Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
to ego, Ronan, and the trickster
Edited by G-Editor on Jul 26th 2023 at 11:46:31 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff![]()
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Sorry, adding it to the Drafts page now (this is my first time doing one of these). This is technically the D&D version of Asmodeus, who is listed on that page, so I'm changing the Satanic Archetype link to that.
Edited by Afterword on Jul 26th 2023 at 11:47:21 AM
Also me and scraggle are taking Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake if you don't mind.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."![]()
I believe we said at the end of the first section, yeah.
Edited to Add: looks like we were talking about putting him after the Campaign 2 CMs
so yeah
Edited by Afterword on Jul 26th 2023 at 12:05:34 PM
@ACW: Very sorry for the late reply, work and all that. The Trickster kills five people throughout the movie, but we have no exact number for the family at the end, but the girl says things like "they're all dead", which mean some sort of massacre. Add with Mind Rape, Cruel and Unusual Death and what he personally put Tim through, I believe he makes it.
What is the work?
Thor: Love and Thunder is the fourth film in the MCU's Thor series. While doing some soul-searching with the Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor learns that a sinister figure called the God Butcher is killing gods en-masse and has his sights set on New Asgard. Meanwhile, a cancer-stricken Jane Foster takes up the shattered Mjolnir to become the Mighty Thor. When the God Butcher, Gorr, abducts Asgard's children to bait Thor into a trap, he, Jane, and the bored-out-of-her-mind-and-eager-for-a-fight King Valkyrie set out to put a stop to his plan to kill all the gods in one fell swoop.Who is the candidate and what have they done?
The Necrosword is a sentient divine weapon of unknown origin, said to have been forged at the dawn of the universe and connected to the Eldritch Location known as the Shadow Realm. Passed down from wielder to wielder over the eons, it corrupts them into deicidal dark warlords with the power to manipulate darkness to teleport through shadows, form tendrils of living abyss to attack and restrain opponents, and even summon monstrous creatures made of living darkness. Like Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, it has a mind of its own, and unlike those weapons it speaks to its wielder — calling out to Gorr and choosing him as its wielder upon sensing his hatred for the gods. It also has a nasty habit of infecting its wielder with the Power of the Void, mutating into a monochrome monstrous form and slowly killing them the longer they wield it.
The Necrosword is introduced after its prior wielder, Knull the Dark Shadow Lord, was killed by the god Rapu and his entourage while attempting to genocide them under the Necrosword's influence. Sensing the despair of Gorr, a mortal alien who worshipped Rapu, the Necrosword calls out to him and lures him to its location. When Rapu mocks Gorr's despair at having lost his beloved daughter, the Necrosword chooses him as its next wielder and directs him to kill all the gods by using the Asgardian Bifrost to reach the cosmic entity Eternity.
Gorr and the Necrosword embark on a deicidal interstellar rampage, killing thousands of gods in the span of... a few days? It's hard to tell, but the Guardians of the Galaxy get tons of distress signals all at once. Using the Necrosword's power, Gorr manifests Shadow Monsters to rampage through New Asgard as a distraction while he tries to steal Stormbreaker, devouring several Asgardians before Thor and the Mighty Thor intervene. When he fails to kill Thor and/or steal Stormbreaker, Gorr uses the Necrosword's Shadow Monsters to abduct Asgard's children and lures him into the Shadow Realm. Setting a trap at the Moon of Shame, Gorr and the Necrosword torture Thor and his allies in an attempt to get him to summon Stormbreaker, critically wound Valkyrie in a battle that decimates the moon, and manages to take Stormbreaker from Thor.
When Thor and the Mighty Thor confront Gorr one last time in the Temple of Eternity, they manage to shatter the Necrosword. Before it can reconstitute itself, Jane Foster sacrifices herself to destroy it once and for all, breaking its hold over the now-dying Gorr, who Thor and Jane manage to persuade to recant his deicidal ambitions.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
None whatsoever. It's a sentient Evil Weapon that wants to kill all the gods and slowly kills its wielder on top of that.Are they bad enough?
While the actions of the Necrosword are Shrouded in Myth prior to Gorr acquiring it (due to Sony possessing the rights to Knull and the symbiotes), it's accrued a reputation of bloodshed and destruction over 14 billion years of deicide and is an object of terror among the gods of the MCU for good reason. Preying on Gorr's despair and anger, the Necrosword corrupts and manipulates him into massacring countless gods — entire pantheons — in brutally sadistic ways, not caring whether the gods were benevolent or malicious, with the intent of finding Eternity and wishing to exterminate the rest of them in one fell swoop. And unlike Gorr, who has a Freudian Excuse for his deicidal ambitions, the Necrosword doesn't.Final verdict?
I'd sayEdited by Arawn999 on Jul 26th 2023 at 11:29:15 AM
Honestly have to be No to the Necrosword, even if we say it's characterized enough (which I personally am doubtful of), I just don't think it's heinous enough. We don't get anywhere near an exact count for gods it has killed, and at this point in the MCU it's gonna take more to stand out than such ambiguous bodycounts of "every god could die", especially when universal levels of slaughter is a regular attempt by villains and nasties like the High Evolutionary are running around. "Tries to kill all gods" is too nebulous of an exact bodycount for me to say it's bad enough.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!No to the sword. It has no discernible personality beyond being a corrupting artifact and anything heinous enough that could push it over for heinousness is complete Fridge Horror.
I’ve watched the Thor movie but I don’t remember the sword actually doing much. Feels very similar to the Dweller-in-the-Dark (edit: Dweller-in-Darkness, remembered the name wrong) who is responsible for the corruption of the main villain but doesn’t really has a personality beyond evil monster who does evil things. It even talks less than the Dweller. So I'm voting
for the Necro Sword unless someone brings up some really convincing arguments.
Edited by NTG on Jul 26th 2023 at 11:43:56 AM
Arawn: Not really. Hell, the fact it acts as The Corruptor may even be enough to remove it from GDV territory.
for the Necrosword. Even though it's sentient, it has no personality to speak of and is little more than an Evil Weapon at its core.

So here's my (belated, apologies) attempt at a writeup for Asmodeus. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve it if y'all think it needs improving.