Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
The Emperor of Evil!
to Pirate leader and Xorn
to Pirate Leader... Also I apologize for my severe lack of presence on the thread everyone! I shall correct that very soon with someone recent who I personally think fits the bill... Two someones actually.
Hmm... I was curious if anyone's tried proposing Audrey II from the 1986 Little Shop of Horrors movie, but then it occurred to me that the film's dark comedy nature would almost certainly preclude it from counting even with the director's cut ending factored in.
Boo.
Alright, lemme get the other one for Heat.
Who is Qin Shi Huangdi? What does he do?
Qin is Lir's son and the first emperor of China. In the past, Qin spent decades slowly "unifying" China under his leadership by killing, enslaving, or raping literally everyone that crossed his path, slowly bringing everything he could reach under his banner. Along the way, he picked up two people - Xian, his lover, and Fai-Lok, a wizard. His true body count is unknown but is established to be at least thousands. Along the way, he discovered a method of immortality thanks to his demonic heritage - he's a Possessor, meaning that he can body surf throughout innocent people to prolong his life, meaning he's still a threat by the modern day.
In the modern day, Qin's goal is to awaken Lir so that they can kill anyone who isn't Chinese (including his own followers) and subjugate the earth under his rule, planning to do so by awakening an old dragon of his named Fire Storm. Along the way, he manipulates Jhiera of the Oden Tal to work with him by promising protection to her people (a promise he transparently doesn't intend to follow) and, with Lir's prodding, spreads the terra-cotta soldiers around the globe, including LA and Sunnydale. An incident with the LA curator leads Qin to have him brutally murdered to keep the soldiers secret.
After some complications that I simply don't have time to get into, Qin decides to awaken Fire Storm a day early. The ceremony to do so requires 1,000 sacrifices, with the people's souls being forcibly removed. However, at this point, Fai-Lok and Xian betray him for their own power, with Xian drugging him and Fai-Lok taking the dragon. Swearing revenge on both of them (though Xian is killed on her own), Qin takes control of the LA terra-cotta soldiers and marches them towards Fai-Lok's, with the soldiers killing everyone in their path; by the time Lir is awakened, their battle has turned LA into a hellscape of fire and death.
However, Lir's arrival quickly puts an end to their battle, as Lir is not interested in anything his son has to offer and kills him. The Powers That Be condemn him to Hell for his crimes, and (once more for a reason I don't have time to get into), Wolfram & Hart are able to reverse time in a manner that erases all of the deaths he caused in LA without bringing him back to life.
Any mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?
Qin is one of those characters who seems like he has redeeming qualities on the surface but everything about him is about power. His father? He wants Lir's power so he can subjugate the world. His lover? She's attractive, and Xian fully knows that if he has any reason to find someone else, he'll kill her with no hesitation. His dragon? A source of destructive power. His empire? An extension of himself, and he even fully intends to kill any followers of his who aren't Chinese once his plan goes through. Ultimately, Qin talks like someone with redeeming qualities, but he goes out of his way to subvert them any chance he can.
Is he heinous enough?
Even with Lir as a competitor, I think Qin stands out. He intends to kill everyone on Earth who isn't Chinese, he created China in the first place by killing, enslaving, or raping literally everyone who crossed his path for decades, his plan to unleash the dragon requires 1,000 innocent sacrifices, he does things like burn followers to death from the inside out if they so much as break formation, and his terra-cotta soldiers (combined with Fai-Lok) kill everyone in their path through LA before time is reversed. Even for this franchise, Qin is fucked up. The only reservation I have is that Fai-Lok is also pretty bad (basically, he has his own agenda that involves sacrificing 100 people and his terra-cotta soldiers end up basically destroying Sunnydale - don't ask about him, he genuinely loves Xian), but with the added Historical Rap Sheet that Qin gets combined with the fact that Fai-Lok's crimes are basically just Qin's crimes scaled down, Qin is still bad enough for the book and franchise.
Final verdict?
Keep the bastard. What do you think?
to Qin and Xorn... Also... Has it been long enough from the realese of Ant Man 3 yet? I reserved it with Future and we collabed on the EP I have ready for you all...
Edited by ForgoLight on Mar 2nd 2023 at 11:31:31 AM
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"Technically, it's less than a hour before PT hits midnight, but I also watched Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania in an early screening on the day before official release... so I ain't bothered.
Alrighty! Here goes! Fingers crossed I don't have my first failed candidate since Future and I had a fair bit of back and forth on this.
What is the Work?
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is the latest MCU movie released on February the 17th, and it stars everyone's favorite Marvel Bug Themed Superhero duo Scott Lang and Hope Van Dyne. The movie has Scott and his lover ones getting trapped in the Quantum Realm, wherein they discover our candidate...
Who is Kang and what has he done?
A disclaimer before we start: this is referring to the primary Kang we see in the movie, not his many, many, many variants. With that out of the way, I gave you Kang the Conqueror (Exile).
Kang was banished to the Quantum Realm for being too much of a threat to his many variants in their continual battle for dominance over the Multiverse, as he was so successful and dangerous he made all of his variants band against him specifically. Angered by this, he becomes determined to "save" it from them which means leaving him as the Multiverse's sole subjugator. To do this, he'll wipe out timeline after timeline, dismissing the innumerable lives lost as being irrelevant. When he is banished after having wiped a few already, he meets, decieves and nearly kills the original Wasp Janet van Dyne after getting her to help him repair his ship by offering her a means of seeing her daughter once again. When Janet realizes Kang's duplicity, she destroys the core...
However the advanced technology Kang now had access to within his suit meant that she had accidentally made Kang's prison into his stronghold from which he orchestrates further atrocities. Meeting a wounded Darren Cross, and converting him into M.O.D.O.K., Kang would use him as a personal killing machine as he marched around the Quantum Realm conquering anyone who submitted, and utterly eradicating anyone who didn't. When he meets Scott and Cassie, Kang offers Scott the chance to make up for all the lost time he missed with daughter Cassie/Stature on pain of her violent death should Scott refuse to help Kang reacquire his energy core. After getting said core, he promptly alters the parameters of the arrangement by nearly murdering Scott and the Van Dynes before attempting to set off with his army to once again dominate the multiverse.
MODOK (the former Yellowjacket) helps the others when he sacrifices himself to significantly wound Kang, and after Kang survives an attack from an army of highly-intelligent giant ants, he goes after Scott before he can pass through the portal to go back to Earth. He nearly succeeds in killing Scott and is only prevented from managing to get out by Wasp/Hope Van Dyne jumping back into the Quantum Realm and joining the final melee. Hope is able to overpower and push Kang into his ship's core, damaging it in the process and causing him to be sucked up inside, seemingly killing him though even if he is dead, there are still many, many more of his variants to threaten everything, and even Scott finds himself wondering if they truly defeated Kang...
Any mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?
Here is the interesting part. Kang normally is presented as a Magnificent Bastard who is genuinely doing what he believes to be right, or at the very least he has some sort of Morality Pet or other redeeming qualities...
That is not the case here. Kang's "good intentions" are called out numerous times by several characters to be completely self aggrandizing and shallow, and Kang's behavior shows that said call outs are absolutely correct.
Kang continually doubles back on deals he made with the heroes and has committed some of the most ghastly atrocities in the MCU. When he faces a stubborn challenge to his conquest, he goes from calm and composed to a screaming cruel maniac with terrifyingly little provocation, and his actions always makes it clear that as much as he preaches about the greater good, Kang is only out for himself.
Is he bad enough?
Kang completely redefines the cosmic heinous standard in the MCU, with hundreds of entire universes show being destroyed by him onscreen, however briefly it was present. He also makes certain to partake in numerous personal crimes, from constantly treating Darren Cross as nothing more than a tool to be used and beaten when Darren even speaks in Kang's presence, to torturing Scott's daughter in front of his eyes to force Scott to cow to his demands, and killing dozens of people personally on screen and directly ordering the deaths of hundreds, possibly even thousands beyond that. He is absolutely vile enough.
Final Verdict?
As my very first MCU effort post, I am quite confident that Kang keeps. Easy
from me.
The great thing about variants is that you can both have a Magnificent Bastard Kang and a Complete Monster Kang in the same franchise. And obviously, it's quite telling that the Kang encountered in the Quantum Realm is considered to be so evil and dangerous that the other Kangs decided that banishing him outside of time and space is the best thing they can do to save the Multiverse from total destruction.
Edited by Shadao on Mar 2nd 2023 at 11:59:42 AM
I was really satisfied when Kang got what was coming to him.
Edited by SailorVenus372 on Mar 3rd 2023 at 12:17:38 PM
“Get Snuck-Up On.”I think Kang clears with a happy
. I'd had my doubts at first, but yeah, he fits and he keeps! Since this is a collab between Forgo and I—and I'll have the writeup in a few days, it mean I finally got MY first MCU CM as well!
As for Darren/MODOK, for reasons clearly stated, he doesn't count. He's definitely heinous enough and I thought it would be that he counted and Kang would be an MB going in, but it's clearly not the case as Darren's treated like a joke and he has a Heel–Face Turn and dies helping the others survive against Kang. You're definitely meant to feel sorry for him—while they also make you laugh at him which is weird—and it's the appropriate ending for the character in the end as well.
Oh and based on the EP, easy
to the game version of Ozai too. Based on the EP and other factors,
to The Fallen.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 7th 2023 at 1:41:30 AM
Alright, let's do this. (Also, I saw a version of Jhudora get EP'd, so hell yeah. I have a faerie too, though this time, it's not a Dark Faerie...)
What Is The Work?
Neopets. I'm diving back into Neopets. This time, we're covering two villains who debuted in the Volcano Mystery plot back in 2003. These same villains would later return in the video game Neopets Puzzle Adventure, which I just did a full and frantic playthrough of. The game is apparently canon to the rest of the site lore (at the very least, it doesn't contradict anything) so we can treat it the same way we treated the Darkest Faerie game.
Who are Eithne and Tura-Kepek?
Eithne is a fire faerie, and Tura-Kepek is an evil shaman. Both of them work together, though they have different goals they're working toward. Eithne wants to burn down Mystery Island, and Tura-Kepek wants to take over the rest of Neopia when she's done.
In the Volcano Mystery, players had to solve a puzzle involving kidnapped islanders and cryptic clues. During this plot, they'd occasionally run into Eithne, who was pretending to be working for the faerie queen Fyora and tried to get the characters away from the volcano. However, she was quite pushy and impatient, and something was very clearly wrong with her.
The kidnapped islanders (Tiki Man, Tour Guide, Karate Master, Fortune Teller and the Cooking Faerie) were all the guardians of Mystery Island, who were there to protect the island from the giant fiery petpet known as Moltenus, who lived in the volcano. By kidnapping them, Eithne and Tura-Kepek received the words they needed to reawaken Moltenus, who would surely burn down the island. They also did some pretty nasty things to them, such as turn the Karate Master into stone, and swapped the Tiki Man's mask with a cursed mask that made him do their bidding. Oh, and all of them have pretty much lost their memory, and the Tour Guide somehow ends up being sold to Jhudora, who mistakes him for a statue, before she gets annoyed with his constant cries for help and sells him off again.
Anyway, The duo were on the cusp of winning, as they did manage to wake up Moltenus (who seemingly ate Eithne, but she comes back, so...) and were only stopped when the players discovered the correct incantation to defeat Tura-Kepek.
Until Puzzle Adventure. Here, we get to learn a lot more about these two, and see them cause more destruction (well, we're not "shown" things exactly since the game uses a visual-novel style for the cutscenes with no actual detail or animation, but that doesn't really matter because of what's confirmed to be going on. Admittedly I played a rom of the DS version, so the other versions might be more detailed, but the story apparently doesn't change between platforms). The game begins in Shenkuu, where the player, a heroic adventurer who seems incapable of not helping people, meets the crew of the Cryodack's Gaze as they're attempting to set off, only for a meteor to suddenly appear. Producing living rock monsters. Who attack the innocent people of Shenkuu and destroy the city, all in the name of getting an amulet from this one dude who just happened to find it a long time ago. The player is bullied into taking this amulet, and the Gaze's crew flees.
They end up in Sekhmet, which is the next city attacked, because an amulet is hiding in the catacombs. It's stated that the city is under siege, both from rock monsters, and from a massive monster known as Calciferus, who was sent to try and break through the city's defenses. There, the player meets Eithne, who once again pretends to be heroic while still being extremely pushy and rude. She basically demands the player put themselves in danger when they're obviously not interested, while repeatedly taking credit for your heroics. You eventually find and defeat the pet who has the amulet, only for Eithne to drop her mask and explain that you've been duped into helping her get the last "ward" she needed to be essentially all-powerful. Each ward protects you from a different element, such as water or fire, so even a more powerful fire faerie was helpless against her.
On Mystery Island, you discover that the nation is under evacuations already because Moltenus has woken up once again. The crew is explicitly asked to help get "the survivors" off of the island, which means that there's definitely more death and destruction going on. Once you fight your way to the volcano and defeat Moltenus, you learn a few more things — most notably, that in addition to the squad of fire minions, they've put a Dark Faerie under their control. This faerie knows that what's going on is wrong, but is being compelled to guard one of the wards, directly asking the player to defeat her. Eithne then directly mocks this faerie after you defeat the other guardians, and declares her full intent to burn Mystery Island to the ground. You defeat her, and she...uh...throws herself into the Volcano, I guess, because she doesn't want to give up the ward (but that just destroys the ward anyway, so, A+).
Then you fight Tura-Kepek and he gives his spiel about how he's going to conquer Neopia because with or without the wards, he's still absorbed enough magic to be extremely powerful. You still defeat him though through the power of a tedious puzzle game, and he sort of just fades into nonexistence. (IDK that's just what happens)
So, just to recap their rapsheet. They kidnap 5 islanders, curse at least two of them, sell one of them to Jhudora, and attempt to awaken an ancient, evil, lava monster to burn down Mystery Island and take over the rest of Neopia. They're defeated and come back with a vengeance, attacking at least two nations with monsters and harming innocents all in the name of retrieving the wards. However, they must've attacked other nations as well, as the other 4 wards had to come from somewhere, and they already had them at this point in the story. Shenkuu is destroyed and needs repairs, Sekhmet is being sieged, and the player is tricked into helping Eithne enter the catacombs and battle an innocent dude who was well aware of what would happen if he gave up the ward. Moltenus is woken up for a second time, and Mystery Island is attacked, with the survivors having to be evacuated. They've kidnapped an innocent dark faerie and forced her to act as one of the wards against her will through magic. It's explicitly stated multiple times that this is all to turn Mystery Island into a blazing wasteland, and so that Tura-Kepek could then go on and conquer the rest of Neopia.
Mitigating Factors?
Not really, no. At first I discounted them because I wasn't sure their actions really stacked up, but after I learned about the events of Puzzle Adventure, I had to dig deeper, and I'm not seeing any redeeming or mitigating factors. At best, Eithne is being followed by some fire pets who want to live in the "paradise of flames", but it's not like fire pets need to live in fire to survive. It's just apparently a preference they have, just as fire faeries prefer warm temperatures but still seem to be fine living just about anywhere, and we have Nuria, a fire faerie who is very much opposed to what Eithne is doing.
At first I thought Eithne was just a follower, The Dragon, to Tura-Kepek's Big Bad. And I guess that's sort of true since in both instances she gets defeated first, and is more of a manipulator than an attacker though you do fight her twice in the game. But she very much has her own goals, and she's a fleshed out villain in her own right who only seems to be working with Tura-Kepek because their alliance is mutually beneficial.
Tura-Kepek himself has comparatively less screen time, but he still has fleshed-out motivations and he's the one who seems to pull a lot of the weight, as an evil shaman with magic powers who's after even more magical power so that he can take over Neopia. And though he's somewhat easily defeated in both cases, both plots emphasized puzzles over combat, and in both stories he does a lot of bad.
Now, neither are particularly heinous by CM standards, but this is Neopets, after all. Attacking several nations in pursuit of power, kidnapping, mind control, curses, and attempting to burn down the entirety of Mystery Island and conquer what's left is pretty evil by the standards of the game. The fact that the escapees from Mystery Island are specifically called "survivors", and the fact that Shenkuu is destroyed after the crew flees, means that the game, though still kid friendly, has confirmed death and destruction in two separate nations, and that's ignoring the fact that Sekhmet was also under siege at the same time. For Neopets, that's pretty serious.
Conclusion
I think Eithne and Tura-Kepek are both keepers, but as always, it's up to what you guys think. Either way, happy to be doing another Neopets thing, because the website's lore is surprisingly deep and dark when you peel back enough layers, and I had fun making this.
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 3rd 2023 at 5:40:22 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallThat's fair. I have no idea if the cutscenes on other platforms are different, but I also took into account that the game is a puzzle game for kids at the end of the day, and the destruction and death is mentioned multiple times so it definitely happens, they just don't directly show us. Because it's a low-budget kid's puzzle game for a website that became very kid-friendly over the years. I'm inclined to believe it all happened, but I totally get if the lack of visuals hurts the case.
Anyway, it's super late (or early) over here and I very much need sleep because I have work tomorrow. I'll be back, g'night ya'll ~
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 3rd 2023 at 6:05:41 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallLemme ping:
- ~Atlantis 1930 (Vera's "Little Lazarus": Danny Hale
)
- ~De Carta (Murdoch Mysteries)
- ~Emperor Geode (Tarzan 1996)
- ~Zerukin (Genshin Impact: Babel
)
I'm actually gonna say no to Kang, because during his time rebuilding the core with Janet it did seem like he actually bonded with her and when she helped finally fix it he seemed genuinely grateful to her. I know later on he hates her but that's only after she snatches the core away from him. This might just be Johnathan Majors performance buy I do think he genuinely liked Janet until she turned against him.
Also yes to Qin and light yes to the Neopets duo
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️
