Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
to that Bond trio.
to Felix Faust. Sorry for being late to the party, but Justice League, despite being family-friendly, simply has a ridiculously fucked heinous standard for Felix to stand out, especially in the face of Darkseid who has committed mass genocide, conquest and destruction at a multi-planetary scale.
Edited by TheLewandererz602555 on Jul 31st 2023 at 10:27:46 AM
Mawdesley, Bond guys.
Since search function isn't being my ally, got a query about a guy (well Eldritch Abomination) from the Cthulhu Mythos, Eihort. He's a nasty fucker with his deal shtick and turning people into incubation Chambers for his Brood and I think he has agency? My main Hiccup is a certain other Great One who has agency who I think may outheinous him, Y'gy. This the case more or less?
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!Huh, cool, the only pending writeups are STAR's MCU novels.
Also, RIP Paul Reubens. And yes, this is relevant; he voiced Pavel.
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Scraggle did the iteration of the spider fiend here
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Edited by AustinDR on Jul 31st 2023 at 2:16:14 AM
Then let me go ahead and round it out!
- MCU novelizations:
- Captain America: The Winter Soldier:
- Brock Rumlow poses as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent when in reality he's an assassin for HYDRA. Having killed their enemies for years, Rumlow leads the manhunt against Captain America and Black Widow, even witnessing the torture the Winter Soldier endures with no reaction, losing his canon counterpart's only moment of humanity. On the day of the HYDRA Uprising, Rumlow personally launches the helicarriers for Project Insight, knowing that doing so will lead to millions of innocent deaths. He is uncaring when confronted with the damage his actions will cause, only bragging to Sam Wilson that HYDRA will rule the world.
- Arnim Zola is the engineer of HYDRA's resurgence within S.H.I.E.L.D., having taken it over after Red Skull's demise. Spending decades turning S.H.I.E.L.D. into a front for HYDRA, Zola masterminded decades of war and catastrophes to convince the world to willingly hand over free will, with even his own death unable to stop his reign of terror. Zola is also the man responsible for Bucky Barnes' torture and transformation into the Winter Soldier. After uploading himself into a computer, Zola masterminded Project Insight, the systematic murder of millions of innocents who could potentially pose a threat to HYDRA's reign over the world, and is so determined to see it succeed that he lets himself be destroyed in a bomb designed to kill Captain America and Black Widow.
- Guardians of the Galaxy (2014): Ronan the Accuser, also known as "the Warlord" and "the Butcher", views weakness as the greatest crime of all and seeks to expunge it from the galaxy. Introduced crushing the skull of a member of the Nova Corps out of spite and rage, Ronan has led the massacre of countless planets and people, to the point that when Drax confronts him about the murder of his family, Ronan can't remember who he's talking about. After slaughtering everyone in the Kyln to cover his movements and leading an assault on Knowhere, Ronan gets control of the Power Stone and launches a full-scale invasion of Xandar, killing countless innocents. Though the Guardians of the Galaxy stop him, Ronan comes mere inches away from destroying the entire planet and killing billions of innocent people.
- Doctor Strange (2016): The Dread Dormammu is the ruler of the Dark Dimension and seeks to bring all of existence into his realm of eternal torment, having already captured countless planets to subject them to endless torture. Reaching out to Kaecilius and manipulating him into becoming a willing servant, Dormammu has him attack the three Sanctums across the world, weakening the magical barriers around Earth enough for him to invade. Attempting to suck all of Earth into his hell dimension and only being stopped by Dr. Stephen Strange trapping him in a time loop, Dormammu repays Kaecilius for his efforts by trapping him and his Zealots in the Dark Dimension, with Strange witnessing countless of Dormammu's previous followers having already been trapped in the same manner.
- Captain America: The Winter Soldier:
We are currently in the Complete Monster Proposal Thread. The RIP thread is over here
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Anyway.
For a black mirror page. Gaap has a pretty decent quote in Michael smart
Anyone think this quote from The Incredibles is worth putting on the quotes subpage?
Mr. Incredible: You mean you killed off real heroes so that you could PRETEND TO BE ONE?!
Syndrome: Oh, I'm real. Real enough to defeat YOU!!
for the first MKM
and for the second
if anyone is thinking about if the games have enough plot or they want to vote.
What is the work?
The RPC Authority is the Spiritual Successor of the SCP Foundation, following a similar premise to the latter.Who is the candidate and what have they done?
RPC-548 (aka "the Hateful Star"; yes, it's THAT Hateful Star, rewritten by the original author for the RPC site) is a sapient star who's moving towards Earth with the intention to collide with it and cause the extinction of the human race, something that as of now the Authority seemingly has no way to prevent from happening.During this time RPC-548 uses the Morse Code to continuously mock and insulting humans (which can also get very personal thanks to its ability to know a lot of information about those observing it, as proved by it mentioning a site director's deceased baby child and then transmitting various image files, which are never explained what they exactly are but it's made clear they're related to the director's past and something he regrets).
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Absolutely not. RPC-548 is by all means an Omnicidal Maniac with an Irrational Hatred for humanity.Are they bad enough?
Now, RPC-548 is not the only anomaly able to cause the end of the world (with another notable example being the divine entity mentioned in RPC-840, who caused the mass extinction of the Venusian species and likely of more alien civilizations). However, I'd like to note some things: many of the other world-ending anomalies are something that are simply powerful enough to cause the end of the world rather than actively wanting to end it like 548, and while something the entity I was mentioning before likely claimed more victims than 548 will ever claim once it reaches Earth it has to be considered that this entity is essentially a god and somewhat well-intentioned since it wants to keep balance in the universe, while 548 is just a star able to think and move who wants to destroy Earth for a hatred towards humanity that seemingly has no explanation, and judging by what it says, RPC-548 doesn't intend for the extinction of humanity to be quick nor painless.It's also worth mentioning that while 548 is somewhat Laughably Evil due to its juvenile way of speaking, it doesn't really detract from the threat it poses, both physically and psychologically since it is capable of an emotional cruelty able to cause a lot of distress in others.
Final verdict?
Yes to me.Edited by CapitanoNox on Aug 1st 2023 at 9:10:05 PM

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