Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
I’m fine retaining my
for Frank McCarthy. Raping your own daughter and driving her to commit suicide is unique even by CSI standards
to Bancroft and Mccarthy (I think the Driven to Suicide thing is enough to push him over the edge for that show).
Dr. Hope.
Bancroft.
Pilawski.
Mother Brain.
I also just got out of The Boogeyman (2023). Gonna catch Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse tomorrow.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."New EP time.
Setting?
Digimon Next. Tsurugi Tatsuno is a Digimon Tamer in our world, keeping his digimon in a V Pet and enjoying competitions until mysterious events happen and he ends up having to travel to the Digital World to stop the nefarious Commandments in their quest to gather the Eight Digi Memories and Take Over the World.
Our candidate? The Big Bad himself.
Who is Barbamon?
The Demon Lord of Greed, Barbamon is in a quest to gather the Eight Digi Memories and ensure his complete dominion over the digital world and ensuring its "rebirth".
One day, Barbamon suddenly appeared and hijacked its host computer Yggdrassil, taking control of the Digital World and ordering the extermination of many digimon for the sake of a rebirth, taking special interest in exterminating the "illegal Digimon".
When The Rival Shou's appear alongside his partner Peckmon (A Illegal Digimon), they are found having the Dark Elemental Digimemory and this convinces Barbamon to spare them in exchange for becoming generals of his army.
Barbamon sends his army "The Commandments" to gather the Digimemories and their methods are pretty much a PG Rated Rape, Pillage, and Burn, with the Barba Army constantly carrying massacres in their way.
As you can imagine from this screenshot, this is the typical behavior of the Commandments. Their atrocities of their different soldiers are many, from trying/suceeding at wiping out settlements or even going as far as to attack the land of Digi-eggs trying to turn the newborn digimon into soldiers.
This particular crime is even more notorious, as Barbamon's hijacking of the Digital world caused its reincarnation cycle to be warped and limited the birth rate of Digimon. So yes, Barbamon did effectively cause digimon to suffer mass sterility.
Oh, the Commandments also kill their own injured soldiers. Nice guys.
I could list multiple atrocities carried by the Commandments here, but they practically commit a new noteworthy crime every chapter. So let's focus in Bagramon himself.
Hoping to obtain the Digi Memory of Machines. Barbamon orders a air raid of Light City, house of Andromon. This is despicted as a deadly event, with small groups of refugees being sheltered in the underground.
Ordering a new attack, this time with Chaosdramon at the helm. Shou is also send to deal with Tsurugi, attacking as a spy. Shou is defeated and redeems himself promising to help Tsurugi while Chaosdramon kills Andromon, blowing up the remains of the city in the process.
Ordering a withdrawal for tactical reasons, the heroes decide to invade Barbamon's castle to rescue their friend Ami and her partner Pichimon, who unknowing to them was already fused with the supermachine of Barbamon, NEO.
As the heroes arrive to his castle and fight the Commandement's leaders, its revealed Chaosdramon was explicitly Made of Evil for Barbamon.
The heroes find the Demon Lord and he explains them the truth. Barbamon never really killed Ygdrassil. He convinced Ygdrassil to divide herself into multiple parts after discussing with her about the pain of digimon.
Thus, Barbamon basically became the instrument of Ygdrassil putting both Humans and Digimon in a test of character, with him being allowed to recreate everything if he wins. The fight against Barbamon starts and Tsurugi is unable to fight because as the Arbitatrator—one of Ygdrassil's The Chosen One—, he can't fight while fueled by rage and anger.
Tsurugi shows Barbamon that he fighting for the sake of his friends and their hopes, with his Digimon Victory Greymon letally injuring the demon lord.
With his last breath, Barbamon decides to give all his power to his creation NEO. NEO awakens and proceeds to become the strongest digital being ever recorded, erasing the digital and human worlds, leaving the heroes as the only survivors until NEO is convinced by them to recreate the old world(s) by their bravery.
Mitigant traits?
Barbamon justifies his actions as a attempt to sewer tiers between worlds, mentioning how humans would abuse digimon (because they thought digimon were fictional creatures). However, this is a peak Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist.
Many members believe it genuinely, but Barbamon? Its a good argument to legitimize his war of conquest and that's nice for him.
He convinced Ygdrassil with it...and he basically proceeds to basically serve as the demented, A God I Am side of Ygdrassil while Norn, a human girl who inherited Ygdrassil's memories serves as the good side.
Barbamon is a sadistic monster whose rethoric of a revolution is a rethoric to justify his desire to remake the world In Their Own Image. He is a petty and cruel Knight Templar who enjoys causing pain and would ultimately kill **everyone**. Human and Digimon alike, with not even the Commandments soldiers being spared.
Heinous standard?
A lot. **Lot** of slaughter in the digital world. Entire settlements, from forest tribes to futuristic cities are destroyed for the Commandments.
Barbamon is no Orcus on His Throne. He is seen ordering a lot of the atrocities and reacting to them. When Light City is destroyed and Andromon is killed, Barbamon celebrates his death in front of the horrified Norn.
Heck, Chaosdramon, who is easily one of the most heinous villains of the series? He was created by Barbamon himself using the data from the Dark Area (which makes Chaosdramon to be Made of Evil, at least per the lore of NEXT, which means he can't count).
His final plan to use NEO to rewrite the entire digital world kills every single digimon and human aside from the Main Characters, with this plan being undone only because NEO developed his own consciousness and morals without Barbamon's influence.
This was Barbamon's final plan put in action.
Yes, easy pass here
Verdict?
You decide.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:01:49 AM
Watch me destroying my countryGoing against the grain, but I am giving
for Ivan Ooze due to things like "Brady Bunch Reunion", this silly noise https://youtu.be/-foMd8WqDNo?t=4
, shaking the snowcone with Lord Zedd talking high-pitched, summoning minions via snot, and getting kicked in the balls into a meteor sounding jokey for me. Also maybe the "how about taking another quack at it" and then killing bird minions accompanied by a bird sound, but I am not sure as that may just be sadistic.
Barbamon
You mean
to Barbamon?
is next to
so I figured you meant upvote. ![]()
Okay.
Edited by Flowman on Jun 2nd 2023 at 11:07:04 AM
Yes to Barbamon. Is this guy basically the Frieza/Palpatine/other famous Big Bad Complete Monster who punches well about their weight, for Digimon? As in, literally everything in the series is his fault and he's easily among the most awful characters in his franchise?
(And yes I'm well aware not EVERYTHING in DBZ and Star Wars are Frieza and Palpatine's fault I'm just using them as examples of incredibly heinous characters in relatively Family friendly media.)
Edited by Klavice on Jun 2nd 2023 at 9:59:55 AM
Not at all. Digimon's continuities don't follow each other at all.
Now there are C Ms who are extremely influential for their continuities. Myotismon for the Adventure duology, Analogman for the World games, etc.
Lucemon has a lot of CM versions even if they aren't related to each other tho.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 2nd 2023 at 12:03:09 PM
Watch me destroying my countryOh right, I remembered a fanfic version instead.
But...maybe that can change.
Setting?
Digimon Chronicles X is a short story written to promote the then new V-Pets. Unlike other stories, this one is set in the called "Core World" of Digimon.
See, Digimon works in a curious way. There is a V-Pet World that basically serves as the In-Universe Fountain of Expies. Technically, every other Digimon media is just a reflection (straight or warped) of the Core World (Fan Nickname for it).
This exists to justify why Digimon can be so different from adaptation to adaptation, its a giant patch that basically has a mutual Broad Strokes relationship with the rest of the franchise
It gets even weirder when Mangas like V-Tamer are considered part of the V-Pet world, at least in a strong Broad Strokes way. Heck, Demon appears here and it openly references his V-Tamer final plan, saying how his X-Antibody form did match the power of his Super Ultimate form, going as far as to shown Ulforce Veedramon as his Arch-Enemy.
However, it also had its own storylines set exclusively in guidebook short stories. One of the most famous? Digimon Chronicles, who got a movie adaptation in 3D and served as the inspiration for Savers/ Data Squad and Cyber Sleuth. Its a huge deal in the Digimon franchise.
Then it got a sequel following the aftermath of Chronicles
You can find it here, with a English option to read
Our candidate...
Who is Lucemon X?
Lucemon, leader of the Seven Demon Lords, got a X antibody (something that gives a power up and new form to their users) from the previous Digimon Chronicles storyline and evolved to his Over Heaven form.
Because he is literally just Eyes of Heaven DIO. Seriously.
Lucemon is sealed in the Dark Area, but after getting the X Antibody and becoming even stronger, he begins a plan that includes giving a X Antibody to all the demon lords.
The Demon Lords re-start a invasion to the Digital Worlds —in this continuity, the Digital World was divided into two worlds. The Old Digital world which is a wasteland struggling to survive since the apocalypse carried by Ygdrassil and the Royal Knights (this was loosely adapted in Digimon Savers, that is why Villain Royal Knights is such a popular plot) in the previous storyline and the New Digital World, a new place of infinite capacity where Ygdrassil wouldn't be forced to carry apocalyptic mathusian measures.
The Royal Knights and their allies mount a succesful defense to the invasion, where Lucemon mocks Jesmon after injuring his mentor Gankoomon.
Even if Lucemon has the advantage in numbers—especially given a lot of his enemies have power ups—he is not going to play fair at all...
Using Keramon X (a mutated version of the Big Bad of Our War Game and Diaboromon Strikes Back—famous for his capacity of absortion of data), Lucemon plays a tricky gambit.
The Seven Demon Lords in the "Core World" (this continuity) have a inmortality where if they die, they are back to be sealed in the Dark Area, but even stronger than before. Using Keramon X and his evolution Diaboromon X, Lucemon makes them absorb all the still unaware post-resurrection Demon Lords and lets himself be absorbed.
Diaboromon X breaks the gates of the worlds and attacks the Royal Knights, Kota and Yuji (protagonists of the original Digimon Chronicles). This fight is just a test for their mass fusion to create a new dark digimon.
Ogudomon X has born.
How bad its that?
Ogudomon X is widely considered the strongest Digimon of the entire franchise
Going to quote the short story itself to shown bad it its.
With the arrival of the massive Ogudomon X, the world slowly begins to collapse. The ground tears itself asunder, the texture of the sky falls away, and the entire world is bathed in a pitch-black wireframe
Ogudomon X's power is too great. Its mere existence is enough to threaten the world's annihilation. Lucemon X had plotted this from the very beginning. By becoming Ogudomon X, it was now attempting to lead the Digital World to utter ruin.
If things were to continue as such, the Old Digital World would be obliterated completely, and even the New Digital World may face the threat of collapse
Ultimately, Jesmon gets his new powerup. Jesmon GX and combines its already massive power with the powers of his companions to cleave Ogudomon X, killing him and forcing the Demon Lords to return to the Dark Area
Heinous standard?
Obliterating not one, but Two Digital Worlds? Sure.
Now, this is a case where the heinous standard is massive given Ygdrassil's plan on the first Digimon Chronicles, where the Royal Knights planned to purge the entire first digital world (and effectively, did kill a lot of beings before being stopped) and let some chosen ones to populate the New Digital World before beign stopped and convinced to stop for the heroes of the first Chronicles.
However, Lucemon X has a even bigger attempted bodycount, threatening two Digital Worlds by basically, mere malice.
Ygdrassil wanted to destroy a digital world because it's overpopulation was causing their systems to fail and collapse, Lucemon X wanted to destroy the digital worlds because he wants to spite Ygdrassil.
Mitigant traits?
Not one at all. Lucemon shares his Frontier backstory of a Fallen Angel who rebelled because his egomania. He is polite and smart, but its Faux Affably Evil that obviously gets dropped in scenes like where he mocked Jesmon after injuring Gankoomon.
The thing that made me iffy for so long?...
The story is short. Very Short. You can read it in like, 20 minutes. However...I think Lucemon does it enough, he has a clear characterization and shows his Manipulative Bastard skills with a fairly complex plan
Jesmon serves as The Hero for this tale, with Jesmon GX' appareance being the great hype moment of the story.
Verdict?
You decide.
I think this storyline can be compared to the ones shown in the Tabletop RPG manuals where villains get short, but direct characterizations.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:16:36 PM
Watch me destroying my country
to the DIO Expy Lucemon. I read this thing before and I can tell this is another "why is this guy not here yet" moment.
The story isn't a problem here since it has somewhat of a substantial plot. Maybe if it's just a description of "Lucemon X does horrible things" I might not let this slide, but this is clearly not the case.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:40:37 AM

How do games like this work with reservations ?
Since its updates. Wait a month before the next one.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."