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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#37026: Feb 9th 2024 at 9:20:23 PM

[tup] for Dr. Yung.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
moctezuma2000 Since: Sep, 2018
#37028: Feb 9th 2024 at 9:22:49 PM

While we are on Pokemon, does anyone know if Malva (Adventures) counts? She helped enslave Vaniville Town, held a pivotal role in Lysandre's omnicide plot (which she is only in for selfish reasons, intending to betray Team Flare) and tried to kill the heroes with Yveltal's painful life-draining abilities.

Edited by moctezuma2000 on Feb 9th 2024 at 2:26:09 PM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
umaprasis Since: Jul, 2023
#37031: Feb 9th 2024 at 10:02:17 PM

[tup]Ein. Yung, and iron mask

Would Adventures Faba count?

With the new rules I am thinking that one of the candidates I proposal might count.

Sayoko writeup

Metal Slader Glory:Sayoko is the seemingly polite and dutiful secretary of Silkine who is actually a alien who infiltrates society to ruin the Earths chances of survival. When Tadashi asks where his sister is she tricks him and his girlfriend Elina to go to colony 3 to get them killed. Having Tadashi distracted with saving his sister she launches a attack on colony 35 attacking many innocents and the base of the last hope of the Earth to ruin their chances of survival. When found out she laughs declaring it is time to destroy the pitiful planet.

Edited by umaprasis on Feb 9th 2024 at 10:57:37 AM

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#37032: Feb 9th 2024 at 10:24:59 PM

Dr. Yung gets [tup] because none of the other anime villains have created life just to destroy it for an experiment.

While we are on Pokemon does anyone know if Malva (Adventures) counts? She helped enslave Vaniville Town, held a pivotal role in Lysandre's omnnicide plot (which she is only in for selfish reasons, intending to betray Team Flare) and tried to kill the heroes with Yveltal's painful life-draining abilities

I do not believe she has ever been brought up before. I think the biggest reason is because there was a manga panel showing Malva apparently falling to her death in an attempt to save Lysandre circulating on social media at the time. However, if what Bulbapedia says is true about the double crossing, then an EP would be needed then since we'll need more context as to what Malva truly believes in.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#37033: Feb 9th 2024 at 11:42:44 PM

[tup]Dr. Yung.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheGrayFox ....Phenomenal from A Lovecraftian fishing village Since: Sep, 2011
....Phenomenal
#37034: Feb 9th 2024 at 11:59:46 PM

[tup] for Oleg and Yung.

There remains a foothold out of this mire — now climb.
jlvs200s from The Netherlands (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#37035: Feb 10th 2024 at 12:29:07 AM

[tup] Oleg and Yung

"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
Maxide Since: May, 2023
ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#37037: Feb 10th 2024 at 1:35:09 AM

[tup] to Oleg and Yung! Out of curiosity, how frequently does a former CM actually end up getting reapproved?

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
AwarenessBringer Since: Sep, 2017 Relationship Status: Singularity
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#37039: Feb 10th 2024 at 2:36:10 AM

So basically, if Yung lacks the quantity of even the Marauder, he makes up for it in uniqueness?

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Klavice (Elder Troper)
#37042: Feb 10th 2024 at 5:07:31 AM

Yes to Iron Masked Marauder from the novel, Ein (if Lovrina didn't have that HFT I think she still wouldn't make it since she's too quirky to count and while being LE has never been disqualifying, she's just a comical Psychopathic Womanchild) and I guess Dr Yung. Malva from Adventures might be worth an effortpost (any reason why Lysandre doesn't count in the manga? I thought the manga was known for stripping villains of redeeming qualities, hell even N of all people is pretty awful from what I remember).

Edited by Klavice on Feb 10th 2024 at 5:20:36 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#37043: Feb 10th 2024 at 5:40:57 AM

[tup] Novel!IMM, and Dr. Yung.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Feb 10th 2024 at 5:41:04 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#37044: Feb 10th 2024 at 6:08:56 AM

[up][up]According to the character page, Manga!Lysandre is still a WIE.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#37045: Feb 10th 2024 at 7:14:54 AM

  • Road Kill: Texas Horror by Texas Writers:
    • Vol. 8’s "Baby Doll", by Iphigenia Strangeworth: "Daddy" is the abusive, alcoholic patriarch of the family. Once a supposedly good man who returned from fighting in the Great War a whole lot worse, Daddy took to raping his maid Josy until she became pregnant, even carving half a smile on her cheek when he noticed she was unhappy with baby. Frequently abusing his family every chance he gets, Daddy eventually lusts for his underaged daughter "Baby Doll", frequently forcing her to sleep with him to the point where she becomes pregnant with his bastard offspring. Daddy later murders Baby Doll’s husband Jebidiah and threatens to kill her and her baby Priscilla when they try to escape his home.

  • Ruin Explorers OVA: The demon possessing the priest Ruguduroll desires the Ultimate Power to destroy the world. Freed from captivity by Ruguduroll in an attempt to use its forbidden power to help those in need, the demon instead took control of the priest, using him to set fire to an entire kingdom, leaving nobody alive. The demon then slayed the entire royal family, only leaving the weakened Chamberlain alive to deliver his message to the returning Prince Lyle. The demon went on a conquest march, leaving every neighboring kingdom in shambles, taking control of the entire north continent in the process.

And yes, ACW, Daddy goes last on the Road Kill tree.

[down] It’s a four episode miniseries, so yes

Edited by therealjackieboy on Feb 10th 2024 at 7:54:45 AM

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#37046: Feb 10th 2024 at 7:17:25 AM

The OVA's a series and not a film, correct?

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#37047: Feb 10th 2024 at 10:57:25 AM

[tup] Yung.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
LarryT Since: Aug, 2023
#37048: Feb 10th 2024 at 11:18:07 AM

What’s the work?

Karliene (channel) is an internet musician who primarily does history, fan, and mythology, songs.

(Yes, this is another mythology song proposal, I am really on a roll with these)

My candidate comes from her most chilling song Black Annis

The song is short so this won’t be very long

Who is she and what has she done?

Black Annis, based on the character from English Folklore, is a feared entity who eats nightmares

Black Annis stalks the forest looking for children to capture and kill, luring them to come using whispers were she takes them to her oak tree killing them

Her oak tree is decorated with the blood and bones of her previous victims

Redeeming qualities?

No

Heinousness?

Only villain in the song, serial murderer of children

Final verdict?

I’d say she keeps

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#37049: Feb 10th 2024 at 11:22:19 AM

Leaning [tup] to Yung but wasn't he disapproved because Faba did the same thing and he got cancelled out in the HS?

[tup] Ein and Novel!Iron Mask

Edited by xie323 on Feb 10th 2024 at 11:25:11 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#37050: Feb 10th 2024 at 11:36:48 AM

Leaning towards a no on Black Annis. There's no story to the song just explaining briefly who she is and what she wants, but that's it.


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