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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

Atlantis1930 Since: May, 2012
#12426: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:01:43 AM

I think I lean [tup] to Caesar. Despite his onscreen victims being unsympathetic he still attempts to torture two women to death horifically. That plus his low rank pushes him over the line for me.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#12427: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:03:45 AM

I think Caesar just makes it as well.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#12428: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:04:49 AM

[tup] to The Demon, Dan Marlowe, Georges Gerber and Caeser (sounds like he just makes it).

Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#12429: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:10:13 AM

[tdown] on Caesar. Trying to torture the 2 women that are protagonists that literally tried to thwart him and spending the rest torturing Asshole Victims doesn't seem like he would make the cut, especially if everyone else is doing it and likely kicked dogs.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Apr 25th 2023 at 9:11:45 PM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#12430: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:15:00 AM

[tup]Dan and Georges

Slight [tup] to Caesar

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12431: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:35:51 AM

Abstain on Caesar. Aside from agreeing to the deal, he may not be bad enough compared to the others.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#12432: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:40:17 AM

Unsure on Caesar but yea to Gerber and Dan.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 25th 2023 at 9:51:52 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#12433: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:40:38 AM

[tup]caesar

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#12434: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:45:40 AM

[tup] to gerber and Dan

Abstain on Caesar

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Fireball246 Since: Jan, 2023
#12435: Apr 25th 2023 at 6:49:42 AM

Abstain on Caesar. Really not sure if he really is heinous enough.

Braz Luz Stan from Boiling Isles (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Luz Stan
#12436: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:06:08 AM

Abstain on Caesar.

I already did the write-up for Spamton.


  • A Different Snowgrave: Spamton G. Spamton is the psychotic and sadistic salesman from Cyber City who manages to be even worse than his incarnation in the Weird Route. Aiding the SOUL with their massacre around Cyber City by giving them the Thorn Ring, torturing Noelle both physically and mentally, thus resulting in her using Snowgrave on Kris. Shortly after Kris's presumed death, the salesman hides behind a cardbox and discovers about Queen's giant robot, so he goes to her castle and uploads himself inside it, succeeding at taking over Cyber City. When Noelle — who was partially possessed by the SOUL— was walking towards the fountain, he shows himself to congratulate the player, only to try burning Noelle alive when she cast Snowgrave on him and saw they wanted to seal the fountain. After emerging the scraps of Spamton GIGA, he knocks Noelle with his arm cannon, claiming that every action has consequences before cackling maniacally, after saying he gave you the "biggest shot of your [life]".

What any of you think about this write-up?

Us tropers stick together.
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#12437: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:11:25 AM

Did Spamton get enough votes?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
Braz Luz Stan from Boiling Isles (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Luz Stan
#12439: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:31:27 AM

[up][up]Considering there is a pending write-up in the pending votes page, then yes.

Us tropers stick together.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12440: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:54:59 AM

I always add that unless it's a clear no, so it's probably a good idea to double-check.

That said, I think he got enough votes. Please add to the Drafts.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#12441: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:55:22 AM

Also, ACW, how are we doing quotes now?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#12442: Apr 25th 2023 at 7:55:33 AM

Tbf those are added automatically when an ep is done. It could just be that no one checked if it didnt have 5 above. How many votes does he have?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Braz Luz Stan from Boiling Isles (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Luz Stan
#12444: Apr 25th 2023 at 8:03:31 AM

[up][up]6 votes.

You can read after my EP and count the votes from this point onward too.

Edited by Braz on Apr 25th 2023 at 12:04:41 PM

Us tropers stick together.
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#12445: Apr 25th 2023 at 8:10:36 AM

Since it's time for the writeup:

Grim Tales: Dual Disposition: Lady A. is Anna Gray from alternate dimension, who decided to become the most powerful being in the multiverse. Gaining many enemies when she started to destroy magical sources in several dimensions, Lady A. started to seek a magical goblet and manipulated Anna Gray into giving a goblet to her. Becoming extremely powerful, she started to cause the destruction of Anna Gray's dimension, before she was thwarted by the Keeper and Anna. Returning in the bonus chapter, she trapped the Keeper outside of his tower and then started to absorb the energy from the magic source in the control room, which threatened to destroy many worlds, something she openly doesn't care about.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12446: Apr 25th 2023 at 8:11:35 AM

Library, I think we can just request them at the locked pages, though it might not hurt to bring them up at the cleanup thread first.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#12447: Apr 25th 2023 at 8:13:03 AM

Writeups.

  • Horus (link): Set, the Red King, is Horus’s envious uncle and usurper of the throne of Kemet. Spitefully murdering his brother Osiris after Osiris accidentally slept with Set’s wife, Set summons clouds over Kemet’s capital which lead to famine. Set lets his Apsiu creatures enslave all members of their species who are incapable of flight and uses them as his army. Learning that Horus is fated to overthrow him, Set sends his army in search of Horus, leading to the massacre of Horus’s entire village. Set attempts to have Apsiu who rebelled against him executed and when Horus comes to the city with an army, attempts to sway his half-brother Anubis to his side.
  • Ruby and Nora: Void, God of Darkness, is far worse than in the show. Envious because he is incapable of creating universes like other gods, Void joins his brother Light in his plan to become the most powerful beings in existence. Void kills countless gods and enables his brother to steal energy from their universes, killing all beings in them. Banished to Remnant, Void joins his brother in slaughtering all of humanity before being sealed away. He makes contact with Salem and empowers her to murder her father and create the Creatures of Grimm, promising her godhood if she frees him. Finally freed, Void depowers Salem and absorbs all Grimm into himself, creating a massive black hole to devour all of Remnant.

[down] On the vary top since he is Salem’s superior and Final Boss of the series.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Apr 25th 2023 at 8:28:25 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#12448: Apr 25th 2023 at 8:26:10 AM

Set goes to Web Serial Novels; where in the tree should Void go?

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#12449: Apr 25th 2023 at 10:37:57 AM

[tup] To Gerber

Also I think I’ll give a tentative [tup] to Ceasar since he seems heinous just enough to be considered

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 25th 2023 at 7:38:07 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#12450: Apr 25th 2023 at 11:01:30 AM

Having recently seen Bound with a couple of my friends, I'm leaning [tdown] on Caesar. Violet constantly gaslighting him only leads to him getting progressively more unstable and most of his victims are other mobsters, Johnnie in particular is an over-the-top Psycho for Hire. Good work on the EP! Wasn't expecting to see this movie being discussed here.


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