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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread, send it to the drafts page, and voila! Your candidate will soon be added to both the CM subpage and, if the work has a page, to the relevant YMMV page. It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of two works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble if the material on it is found to be copied and pasted from another source. You can quote for some pieces of it, but any wholesale copying will not only convince the thread that you have not actually consumed the work in question (and thus lead to the candidate being downvoted), it will lead to mod intervention in repeated instances.

  3. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  4. We use our own criteria for what constitutes a Complete Monster and do not care what another site uses for their criteria. Do not reference other sites approving a character for their CM equivalent as a reason why we should approve them; this will very quickly lead to mod intervention.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Tabs on Jan 18th 2023 at 9:51:01 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Relationship Status: -not set
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:43:13 PM

Yes to him. ("attempted to invent manmade godhood"? Come again?).

Why does Indy so often seem to downplay the Nazis?

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Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:46:23 PM

[tup]Nur-Ab-Sal.

Why so serious?
therealjackieboy Alternative Beast from Austin, TX Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Alternative Beast
ForgoLight The Ultimate Lifeform Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Ultimate Lifeform
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:49:49 PM

[tup] to En-Sabah-Nur... I mean Nur-Ab-Sal.

Snailfish The Timeless One from The planet Oban Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
The Timeless One
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:50:04 PM

[tup]Nur Ab Sal. Also, let me get this straight; An Atlantis powered by alien technology; an ambitious king who tried to weaponize it with horrible results; the villains planning to loot the ancient city for its power, the hero's love interest being the vessel of an otherworldly being, the Big Bad getting a gnarly Body Horror demise from the same artifact he sought to exploit. Did somebody at Disney studios play this game?

[down] I was actually referring to Atlantis the Lost Empire. Nur Ab Sal kind of sounds like Kida's father if he was far more cruel and insane.

Edited by Snailfish on Jan 24th 2023 at 3:55:56 AM

"I am the lord of Purity, who tolerates no deviation."
Ordeaux26 Professor Gigachad from Canada Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Professor Gigachad
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:53:02 PM

The game was made before Disney purchased the series.

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RyanPuffs She/Her from Big Bill Hell's Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
She/Her
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:59:24 PM

[tup] to Nur-Ab-Sal

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EmperorGeode Relationship Status: On the prowl
Jan 24th 2023 at 3:59:46 PM

@ ACW, Well to be fair Indy is far from only work to have Nazis as villain while downplaying their evil.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jan 24th 2023 at 4:00:36 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ordeaux26 Professor Gigachad from Canada Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Professor Gigachad
Jan 24th 2023 at 4:03:48 PM

I am guessing it is probably due to Indiana Jones being aimed toward a more general audience so it does make some sense they won't show the true magnitude of how evil the nazis are.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jan 24th 2023 at 4:21:25 AM

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ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Best Smile
Jan 24th 2023 at 4:04:08 PM

[tup]}A. O. Neville, Batu, DiMarco, Duke Red, The Lady, Castenado, Maldur, The Benjamins, Lucius, Singularity, Mathers, Dreameater, Keith, Sofonius, Krancke, Dick. Melmont, Chernabog, Sherman, The Ripper, Vilain, Tenoroc, Alien, Mari (Again), Cradle, Mick, Jameson, The Chancellor, The Murderer, Nur-Ab-Sal.

[tdown]Turbo, Markovic, Orlov, Billy, Adam Taurus, Bowser.

Abstain on Jack.

I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me Blaine
Scraggle PAX ROMANA from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
PAX ROMANA
Jan 24th 2023 at 4:05:48 PM

I'm not even sure we can excuse it under the "family-friendly" clause. One of the only two Nazis who kept was from a middle-grade book.

You did it! You archived lost media! Isn't that what you wanted?
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Jan 24th 2023 at 4:16:56 PM

Regardless, such a conversation is outside the scope of this thread.

[tup] Nur.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Jan 24th 2023 at 5:37:35 PM

First time posting in the new thread! I've had one that's been sitting in the oven for a bit, but I waited for the sake of solid progress being made to clear the backlog.

What is the work?

Chouriki Sentai Ohranger is the nineteenth season of Super Sentai. The Machine Empire Baranoia, ancient pseudo-alien robots, have arrived to conquer the Earth. Standing in their way are five Japanese air force pilots chosen to be bathed in an ancient power and use advanced technology to fight them as the titular team.

I could go into more detail, but for the sake of this proposal, the main plot does not matter. None of the main villains count; they're a family and genuinely love each other, and the only other main villain - an usurper who shows up after the Big Bad turns out to be the Disc-One Final Boss - falls victim to Eviler than Thou when the royal family takes power again and is given an Alas, Poor Villain sendoff.

So that leaves the Machine Beasts, the Monster of the Week group of the season. Most aren't worth writing home about, especially since very badly timed real world disasters caused the filler episodes to shift to an extremely comedic tone partway through, only reverting back to a darker tone when the main story picked up.

...Except one. One who didn't get the message. The one from the last purely filler episode. An episode written by the man who would go on to be one of the main writers of Resident Evil 2. And, of all the Monsters of the Week I've seen in this series, easily the most revolting of the lot.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Bara Nightmare.

Who is he? What has he done

Bara Nightmare is a Machine Beast with power over dreams created long before the invasion of Earth. Over a decade ago, he rebelled for unknown reasons and fled to Earth. Once he got there, he realized something about himself. To be totally blunt?

The guy's a disgusting pedophile who, in his own words, loves cute little girls.

Setting up shop under an elementary school, Bara Nightmare would find one or two girls each year that appealed to him the most and kidnap them, ensuring they would be proclaimed dead in the real world. In reality, he stopped their aging and trapped them in a dream where he has them act out whatever fantasy comes to mind to satisfy him. He does this for over a decade before his first victim, a girl named Mayumi, takes advantage of being trapped in a nightmare to send glimpses of her nightmares to her childhood best friend Momo Maruo. Momo just so happens to be Oh Pink, and despite not apparent connection to Baranoia, she's given permission to investigate.

Bara Nightmare very quickly finds her when she arrives at the school and drags her into the nightmare, with the timely arrival of her teammates being the only thing saving her from being physically kidnapped as well. In the dream world, Bara Nightmare reveals himself to Momo and very creepily rubs his face on his photo album of the girls before attacking her. What follows is a genuine horror sequence where Bara Nightmare tries to physically and mentally break her, culminating in her finding the skeletons of the girls and him bragging that he killed them all. Momo refuses to believe him and eventually stumbles upon his "secret dream" where he has the very much alive girls act out his fantasies, in this case them playing basketball.

At this point, the other Ohrangers have infiltrated the dream and made their way to Momo and Bara Nightmare, successfully ejecting them both from the dream world. Now awake, the Ohrangers find his hideout under the school and discover the girls, only for Bara Nightmare to attack. They effortlessly finish him off, freeing the girls.

Heinousness?

Baranoia is a massive invasion force. They even succeed in conquering Earth for six months in the final episodes and subjecting it to a reign of terror. They're one of the worst villain groups in the franchise. Thing is? Bara Nightmare stands out for being completely and utterly alone. He's completely separate from Baranoia - in fact, none of the regular Baranoia members or even any Mooks show up at all. Bara Nightmare is closer to a random criminal who just so happens to have supernatural powers. He only has around a dozen victims, but he's also a contender for least amount of resources in the entire franchise.

Mitigating factors?

In terms of redeeming qualities? No. Not a chance. He's a proud pedophile who plans to trap his victims in his sick fantasies for eternity and holds back enough to ensure the girls are considered as having died in an accident, but nevertheless plans on adding to his victim count.

The only real concern is that this is a kid's show. They do pull punches. Sex is never mentioned, and none of the girls are shown traumatized afterwards, instead all being extraordinarily happy to be free. Regardless, there's more than enough here. Bara Nightmare is an utter slimeball targeting little girls to act out his perverted fantasies, and his excessively creepy mannerisms and lines - in particular, him rubbing his photo album up to his face while saying "I love little girls. I can't get enough of them!" - combined with the scene of him making the girls play basketball for his viewing pleasure, his original victim sending out a cry for help, and the fact that he plans on preserving them for his fantasies for eternity, is enough. What's more, we meet Mayumi's mother early in the episode and get a devastatingly realistic look at parents of children in this situation - she's broken, refuses to believe her daughter is dead, and keeps her room exactly as it was eleven years ago. I can safely say this is as far as the envelope can be pushed for a pedophile in this series.

Verdict?

[tup]. As I mentioned at the start, I've seen over half the seasons of the franchise by now, but this is by far the most vile Monster of the Week I've seen.

Echidna Just a Canadian guy who likes characters. from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Just a Canadian guy who likes characters.
Jan 24th 2023 at 5:52:03 PM

[tup] to Nur-Ab-Sal and Bara.

Jan 24th 2023 at 5:55:38 PM

[tup] to Bara. Just reading that description makes me wanna puke.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:02:59 PM

[tup] Bara Nightmare. Was gonna make a Bara Genre joke, but figured that would be in poor taste considering the subject manner. Yeesh. Imagine that- a pedophile villain in a Sentai series, of all places... mind-boggling.

Edited by MasterN on Jan 24th 2023 at 6:08:08 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ShootingStar7X Just call me Solemn. Relationship Status: -not set
Just call me Solemn.
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:08:10 PM

[up][up]Don't worry, I'll get a bucket!

[tup] to...the Super Sentai pedophile. No wonder why this episode wasn't adapted into Power Rangers Zeo.

Edited by ShootingStar7X on Jan 24th 2023 at 6:10:22 AM

RyanPuffs She/Her from Big Bill Hell's Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
She/Her
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:16:01 PM

[tup] to Bara Nightmare. Holy shit today has been a dark day here for proposals. First that version of Mari and now this

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G-Editor President Curtis from White House Space ship Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:25:56 PM

Remind me again, how many suggestions can we have per page here? Because I think I've got a potential candidate as well.

Edited by eruptor142 on Jan 24th 2023 at 9:26:20 AM

Ordeaux26 Professor Gigachad from Canada Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Professor Gigachad
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:35:17 PM

It's 4 so you can post one now if you want.

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ShootingStar7X Just call me Solemn. Relationship Status: -not set
Just call me Solemn.
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:35:32 PM

[up][up]Four per page and four per hour. Also, I hope I got that bucket for you in time -- I don't want to see vomit on your effortpost!

Alright, I'll stop...

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by ShootingStar7X on Jan 24th 2023 at 6:35:56 AM

papyru30 POOT BIRB from South Dakota for school Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
POOT BIRB
Jan 24th 2023 at 6:37:44 PM

Yes to Mick, Jameson, the Chancelor, the fnaf music guy, Nur-Ab-Sal, and Bara

Lover of Potoo birds and Undertale

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