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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#21926: Aug 1st 2023 at 10:23:09 AM

Yes to the Senator and Mr. Washington

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#21927: Aug 1st 2023 at 10:24:14 AM

[tup] to Senator Freeman and Washington

Switch [tdown] to Star.

Could I please get more votes on my candidate?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21928: Aug 1st 2023 at 10:37:22 AM

Yes to the Senator; more hesitant yes to Washington.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#21929: Aug 1st 2023 at 10:54:55 AM

Yes to Washington and our first Morgan Freeman.

Regarding Zaar, two questions before I vote: how much of a body count are we looking at during that initial attack, and how many other villains of the week does he have to contend with? There was a similar character who qualified called Rimujin from another mecha anime Lord of Lords: Ryu Knight, but he only made it because the show went to every length to make him worse than his colleagues and show him killing innocent civilians for the hell of it.

If Zaar's only claim to fame is being a slightly nastier-than-average Starter Villain I'd be hesitant, but if he's nastier than all the other minor villains, I'd be comfier with him keeping.

Edited by Scraggle on Aug 1st 2023 at 12:09:24 PM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#21930: Aug 1st 2023 at 10:56:53 AM

Okay so The final season of Disenchantment is announced to premier on September 1, and Lighty and I our going to reserve discussions for it (it's now August 1st)

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bye
#21931: Aug 1st 2023 at 11:00:20 AM

[tup] Senator and Washington

[tdown] 548

Abstain on Commander for now

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#21932: Aug 1st 2023 at 11:15:04 AM

[up][up][up] His attack reduced city in which heroes live to ruins with survivors scrambling to survive and has spread to other Regions of the Japan. In terms of visible bodycount we get several nasty montages of destruction and death and good number of characters of week are people who lost loved ones during intial (with heroes losing their families as well) attack (one even being teacher who has survivor’s Guilt after his entire class was killed during his watch).

For other villains of the week pretty much all of them are either spies on covert mission to destroy Daltanonius or giant robots send to do it who acosinally brought civilians in danger. Him being one to lead descructive attack across entire country which has impact on the rest of the series is easily hidgest Villain of the Week goes in show.

And to clear up, Zaar is name of Empire he serves. Commander himself is unnamed.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Aug 1st 2023 at 11:28:58 AM

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#21933: Aug 1st 2023 at 11:30:08 AM

[tup] to Washington and The Senator.

[tdown] to The Hateful Star.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#21934: Aug 1st 2023 at 12:12:44 PM

[tup] to the Fleet Commander, The Senator and Mr. Washington.

Also Indirect Serial Killer just launched, maybe useful going forwards?

Edited by MGD107 on Aug 1st 2023 at 12:14:00 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21935: Aug 1st 2023 at 12:31:49 PM

Shit...I'll have to look through that and see which examples to pothole to that.

LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#21936: Aug 1st 2023 at 12:33:40 PM

[up]You're not obligated to do that you know. If it's that much of a hassle for you then don't worry about it.

Yes to Mr. Washington and the Senator.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#21937: Aug 1st 2023 at 12:37:09 PM

I'll lean yes to the Commander then.

Edited by Scraggle on Aug 1st 2023 at 1:37:27 PM

FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21940: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:03:17 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'm anal like that [lol]

Still abstaining on the Commander.

Edited by ACW on Aug 1st 2023 at 4:03:28 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#21941: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:07:41 PM

[tup] Commander, Senator and Washington

Switching to [tdown] Star

Any more votes on my Sutekh quote?

TheGrayFox ....Phenomenal from A Lovecraftian fishing village Since: Sep, 2011
....Phenomenal
#21942: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:17:21 PM

[tup] for the Commander and the Momentum duo.

[tdown] for the Star, it talks a big game but I don't think it's done enough.

There remains a foothold out of this mire — now climb.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#21943: Aug 1st 2023 at 1:22:13 PM

Switching to a [tdown] the Star if it doesn’t do enough

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#21944: Aug 1st 2023 at 2:19:58 PM

[tup] Senator Morgan Freeman and Mr. Washington.

Not sure on the Zaar Commander but it's nice to see another Retro Mecha candidate.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#21945: Aug 1st 2023 at 2:28:55 PM

[tup] Senator and Washington, and a weak keep to the Commander

"We'll meet again" | 🏳️‍⚧️
FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#21947: Aug 1st 2023 at 2:45:57 PM

Yes to the commander, the senator, and Washington. Also, posting this a few hours early.

  • Runaways (2017) Season 3: Morgan le Fay is an ancient witch banished to the Darkforce Dimension, a realm of madness and torture that well supplements her own power-hungry cruelty. Once an enemy of the Minoru family who sought to manipulate Tina into stealing the Staff of One to further her dark machinations, Morgan reemerges in the present to bring Tina's daughter Nico to her side, escaping her prison and subjecting countless denizens of the Darkforce to death or insanity in the process of enacting her horrific will. Taking over the PRIDE's resources, Morgan converts millions into her mindless slaves in a ritual to merge Earth with the Darkforce Dimension, intent on trapping humanity in endless nightmares as she reshapes the world to her pleasure. Along the way, Morgan delights in all manner of petty sadism, such as spitefully murdering Tina's husband; attempting to sacrifice Molly Hernandez by blasting her with lightning; torturing Alex Wilder for months until he kills a visage of his own mother; and killing Gertrude Yorkes in one Bad Future, thoroughly proving herself beneath all her justifications as a megalomaniacal, proudly soulless bully.

We could either give this its own AC header or put it in a "Young adult series" folder with Cloak & Dagger, as they have a bit of connectivity through a crossover in the third-to-last episode.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 1st 2023 at 5:57:24 AM

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#21948: Aug 1st 2023 at 2:55:55 PM

Update on my reservation for Blasphemous 2. I might need to skip out on getting the game for the time being due to money being tight. If I decide to not get it I will let this thread know in advance. Sorry if I cannot

Once Upon A Time.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21949: Aug 1st 2023 at 3:26:07 PM

What say others about placement of [up][up]?

Also, only pending stuff is Lighty's Fear Lords writeups.

Javertshark13 Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!

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