letting a mentally ill man take the fall for one of his murders resulted in the guy killing himself, resulting in his daughter killing two people, while Malloy also manipulated is mentally ill brother into helping him carry out these murders, while Dunn never had siblings nor exploited anyone with mental illness for his own gain. In all I think Malloy is different from Dunn to stand out
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 14th 2023 at 11:38:51 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffHappy Valentines Day, guys! I present to y'all a lovely EP that I hope will bring you despair.
What’s the Work?
Danganronpa is a franchise that's been covered here before. But what hasn't been covered... are the stage plays.
The Danganronpa stage plays adapt the first, second, and third anime, but with tons of cuts and changes to adapt the stories to a different medium and runtime.
The first game's story's retained for the most part, but Chapter 3 is cut, Chapter 4 is shortened, some deaths have changed, and Chapters 5 and 6 are combined.
Same goes for the second game's story, where Chapter 4 is cut, many scenes are left out, more deaths are changed, and Chapter 6 is incredibly shortened.
And the third stage play adapts the anime's Future and Hope Arcs, only bringing up bits of the prequel Despair Arc, while also changing the anime's climax and ending for the better.
And no, Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony did not get a stage play. The stage plays mainly adapt the Hope's Peak arc.
But anyway, I've talked long enough. We all know who I'm covering. So...
Let's give it everything we've got! It's... PROPOSING TIIIIIIME!
Who is She?
Junko Enoshima (whose actress, Sayaka Kanda, sadly committed suicide in 2021), the Ultimate Fashionista/Ultimate Despair, is once again the despair-obsessed embodiment of chaos whose crimes have been surprisingly retained for the most part despite the numerous changes made to the games’ stories. But even then, there are some differences.
What has she done?
The first stage play plays out mostly the same for Junko. Having turned the world into a despair-filled wasteland full of disaster and war because she gets off on despair, Junko brainwashed the survivors of Hope’s Peak Academy into forgetting two years of their lives and forcing her once-renowned friends into killing each other for survival in front of a livestream broadcast across the entire world, just so the rest of humanity would lose hope from watching the world’s brightest young minds succumbing to despair. Junko even had people from the outside trying to save them murdered to ensure her plan's success.
In order to act as the mastermind behind the scenes, Junko has her older twin sister Mukuro Ikusaba take her place because she didn’t have any trust in her, having her killed early on out of a hatred for her "boring" plans, but also because she wanted to feel the despair of watching her beloved sister die.
Outing herself as the mastermind, Junko forces the survivors into a decision where, if the survivors sacrifice Makoto by giving him the ultimate punishment, they can get a happy ending. But thanks to Makoto’s words and a conveniently timed recording from the school’s deceased headmaster, the survivors are able to regain their hope and defeat Junko. After failing to get the students to give into despair, Junko decides to give herself the ultimate punishment in order to feel the true despair of death... only for Makoto to prevent that from happening, as he feels keeping her alive is a far worse punishment for her.
So yeah, Junko ends up living in this version. Which poses a problem.
Going into the Danganronpa 2 stage play, Junko gets her partner Izuru Kamakura to insert a virus into the Neo World Program–-which is a game world created by Makoto to revert the Ultimate Despair Students back to their original selves, since they were previously the kindhearted students of Class 77 before meeting Junko-–resulting in Junko hijacking the program and commencing another killing game, which claims many lives. After Chiaki Nanami and headmaster Monomi are executed, both exposed as AI programs originally designed to keep everything at bay, Junko, or actually her consciousness uploaded through an Alter Ego AI program that she created, reveals herself as once again the true mastermind behind everything.
With the AIs keeping her at bay now gone, Junko, out of boredom, plans to upload her personality into the braindead students’ minds so that she can have clones of her join her in ruling the world and carrying out her deeds of despair alongside her, even using copies of the deceased students in the game world to Mind Rape the survivors into graduating the game, despite knowing it would mean she’ll win. She even reveals to protagonist Hajime Hinata that his true identity was Izuru the entire time, laughing as she tells him he played a big part in the story’s events. But with help from the returning Monomi and Chiaki, Hinata’s able to accept who he is and put a stop to Junko’s plans, forcing her consciousness to be trapped in the game world.
But Junko returns for a final time in the Danganronpa 3 stage play... kinda. Having died offscreen somehow, Junko nevertheless acts as the Greater-Scope Villain of the play, revealing to have been the one who turned Class 77 students into the Ultimate Despair, allowing them to commit numerous acts of terrorism that have killed millions for her own entertainment. But some elements of the Despair Arc remain in the form of flashbacks.
Having been the one to bring Ultimate Animator Ryota to despair by forcing him to create several animations that would brainwash people into not only giving into despair, but also commit suicide, Junko also turned the idealistic new teacher Chisa Yukizome into her despair-filled puppet by torturing her with Ryota’s animations, and prevented Juzo Sakakura from outing her insidious behavior by threatening to out him as gay to his longtime friend/crush Kyosuke Munakata, taking great pleasure in tormenting the latter about his homosexuality.
And that's it for Junko. Seriously, not much was done with her for the final stage play.
Redeeming Qualities?
Well, maybe she has a few good qualities—
Junko, as always, cares more about her obsession with despair than anything else, valuing her fetish for misery over the lives of those closest to her.
Heinousness?
Even taking these three plays into account, Junko still easily hits the mark, starting an apocalypse for fun and having tons of people killed so that the entire world would share her nihilistic philosophy.
Even though the play leaves out her more sinister actions from 3's Despair Arc (namely her initiating the massacre of Hope's Peak's student council, her far more extreme torture of Chisa that involves sticking needles into her brain, and forcing Chiaki into a hopeless death maze to corrupt the Class 77 students into Ultimate Despair), her actions from the first two games are here and accountable, with a few minor changes here and there.
And also nobody else comes close to keeping.
Conclusion
Easy keep
And keep an eye out for another Junko EP today.
Monokuma's origins aren't fully clear, but in the first game he was a puppet for Junko to control and disguise her identity (though The Stinger implied that Monokuma had sapience that wasn't followed up on in anything else), the second game he was a computer virus acting out AI Junko's plans, and the third anime shows that Junko created and designed Monokuma herself. Haven't played V3 yet so I can't tell you what he's like there, but that's the gist of it.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Feb 14th 2023 at 8:46:04 AM
It's Spooky Month!He's was expecting someone to carry out his legacy and kill more people while he's dead since he was aware that his brutal murders have ruined many lives and one of them would become a murderer themselves (He probably excepted his brother to commit murders)
to Junko
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 14th 2023 at 11:47:07 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffDoes this stage play have a page here?
That rule was for works that have separate work pages from their source. If they are the same. Than uh the original medium gets precedence to avoid duplicate entries.

Don't like the Kamoshida quote, he might not have a good one
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA