Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
I just wanna ask considering some Digimon villains who really deserved to be here but are somehow glossed over are proposed.
Just how high is the heinous standard of the franchise as a whole? On one hand almost all of them have at least 1 CM but on the other hand a awful lot seems to be planetary-scale. From what I saw Ghost Game looks ridiculous, X-Antibody seemingly requires worlds to be destroyed, but the rest don't look too high.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jun 4th 2023 at 12:58:13 AM
Can’t speak for manga and games, but most anime’s take place in their own universe (first two and adventure tri share universe, while in third made treats first two as sho within show, last season of Fusion has crossover finale).
Japanese franchises of this tipe generaly have every new instalment be its own continuity.
Yes to Barbamon and Lucemon. They're from a more obscure manga in the franchise with its own continuity, them "being missed" or "glossed over" for so long makes total sense to me and as said above, a lot of Digimon stuff has its own continuity.
- Investigations 2: Blaise Debeste is the Chairman of the P.I.C., whose cruel nature has lead to the corruption of the justice system. A self-proclaimed sadist and bully, Blaise's greatest joy has always been ruining lives with his prosecution tactics, boasting that he has sent hundreds of people to life imprisonment after pretending he would offer them a plea bargain. Blaise has fabricated evidence, faked autopsies and framed innocents for decades, abusing the prosecution system so freely that he hosts black market auctions of importan evidence. Blaise is the one who drove Manfred von Karma to murder by tricking him into using a fake autopsy to send an innocent men to prison, only to then penalize the perfectionist von Karma for fun. A dreadful father to his son Sebastian, Blaise has abused the boy for years and tried to mold him into a perfect prosecutor, and responds to Sebastian's repeated failures by bullying him into a total breakdown. Having helped murder the President of Zheng Fa to empower his body double to take his place, Blaise also helps murder reporter Jack Cameron to cover it up, and later kills Cameron's girlfriend when she comes seeking revenge. Blaise then tries to frame an amnesiac Kay for the killing, and when he is eventually exposed for his many crimes, Blaise tries to kidnap the judge's son and threaten him with death to get away scot-free.
Edited by Ravok on Jun 3rd 2023 at 10:05:32 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Just a heads up, been an IP Thread
for City Hunter if anyone wants to drop in.
This isn't one of mine so thought I'd let you folks know.
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
to Barbamon and Lucemon X.
Anyways since Ninjago
has seven canidates approved with them sharing a tree, could there be a CM page for Ninjago or is it too little?
Edited by BillyPeepers92 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 12:55:44 PM
Alrighty, the timer for the Asa Shinn's proposal has ended, she was approved!
Maybe that's why she kept getting rejected, i was proposing the wrong character!
Anyways, here's the write up that i helped write with Ravok.
- Jezaille Brett, real name Asa Shinn, is in truth a sadistically xenophobic assassin sent by the justice system of Britain, being one of the most important members of the main conspiracy in the game, and the most despicable of them. Already known as an assassin in the dark corners of London, she was hired by Mael Stronghart to assassinate every person who escaped the guilty verdict from the cases of Barok van Zieks, with a total of 16 victims killed in numerous "accidents", effectively being the one who made him into "The Reaper of The Bailey". Later on, she would be sent to Japan under a fake identity to be a student of John Wilson, only for her to assassinate him with an agonizing, undiscovered poison, and while later shooting the corpse to blame Ryunosuke Naruhodo for the crime. When she was pulled to the trial of the murder, she would would make racist remarks against the Japanese, and at one point, she breaks an important piece of evidence just to laugh upon her untouchable superiourity. Taking pleasure in the pain of others, including those of her same ethnicity, Asa demonstrates how low the British could go in terms of hating other races.
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:08:09 AM
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)I'm pretty sure Evil Brit doesn't apply to works where the entire cast are British. (The trope page even says so).
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Oh uh to clarify. The point of that trope is their is meant to be a contrast with the cast being of a different nationality usually American so the British thing stands out. Doesn't really apply when like the whole cast are the same nationality.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."- Carrion Comfort: William "Willi" Borden is the most evil user of the Ability in the story, who values his sadistic fun above all else. Once an SS officer named Wilhelm von Borchert, he was the infamous "Oberst" who traumatized Saul Laski by forcing him to commit murder. Borchert ordered the deaths of thousands in World War II, and would regularly host "games" where hundreds of concentration camp prisoners were routinely sacrificed as pawns in a life-size chess board. Upon reinventing himself as Borden, he created an annual game alongside fellow Ability-users that revolved around committing the most heinous actions to gain "points." Borden created serial killers, family annihilators and terrorists to rack up the most points, and when he gets bored of such small stakes, he tries to take over the Island Club so as to play his "game" using entire countries as pawns in a world-wide war. Borden tortures, rapes and kills dozens more innocents in his way to achieve his goals, and betrays multiple allies the second it conveniences him to do so.
Anyone know where Mimic is? There are those Jurassic League writeups.
@ACW
Sorry for being so late, I've been very busy lately. I tried to write some entries in a hurry, but they may not be very good:
- Darkyloseid is an Ankylosaurus version of Darkseid, and is just as bad as any others. In the form of The Dark Embryo, he traveled to many planets to consume their populations before destroying them, only sparing the strongest beings to force them to serve him. Upon arriving on Earth, The Dark Embryo has his generals bring him countless humans in order to consume their life energy as well. After his generals failed to defeat a group of superheroes, The Dark Embryo consumes Blackmantasaurus and Reverse-Slash, allowing him to hatch as its true form. Darkyloseid then starts his annihilation of Earth by attacking the island of Trimyscira, killing several of the inhabitants. When confronted to the Jurassic League, Darkyloseid decides to devour his own horde of warriors, including Jokerzard, to gain the strength to crush them all.
- Jokerzard is a Serial Killer infamous for his tendency to kill for pleasure. Years ago, Jokerzard brutally murdered the parents of the young Bat-Walker in front of him, traumatizing him for life. At some point, he agreed to serve the cruel alien Darkyloseid, knowing full well that he plans to wipe out all life on Earth once he hatches as his true form. Jokerzard gleefully brings him many captured humans and dinosaurs to consume, including the family of Bat-Walker's sidekick, while keeping their bones as trophies. After the hatching of Daryloseid, Jokerzard rallies his horde of warriors and leads them to attack the tribe of Metraaaghpolis. When Bat-Walker comes to confront him, Jokerzard cruelly taunts him by telling him how much he enjoyed killing his parents before trying to kill him once and for all.
Edited by Mimic45 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 1:18:33 PM
to Barbemon and Lucemon X
I’m surprised that no one has Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse reserved yet (really freaking amazing movie and sequel btw).
Edited by Fireball246 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 4:17:55 AM
Okay, my first CM, so let's go.
What is the work?
Fall of Starfleet, Rebirth of Friendship is a My Little Pony War Fic written in response to Dakari-King Mykan's fanfic My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic. It's a fairly dark fic with lots of gore and rape, but despite being about a brutal war between a dystopia and The Horde, its morality is pretty lighthearted. The Mane Six tolerate killing in battle, but try to keep it to a minimum, and are quite forgiving to even deadly enemies. While many bystanders are ungrateful and racist, they tend to come around when the heroes save their lives. The Proud Warrior Race Guys that comprise Starfleet are cruel initially, but experience major character development. Several of the Quirky Miniboss Squad are decent people who try not to engage in pointless sadism and befriend the slaves, even making Heel Face Turns. Even the Big Bad, who could honestly get his own listing, is a surprisingly Benevolent Boss. But this guy really takes the cake in nearly any work, let alone this.
Who is it? What has it done?
Positive Eugenic, alias Emil Kudos or the Doctor, is an earth pony supremacist obsessed with "proving" his race's superiority. He does this through countless torturous experiments on other races to show the strength of earth ponies. He'll do it to earth ponies in a heartbeat in order to have someone to compare it to. We are shown, on-page, many of his experiments, including cutting out a unicorn's heart and pumping blood by hand to compare how long she lasted to an earth pony. Look, I'll just bring up one of his quotes here: "In a nursery full of foals, if you were to gas them, it is usually the earth ones that survive the longest." How does he know this? That should be obvious.
Now, personally, I think that should be enough to validate him. But he's done even more, most prominently tricking Applejack's parents, having just had Apple Bloom, into walking past a manticore den, causing their deaths. He wanted to see if an earth pony filly who lost everything could build herself back up afterwards, and considers her a failure because Big Mac, Granny Smith, and Apple Bloom survived. He mentions planning to redo with Apple Bloom, who is 10 when the story takes place, or Rarity and Spike's kirin daughter, an infant.
In addition, Kudos is a complete sociopath. He believes that he might be called a monster now, but history will validate him and he'll be revered as a genius. Not a single one of his crimes brings out anything in him but detached interest as to what'll happen next.
When Grand Ruler arrives and basically conquers Equestria (long story, read the fic to find out) he recruits Kudos. It should be noted that Grand Ruler is a fanatical supremacist for his own race, which he puts on top of earth ponies, and has them reduced to second-class citizens. Kudos helps him without a care in the world, because Grand Ruler gives him more resources for his experiments and occasionally commissions a few experiments of his own. These experiments include warping Raven, a completely innocent bat-pony, into an insane murderer with a hatred of Celestia and her memories scrambled. Raven goes on to cause much trouble throughout the story, and Kudos works alongside her, not once telling her about her previous life. When she finds out anyway, he taunts her about it and still refuses to tell her anything. Doing so would cost him nothing and, due to the way he messed with her head, wouldn't actually cause her to make a Heel-Face Turn. He just did it because he could.
Kudos eventually abandons Grand Ruler out of annoyance with Grand Ruler's refusal to let him experiment on Unicornicopians, bearing no gratitude whatsoever for the aid he did receive. He joins up with Dark Conquest, the fic's main villain. What is Dark Conquest like, you ask?
"I mean, yeah, I rape, murder, commit genocide, rape, devastate worlds, write bad fanfiction about a show I hate, steal, rape, blow up planets on a whim, kill, murder children, cause wanton murder on a global scale, and rape animals- poor Bambi’s mom- but at least I am honest about my evil!"
So yeah, that's his boss. And that's not even half the things he's done. He continues his horrific experiments under this guy without a care in the world, and reactivates several extremely dangerous magical artifacts for his troops to use, such as the Rings of Fear, which cause the target to endure their greatest fear in the most brutal way possible. He also begins stalking Applejack, taunting her about being a "failure" and threatening her loved ones. In the end, he goes insane with his hatred of her and tries to kill her by going One-Winged Angel into a very muscular earth pony and beating her to death. Also, he isn't even a full earth pony, he has unicorn ancestry.
Mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?
He grew up in a supportive, well-off home under caring parents and a sister. His parents didn't share his views in any way. He wasn't bullied. His only major issue was that he was impaired when it comes to earth pony magic. He's a skinny nerd with no super-strength and is rather limited as far as Green Thumb goes. He could also never figure out their ancient martial art, Hamon (the author's a Jojo fan), but really nobody knows that anymore. So basically he did all this out of an inferiority complex. Oh, and I mentioned his sister? He experimented on her too and twisted her into a psychotic killer unable to feel pain who would and did kill herself if she was captured.
Final verdict
An insane, racist, sociopathic, spiteful monster, Emil Kudos is perhaps the worst out of all the fanfic's numerous villains (although I'll be back to list them). He has no real reason to do what he does, nor any bonds with others or morals. I think he qualifies. How about you?
Edited by GhidorahUltima on Jun 3rd 2023 at 8:50:32 AM
Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....So as someone familiar with this fic:
- Even Evil Has Standards: When trying to tell Conquest about one of his past victims (who Conquest naturally does not remember), Kudos becomes noticeably uncomfortable when describing what he did to them.
- Heel Realization: Played for Laughs; as the final epilogue shows, after eighteen years of soul-searching, Kudos comes to the conclusion that he was "kind of an asswipe".
Unless there's any bits i missed that counter these,
to The Doctor.

to Lucemon X.
Us tropers stick together.