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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

Snailfish Silver Shamrock's Halloween three from Santa Mira, California Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Silver Shamrock's Halloween three
#21601: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:40:19 AM

[tup]The Witch. Sounds like a major case of "Art The Clown syndrome."

The writers think making a one dimensional villain committ the most gratuitous, pointlessly cruel Torture Porn shit immediately makes for a good antagonist. It doesn't guys, you're just lazy.[tongue]

All witches, all skeletons, all jack O Lanterns, gather round your TV set, put on your masks, and watch...watch the magic pumpkin, Watch...
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#21602: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:51:22 AM

I am approving the Witch as a candidate.

Fireball246 Since: Jan, 2023
#21603: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:55:48 AM

Massive [tup] to the Witch. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Does anyone know how and where to propose CM video examples btw? I have never done it before so I would like to know.

Edited by Fireball246 on Jul 28th 2023 at 9:56:14 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#21604: Jul 28th 2023 at 9:57:44 AM

[tup] Haman.

[tup] The Witch. Belos was right!

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they)
#21606: Jul 28th 2023 at 10:37:17 AM

[tup] to the Witch, not a big fan of introducing rape just for shock/horror.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#21607: Jul 28th 2023 at 10:43:26 AM

[tup]witch.

Well dang impressive for a random indie horror game.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#21610: Jul 28th 2023 at 11:15:09 AM

[tup] To the Witch. (Is that as shock-horror-y as it sounds?)

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#21611: Jul 28th 2023 at 11:17:26 AM

  • Riget: Grand Duc, an avatar of Beelzebub and the Big Bad of Exodus, is an owl demon out to open the gates of Hell. Spreading chaos around the Kingdom along the way, Grand Duc strangles the hospital director to death and reverts the Exodus ritual to orchestrate an invasion of evil spirits upon the world. Grand Duc concludes his task by destroying the foundations of the Kingdom and obliterating the entire hospital, claiming the entire world as a "New Babylon" for Satan to rule over.
  • Mutafukaz: Bruce Macchabée is a human sociopath working for the Macho aliens as their top hitman. Having murdered Angelino's mother in the past, Bruce obeys the orders from Mr. K by indulging in extreme violence, apathetic to any sort of collateral damage—best exemplified when Bruce turned the entire neighborhood of Palm Hills into a warzone in his attempts to capture Angelino. Not even his own allies are safe from him, as Bruce tries to kill Mr. K's daughter for standing up to him.
  • Return of the Living Dead: Charles Garrison, from Necropolis and Rave to the Grave, is a callous Hybra Tech official craving for world domination. Experimenting with the Trioxin 5 to turn an untold number of people into zombies for the Necropolis secret project, Garrison plans on creating an army of cloned bioweapons to subjugate humanity—in the past, Garrison exhumed the corpses of his own family members and turned them into zombified super soldiers for his research. When the zombies breach containment, Garrison takes advantage of the chaos to release the super soldiers, risking the lives of his own nephews for a chance to escape. Returning in the sequel as an Arms Dealer, Garrison tries to sell a canister of Trioxin 5 to what he thinks is The Mafia, caring only for his well-being and the money that he will attain with the Trioxin 5.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jul 28th 2023 at 3:19:13 PM

ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#21612: Jul 28th 2023 at 11:19:45 AM

[tup] to Gutterbuhg. Hopefully, this approval incites someone to create that screenplay's page.

That said, Scraggle, I would suggest you to wait until the still in the works Indiana Jones video game comes out to see if there are any more candidates, in addition that maybe David Koepp, Jon Kasdan and Dan Fogelman end up uploading their scrapped Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny scripts as pdfs like Frank Darabont did with his Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull one in the future.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21615: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:04:47 PM

Okay guys, please no more writeups for the next hour or say so I can clear out the Drafts. I'll let you know when it's good.

MermaidEyes15 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#21617: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:26:09 PM

[tup] to the Witch

It speaks volumes about how depraved Witch's actions are when we, the people on this thread who are constantly discussing the most vile villains in all of fiction, are disgusted by them.

CrystallicWolf108 The Controversial Guy Since: Sep, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Controversial Guy
#21618: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:32:18 PM

... I'm just gonna say [tup][tup][tup][tup][tup][tup][tup][tup] to the Witch and just... head outta here.

LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#21619: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:49:11 PM

Yes to the Witch of course. If Elder Scrolls wasn't so mainstream, I definitely feel like Molag Bal would more obviously be such a character.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#21620: Jul 28th 2023 at 12:50:13 PM

…Meh. Echoing ACW here, I’m pretty jaded at this point.

Yes to Mort, Robert, Gutterbuhg, Haman, and the Witch. No to Janet and the coach.

Demiuruji Since: Jul, 2023
#21621: Jul 28th 2023 at 1:01:45 PM

What's the work

  • 35 MM: A Musical Exhibition is "musical exhibition", which have 16 songs which all of the songs are in full separate storylines, with the must know song being The Ballad of Sarah Berry. The cadidate came from song 10: Leave Luanne.

Who's the Candidate

  • The bastard, as the song calls him, is the abusive husband of, Luanne, the protagonist. The song says that he was never a nice husband but, Since he was laid off, he ended up becaming a truly bastard, beating Luanne to the point of breaking bones, and raping, while she stays with him,for reasons as: her religion not aproving divorce, thinking that he still love her deep inside, and for some fear of what he would do to her if she leave. With the song describing staying with him as a fate worse than death. After months in these conditions, Luanne decides to leave the bastard, creating a distraction by letting the dog get out, and leave runs and swims through an bog, but the bastard end up getting on the other side before her. ended up drowning herself in the swamp out of sheer desperation to not get back with him, but also is implied that he ' 'killed' ' her and make the death look like a suicide. In the night after Luanne's funeral, the bastard notice that the house is hellish hot, as Luanne spirit apears to him. While he's terrified, he took advantage to insult Luanne that no one ever loved her, only for Luanne to drag him to hell.

Heinous Standards?

  • The main reason the bastard was cutted once was that he failed in the heinous standards from Sarah Berry and having only one victim, but I think he stands out for being the only rapist in the musical, and it never being confirmed that The Ballad of Sarah Berry takes place in the same universe.

Verdict?

  • Yes for me

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21622: Jul 28th 2023 at 1:05:22 PM

While he's bad, he has only one victim, but it's over months...I truly don't know.


Also, I'm almost done clearing the Drafts; here's what's pending:

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#21623: Jul 28th 2023 at 1:11:22 PM

IIRC wasn't the bastard listed and cut for that exact reason?

Yeah, looking up Riley's post I'm inclined to say he still doesn't make it.

Edited by 43110 on Jul 28th 2023 at 4:14:02 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#21624: Jul 28th 2023 at 1:15:25 PM

I can't really understand what the EP is trying to say tbh. But looks like heinousness in an issue. I'll abstain for now.

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#21625: Jul 28th 2023 at 1:15:32 PM

Yeah, IIRC he was cut due to Sara Berry completely blowing him out of the water heniousness-wise. I'm pretty anthology stories still share a HS.


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