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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
#21401: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:06:40 PM

I think [tdown] to the All Black. It's sort of a Frostmourne situation where the sentient blade displays too little personality to individually count, even if Frostmourne (I think) can actually psychically talk to it's intended host.

Now if Knull (The jackass who forged the Necrosword I'm the Comics) shows up in the MCU, he will probably count, but by itself the Necrosword isn't quite fleshed out enough. Sorry.

"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#21402: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:08:21 PM

[tup] Ego, Ronan, to the Ewok villain that tried to eat a bunch of children (WTF)

[tdown] Necrosword, it both doesn't really have much of a personality and killing all gods is too vague to be heinous enough, Trickster,

"We'll meet again" | 🏳️‍⚧️
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21403: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:22:57 PM

Here's the best I was able to do for Soji:

  • Peret em Heru: For the Prisoners: Soji Mizumi is a vile Serial Rapist using his photography career as a cover to find material to blackmail others. One of the people tricked into the pyramid by Professor Tetsuya Tsuchida, Mizumi hides who he truly is until he finds drugs on Miss Otogi, which he uses as blackmail material to rape her while bragging about having done this to others before. After attempting to rape a monster he thought was a woman, if he survives he seemingly helps in the battle against Khufu, only to run, leaving the others to die.

If someone wants to try better using the EP, feel free.

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2023 at 3:24:23 PM

YorkobeShounen Since: Dec, 2022
#21404: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:26:47 PM

Ok its been awhile but back with another CM candidate. After a re read of some Archie Sonic I found a potential CM so I will now begin

What is the Work?

The Sonic The Hedgehog Archie comics is an American comic books series based of the hit video game series. On the planet Mobius Sonic and a band of Freedom fighters attempt to defeat the evil Dr Eggman who has conquered most of the world.

Who is A.D.A.M. and what has he done?

Autonomous Digital Assault Microbe better know as A.D.A.M. is an Ai created by Dr Eggman by accident. It was originally just a virus in Eggman’s software before it started developing a mind and will of its own. Eggman seeing potential claimed him as his creation and son and put him in charge of his entire network and gave him control over all his robots.

Leading his fathers army he would be instrumental in carrying out his father’s war in the world being responsible for many acts of genocide during the year Sonic was gone from the planet such as razing villages and destroying the Golden bee colony. Adam would be the first to find out about Sonic’s return as he recorded him destroying Swat bots.Then he would lead his father’s latest plan, Operation Triple Threat. He would control an army of Swat bots that would destroy the barrier around irradiated Robotroplis which would release the nuclear radiation into the world turning it into a hellscape and then launch two Nuclear missiles at Knothole and Station Square at the same time. He was prevented from launching the nukes by Tails who distracted Adam with jokes and riddles which confused the Ai allowing for the missiles and army to be destroyed.

Adam would later feel that he rightfully deserved Eggman’s respect and attention then his sister Mecha so he formed a secret identity known as Anonymous to achieve world domination for himself and to get the respect and attention he deserved. He would begin by creating robot duplicates if the Destrctix to fool his father into thinking someone could robotocize being’s again and to make him aware someone was just as smart as him. He would then send a robot duplicate of Sonic’s friend, Tommy Turtle to kill the Hedgehog which nearly killed Sonic’s father Jules.

Going behind his father’s back he used the Nanite machine he’s his father found to create a Nanite City which he turned into a parasite that would consume and engulf all organic life on the planet until only machines remained. He even captured cyborg Bunnie to take her apart brutally and forcefully assimilate her into his program. He would only stop when Sonic convinced him that absorbing her organic parts would corrupt his program which forced him to abandon his plan. He would also later send an army of Metal Sonic Troopers to kill his father, Dr Eggman and destroy Knothole which ended up injuring Hope, a child.

Finally in his biggest scheme yet he manipulated servants of Ixis Naugus into entering the Egg Grape Chambers while Eggman was drawing power from the Zone of silence. Having them use the Sword of Acorns the surge of power would create a dimensional dimensional breach which would kill the gods known as the Ancient walkers and free the the strongest villain in the universe, Mammoth Mogul. The Breach would also free Ixis Nagus from the Zone of silence and cause the thousand of Mobians in the Egg Grapes to be destroyed. He would then frame his sister Mecha for the crime of betraying his father to manipulate Eggman into killing Mecha for him purely out of envy. Thanks to the events he manipulated he brought back the two most powerful villains on the planet and destroyed the Ancient walkers and the last of the Source for all.

Eggman would eventually discover his son’s treachery and try to delete him however Adam would manage to download himself into the body of Tommy Turtle and control him using Nanites and kidnaps his father to inact his final Plan. He would mind control Jules to kidnap Tails and use Eggman to lure Shadow to the Nanite City. He would then use the their powers to summon every chaos emerald in the universe for himself so he could use it for world domination. He sound so battle with Sonic resulting in them both going super and doing battle in the skies above. However Tommy was able to take back control of his body and would use that chance to fly into the range of Eggman’s fleet resulting in both the death of Adam and Tommy

Mitigating factors

While he is obsessed with Eggman’s approval this does not seem to translate into actual care as most of his schemes wither endanger his father or in the case of the Metal Troopers involve Adam actively trying to kill his father. Proving he is more obsessed with the attention he would get rather then actual love for his father. His goal isn’t given any sympathy either as Sonic is more creeped out at his need for respect than anything else.

While he is an Ai he is not a slave to his programming as it’s already questionable how involved Eggman was in creating him in the first place and given he completely ignored his purpose is just analyzing situations and giving the data to Eggman but rather became a sadistic and arrogant individual who want to conquer the world for personal reasons it safe to say he has agency

Heinous Standard

While Archie has many extremely heinous villains like Eggman, Mammoth Mogul, Naugus, and Dark Enerjak, Adam can not be compared to them as they are either around for much longer or have godlike abilities or resources.

Still Adam has enough of a rapsheet being that he directly led many of Eggman’s conquests and genocides for a year, tried to poison the world with nuclear radiation, infect it with a parasite city, take apart and assimilate a friend of Sonic’s, destroy the gods of the world and bring back the two most dangerous villains in all of Archie (Naugus himself being CM) and tricking Eggman into kill his own daughter, made worse by the fact Eggman did care for her and was saddened by the act. With all tubes acts put together I say he passes

Verdict?

A yes from me but it is up to everyone else to decide if he counts or not.

Edited by YorkobeShounen on Jul 26th 2023 at 12:27:36 PM

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#21405: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:39:50 PM

Has Blasphemous 2 been reserved? If not I might take it if I pick up the game.

Once Upon A Time.
TheGrayFox ....Phenomenal from A Lovecraftian fishing village Since: Sep, 2011
....Phenomenal
#21406: Jul 26th 2023 at 12:49:05 PM

[tup] for Ronan and ADAM.

Leaning [tdown] for Trickster and the subtly-named sword.

There remains a foothold out of this mire — now climb.
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#21407: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:01:57 PM

[tup] to Unnamed Father, Vulgarr, Ego, Ronan, the Trickster and A.D.A.M.

Thinking on it I'll switch to [tup] to Tim.

SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#21408: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:02:10 PM

[tup] Ronan, Ego, ADAM (him trying to kill Eggman and mocking him over Mecha’s death when he showed clear remorse is enough to subvert the redeeming quality His relationship with Eggman could cause)

Get Snuck-Up On.”
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#21409: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:05:50 PM

Abstaining on ADAM atm, will read more thoroughly soon.

In the meantime, what's likely my last of the MCU novel proposals since I'm pretty unsure on my other potentials...from Captain America: The First Avenger's novelization.

Who is Red Skull? What has he done?

  • Johann Schmidt, founder the Nazi splinter cell Hydra, believes himself destined for godhood and power over all mankind. In his quest for such power, Schmidt forced Dr. Erskine to develop a "super soldier serum" for him, and though it granted Schmidt great ability, it also twisted his physical appearance into a maimed, bloody "Red Skull".
  • Through Hydra, Skull targets and assassinates Erskine when he perfects the super soldier serum and uses it to create "Captain America". Skull further captures hundreds of American soldiers fighting in the war, and subjects them to horrid imprisonment and experimentation.
  • After Cap saves these prisoners—though Skull sets the prison to self-destruct in an attempt to kill them all—Skull begins finalizing his plans: to use the power of the "Cosmic Cube" to stage a variety of aerial bombings across the world that will wipe out billions of people, starting with America.
  • Luckily, Cap slowly whittles down Skull's bases across Europe, and manages to face him down aboard his mothership. Though Skull nearly bombards America's east coast, he is defeated when the Cube is overloaded and vaporizes Skull, casting his essence far into space while Cap averts the destruction of America.

Mitigating features?

Red Skull

Heinousness?

He's a nasty mass experimenter and torturer who tries to "blow up half the planet" and kill billions of people. Plenty bad enough for an earth-based threat.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#21410: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:06:33 PM

And a completely and utterly unsurprised yes to another Red Skull as we discussed!

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
#21412: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:12:41 PM

[tup]Red Skull. Think I'm going retract my Trickster EP, doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#21414: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:17:44 PM

[tup] Adam, Red Skull

[up][up] There's no need to retract an EP if it gets downvoted, we can use it as a refernece in case he ever gets proposed again

Edited by Agentofchaos on Jul 26th 2023 at 4:17:53 AM

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TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#21415: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:18:49 PM

[tup] Red Skull

[up][up][up] Don't. Retracting your EP because you're receiveing downvotes is not something you should do, it's detrimental to the thread.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jul 26th 2023 at 5:19:25 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#21416: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:19:30 PM

  • The Last Castle: Colonel Ed Winter presents himself as a reasonable, benevolent warden of the military prison he runs, but is in truth a smug and sadistic control freak. Regularly using cruel manipulation and brutal abuse on the prisoners for petty fun, Winter flat out murders multiple men and frames them as "accidents" to avoid repercussions. Angry at his idol, General Irwin, for shaming his military collection, Winter dedicates himself to breaking Irwin completely by torturing and even murdering the friends the man makes in prison. When Irwin stages a near-bloodless prison uprising to overthrow Winter's harsh reign, Winter threatens to execute hundreds of prisoners just for saluting Irwin, then lethally shoots Irwin In the Back just for trying to raise a flag against Winter's wishes. Though claiming to care about his men and only use necessary evil when called for, Winter's facade is torn down and he's exposed for the spiteful bully he is, willing to abuse and threaten both prisoners and his own employees just for mild disrespect.

Edited by Ravok on Jul 26th 2023 at 1:19:56 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#21417: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:22:08 PM

[tup] To ADAM and red Skull

[tdown] To the Necrosword (it might be sentient but it’s out heinoused by other villains)

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21418: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:26:21 PM

Yes to Skull.

Unsure on ADAM; seems odd that he's not already up, but seems bad enough.

EDIT: Hmm, possible issue with Asmodeus?

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2023 at 4:31:47 AM

Demiuruji Since: Jul, 2023
#21419: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:32:15 PM

What's the work

  • Coffe in the morning is a spanish cosmic horror creepypasta that tells the thoughts of a deity that devours universes and sees them as nothing more than meals.

Who's the candidate?

  • The unnamed god is the main protagonist of the history. The god, at the beginning of history, created a universe with multiple galaxies and planets with life, soon they attacked the universe, destroying dozens of civilizations and galaxies, and colliding solar systems with each other; while for them, this is no more difficult than blowing and mixing hot coffee, it genuinely makes them happy to be considered an evil deity. And he noted that the universe was trying to defend itself and that the beings in it were in anguish, while causally mentioning having consumed hell itself before, and the story ends with them revealing that they create a universe and consume it daily, sometimes create them unconsciously, and say they could perfectly consume our reality in the next day.

Mitigating factors?

  • Although they are a god in a who can create worlds by simply thinking, they clearly understand human morals, being happy with being an evil god and ending civilizations and, could simply not plague the universe before. And although he says that being a god isn't easy due to being able to unconsciously create universes, it has been shown that he can also destroy them if he wants to and nothing more is ever said, so it doesn't count a freudian excuse.

Heinous Standards?

  • Well, while the same creator has made creepypastas involving the end of the world, it is never said that they share a multiverse, and even if they do, all beings have only managed to destroy one universe and have shown no understanding of human morality, while the god in this story has destroyed multiple universes and fully understands human morality and is proud of an evil god.

Verdict

  • For me, yes.

Edited by Demiuruji on Jul 26th 2023 at 1:35:18 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#21420: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:33:55 PM

[tup] to ADAM and Red Skull.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#21421: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:36:15 PM

[tup]Johann Schmidt

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#21423: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:48:07 PM

I guess sure to the God. Is there a link?

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2023 at 4:48:29 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
Demiuruji Since: Jul, 2023
#21425: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:51:36 PM

In the youtube spanish channel sr joel 336 videos " 5 Creepypastas about cosmic horror III " starting at 3:41 minute

Edited by Demiuruji on Jul 26th 2023 at 1:52:25 AM


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