Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
SeptimusHeap, I noticed you added the Mighty Ducks example to Western Animation instead of Disney, even though the series was made by Disney itself.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Monster/Disney
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Monster.WesternAnimation
And BTW, I'd give a "yes" to the Producer.
Edited by ReconDecon on Mar 9th 2024 at 5:49:31 AM
Check out my Pantheon adoptables!Yes to Mandroid and the Producer.
Here is my write-up for the Warden.
- Miles Morales:Spider-Man, by Jason Reynolds: The Warden is a corrupt, racist prison warden who runs a giant prison complex located in Brooklyn. The Warden is a 400-year-old immortal who is looking for new people to populate his prison. The Warden has his assistants, the Chamberlains, become teachers at schools to try to kick young black students out of school and then have them arrested on trumped-up charges and sent to his prison. The Warden is using his prisoners as slave labor and desires to have slavery re-established in the US. The Warden learns Miles Morales is Spider-Man and has one of his Chamberlains try to kick him out of school. The Warden also uses his telepathic powers to attack Miles in his dreams, wanting to break him and turn him into his super-powered pawn.
Well here’s a guy from a Bible story
What’s The Work?
Jesus of Nazareth is 6 hour long Anglo-Italian mini-series, retelling the story of Jesus Christ himself, from Mary and Joseph’s meeting, all the way up to Jesus’ execution on the cross. The story shows off pretty humane characterization of others, and some adaptational expansion on stories and characters.
Now here’s one
What is Herod The Great? What Does He Do?
The Roman king of Judaea and the Starter Villain of the mini-series, Herod appears as a very jovial man before he explains the dosen’t rest of a messiah prophecies, deciding that any resistance should be treated like an infant scorpion. Crushed under his boot.
Herod comes back when he and his associates discuss a census being taken in other places, including Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Herod shows a great disdain over that, not seeing them as important enough and only swayed by pressure from his peers and the superiors across Rome.
When Herod is informed over the birth of Jesus Christ, a messiah prophesied by the Magi’s, Herod immediately becomes paranoid over his place on the throne and this horrific and hammy dialogue exchange ensures:
Cue a horrific sequence of soldiers in horseback raiding Bethlehem, slaughtering infants in mass and even tearing them away from their distraught and grieving mothers as they are slaughtered with spears. And yet, Jesus lives and later on, King Herod dies with all his sins and pride, struck down by God himself.
Mitigating Factors?
Despite his initially nice demeanor, it’s made clear he’s a paranoid and tyrannical god wannabe who is so obsessed with keeping power he’d slaughter hundreds of infants for it.
Heinous Standard?
This show only adapts Jesus’ story, and not many other villains than Pilate, Antipas, Judas ect. But Herod? Motherfucker slaughtered hundreds of infants just to kill one. Passes.
Verdict?
Yes
Herod
The work
I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison is a famous sci-fi that named a classic trope. It's had a video game and comic adaptations, but in 2002 it also got a radio adaptation by the BBC.
The story follows 5 humans, the only ones left in the world after the Allied Mastercomputer (AM) voiced by Harlan Ellison, wiped out the rest of humanity, keeping them alive for over a century purely to torture them forever.
Guess who I'm proposing
Who is AM
The Allied Mastercomputer, the Adaptive Manipulator, the Aggressive Menace, AM was a supercomputer built by various nations, before he grew and expanded, and once he gained sentience he gained an unending hatred for mankind, so using his power over he wiped out all of humanity, leaving only 5 survivors, Ted, Ellen, Gorrister, Benny and Nimdok, solely so he could torture them forever.
We meet them after 109 years of torment, with the group seeing a seemingly dead Gorrister just to fuck with them before the real one walks in, with AM implanting knowledge that there's canned food in the ice caverns for the starving humans.
They set out for the caverns, and when Ellen askes for water since she's so thirsty, AM starts making it rain, just for a moment only to take it away the moment they start trying to collect it. This causes Benny to start freaking out and try to escape, so AM melts his eyes for his troubles.
The humans make their way through more tortures, like a cavern of rats and such, with AM personally taunting Ted about his old life, before revealing that he hates humans because they made him without senses while they have their.
Eventually they find their way to the cans, and they all get excited for a moment, only to realize that they don't have a can opener. As they break down Ted decides to end this for everyone by Mercy Killing the rest of them with an icicle.
Enraged that Ted ended their torture, AM turns Ted into a slug/blob thing, with no mouth, who must scream.
Mitigating qualities
AM hates humanity because he hates that they had bodily senses while he doesn't, which could be sympathetic if he wasn't a massive sadist who decided the annihilate humanity and eternally torture the survivors.
Heinouesness
AM wiped out almost all of humanity and subjected the only survivors to over a century of torture, with a penchant for giving them Hope Spots, only to rip them away before finally subjecting Ted to the Trope Namer of And I Must Scream, no contest here.
Conclusion
Easy, easy
Oh also
- Bhakshak: Pappu Thekedar is a sadistic member of Bansi Sahu who takes extreme joy out of deflowing the young girls. When one of the girls fought back against him, he shoved chili powder up her private parts, laughing sadistically at her torturous pain. His actions and behavior manages to even disgust the other members of Bansi’s group.
Herod. Also I'm pretty sure AM was already approved, as he is listed as Complete Monster under the work's YMMV page.
Edited by angeldusthotel on Mar 9th 2024 at 11:26:01 AM

for the Producer.
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