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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

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Xykon
#48253: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:23:49 PM

[tup] for Lex Luthor.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
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Logical
#48256: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:45:01 PM

What’s the Work?

The Pufferverse POVs are a series of fanfictions about the rogues gallery of Batman, set in its own little universe.

Today's candidate is the murderous scarred madman, Victor Zsasz

Who is Victor Zsasz? What does he do?

Victor Zsasz is a serial killer who terrorizes the people of Gotham, claiming they are "zombies" and he is freeing them from the shackles of life and cuts a tally in his skin for each person he kills.

By the time his little story begins, he's been on the run for four days after breaking out of Arkham Asylum, having gone around killing people during this period, and his kill count finally entering the triple digits.

Zsasz then stumbles upon a home in the Gotham suburb of Burnside, where he sees two boys sitting in their living room watching TV. When their father goes upstairs, he sneaks into the house, grabbing the younger of the boys and forcing him to watch as he kills his older brother. When the younger boy escapes Zsasz's grasp and calls for his father, the scarred man stabs the kid in the heart, killing him.

When the father comes downstairs and sees what the madman has done to his sons, he immediately tries to call the police, only to be stabbed in the back. Then Batman shows up and brutally beats Zsasz for what he's done.

When Zsasz is being loaded into a police car, the mother of the family shows up at the house and sees what has become of her family. This causes her to grab the father's gun, which was put on a coat rack by Zsasz, and shoot herself, much to Zsasz's delight.

He returns in a non-POV story called "Rehabilitation", where Bruce Wayne visits Arkham. In a brief scene, he catches a glimpse of security footage and sees Zsasz, who's been locked in the asylum for a few years at this point after being defeated during No Man's Land offscreen. The fact that he's been locked in a cell for years and unable to kill people has caused Zsasz to become depressed and lose the motivation to do anything.

Any Mitigating Qualities?

None. There is a brief paragraph that describes one time one of Zsasz's victims, a sick old man, did welcome his death, but it isn't portrayed as a Pet the Dog moment for Zsasz.

Is He Heinous Enough?

I'd say so. Sure, we only see him murder three people onscreen, and said murders lead to a fourth person committing suicide out of grief, but we do get a sense of a pattern, as the work does describe two of his previous murders, and it is mentioned he has over a hundred victims, with each tally mark on his body being proof of said murders.

While the POV series as a whole is about Batman’s villains, most of the stories don’t really have the villains doing anything too heinous, to be honest. I'd say one of the only other villains in the series to give Zsasz a run for his money is Flamingo, who murders a restaurant full of people, but Flamingo is a professional assassin while Zsasz is just a man with a knife, so I think Zsasz stands out.

Verdict?

I’d say he’s a yes, but it’s up to you guys.

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#48259: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:54:45 PM

The Traveller. Destroyers of worlds, Gozer has come from world to world, destroying all life in its wake, until its rampage took it to the world of Cybertron, which was engulfed in a war between Autobots and Decepticons. Taking an audience with Megatron, Gozer tells Megatron to choose the form it shall take while destroying Cybertron. After a quick scan of Megatron's mind, Gozer immediately transforms into Megatron's greatest fear... ...a giant, cackling Starscream with the heads of the Autobots and the Decepticons chained around his neck like trophies. In this form, Gozer proceeds to massacre all of Cybertron and wipes out nearly all life on the planet. The war came to an immediate halt as Gozer targeted both Autobot and Decepticon. Only a few Transformers escaped the carnage (thanks to a deal with G1 foe Kremzeek) but everything else was wiped out.

A quick correction here. It's actually Starscream's mind that Gozer scanned. Starscream wondered what could possibly destroy Cybertron and that naturally leads to him thinking about himself.

Other than that, the EP is fairly accurate on Gozer's actions. I'm just pointing for clarification.

Gozer, have to admit, felt like a minor character in the Transformers/Ghostbusters crossover, but I supposed there is enough characterization to avoid the Generic Doomsday Villain. So a weak [tup].


Also, [tup] to Victor Zsasz

Edited by Shadao on Jun 30th 2024 at 5:54:57 AM

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The Draftsman of Doom
#48261: Jun 30th 2024 at 6:17:10 PM

Yes to Victor.

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#48262: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:10:43 PM

[tup] Clayface, William, "Cry", Gozer, Lex, Victor

AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#48263: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:19:34 PM

Would anyone like to proofread my write-up for V.II Snail?

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Son of Liberty
#48265: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:41:32 PM

Yes to Victor

Let's do another Scravok/Starkravok/whatever we're called these days collab!

What's the work?

Reckless (2020) is a series of graphic novels by Ed Brubaker, thus far comprised of 5 "books", each following the titular Ethan "Reckless". Ethan is something of a private detective, something of a mercenary, something of a fixer...a former FBI agent who now hires his "services" out to folks in 1980s LA to bring them peace and his own version of justice to the immoral. Ethan faces some nasty customers in the books, but 2 in particular stand out, of which I'll start us out with the first:

Who is Magnus? What has he done?

  • Magnus is the Big Bad of Book 2, Friend of the Devil. Born Magnus Hofman, he was a S.S. officer-turned war criminal when Berlin fell, and fled to America to avoid punishment for his crimes as a Nazi. Renaming himself Magnus Epoch, he created a cult for himself, "The Church of the Fallen", and used propaganda techniques stolen from Joseph Goebbels to help indoctrinate people to his "cause"—generally the rich and famous. Magnus would coerce and goad them to indulge in their most depraved desires:
    "The system itself is a lie. All these codes and laws and rules... they're like invisible chains we put on ourselves. Even money is just another way to keep the monkey mass under control. Do you know what the true currency of the world is? Secrets. That's what I gave those people when the church was going. I showed them who they really were, and I gave them new secrets. It was easy, everyone thinks they're special, especially the rich and famous. So I tore down their walls, that's all. I told them the apocalypse was already here, right in front of us, and we were all walking around with blinders on. Following the rules, staying inside the lines. I freed them from all of that. Taught them to embrace dark impulses, instead of suppressing them. You'd be surprised how easy it was...I barely had to push! Soon, there was nothing they wouldn't do, some of them. And what got them off became sicker and sicker. It was amazing. They'd been reborn, in a way. They saw the world for what it really was. And they didn't recognize man's laws anymore."
  • Inspiring his followers to more and more acts of depravity—from wild orgies to animal sacrifice—Magnus eventually graduated to the most "transformative piece of art" he'd yet to devise. A snuff film, made using the brainwashed Maggie as the subject, the young woman viciously stabbed to death by Magnus's cult. Magnus would repeat a similar procedure on Maggie's friend Susan months later, stabbing her nearly 2 dozen times and leaving her body with a Satanic note attached; a man named Berrigan was later found dead from a supposed self-inflicted gunshot wound, his death actually orchestrated by Magnus.
  • Even Magnus's "partners" weren't free from his brutality. One of his producers, Jay Jeffers, was found hacked into pieces and buried in the desert; when Damon Fenshaw, the man strongarmed into printing copies of the snuff film, gives some intel to a snooping Ethan Reckless, Magnus has Fenshaw tied up, tortured and stabbed eleven times—Fenshaw barely survives.
  • As Ethan, put onto Maggie's trail by her concerned, long-estranged stepsister Linh, closes in on the truth of the now-dissolved Church of the Fallen, Magnus has him kidnapped. Revealing that he's renamed himself again to Magnus Erickson and joined up with a pack of meth-slinging Neo-Nazis, Magnus shows Ethan the snuff film of Maggie's death just for kicks, and plans to skin Ethan alive—"starting with the eyelids"—until he gives up any evidence he may have.
  • Luckily, Ethan ain't called "reckless" for nothing, and he escapes his captivity, disarms Magnus's goons, and moves in on him with a knife. Magnus cowardly pleads "wait, wait!", and even whines about Maggie "She volunteered!", but Ethan is having none of it and stabs Magnus through the eye. He kills off the rest of the Neo-Nazi gang and is awarded $50,000 for taking down wanted war criminal Magnus Hofman at long last. Ethan also proceeds to hunt down each of the half-dozen people who bought copies of the snuff film and ensure some "accidents" befall them before burning all copies of the film.

Mitigating features?

Lol no, nothing at all. He's a self-serving sadist with a Messiah complex and for all his claims of showing people "the truth", Fenshaw sums it up nicely later:

"Magnus always said secrets were the currency of the world. What he really meant was, they were his currency. To use against us."

Heinousness?

So, there's 5 books in the series. To run down the book villains who don't count:

  • Book 1's villain is a drug runner said to have killed a dozen men. He has no onscreen murders though, and he's indicated to not only have snapped from the Vietnam war, but also have standards against killing women.
  • Book 4's villain is a dirty cop who manipulates two junkies into terrorizing an old woman and culminates in tossing her down a flight of stairs, putting her in a coma. The cop then shoots one of the junkies dead and gets the other thrown into an asylum, all to mask that he wanted to rob the elderly woman's home. He's a nasty prick but not quite up to snuff for heinousness, and furthermore it's a plot point that he screws himself by turning a dog over to a shelter rather than just killing it.
  • Book 5's is the harshest miss, a vile rapist who had a harem of women under his spell and raised his sons to be rapists and human traffickers like himself, encouraging them to turn their own step-sister into a sex slave when they were all children. He's easily bad enough but is indicated to care about the aforementioned sons and needlessly exposes himself to go tell a family member of their deaths solely for grieving purposes. Even when he's confronted at the end by Ethan and his stepdaughter, the villain is an old man suffering from Alzheimer's, and can only ask repeatedly for "my boys".

With all those in mind as well as the one Scraggle/Starkrafty is doing, yeah, Magnus is bad enough. He's behind a string of brutal murders pertaining to a snuff film, was a Nazi war criminal in his past, plans to flay Ethan alive...

Final Verdict?

Keep!

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Xykon
#48268: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:47:35 PM

[tup] for Vic Zsasz and Magnus.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.
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#48270: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:49:42 PM

[tup] Magnus

Edited by Echidna on Jun 30th 2024 at 10:49:47 AM

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Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#48272: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:28:36 PM

[tup] for Magnus Hofman and Victor Zsasz.

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Starkrafty Since: Sep, 2017
#48273: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:40:10 PM

Yes to Magnus!

Alright, for my end of the collab...

What has "Gerard Runyan"/Richard Loomis done?

  • The Big Bad of the third volume, Destroy All Monsters, "Gerard Runyan" is introduced to us as a rich property developer and Corrupt Corporate Executive with attentions on Lynwood, L.A.. "Runyan"'s modus operandi is diabolically simple: he swoops to the aid of struggling minority property owners—usually Black and Hispanic—and promising them, as well as any communities and families relying on them, premium deals for the land he buys out from them: "High-rise condos...business space on the ground floor....a park for the kids."
  • Except "Runyan" is a corporate Great White. After hooking desperate middle-class property owners and convincing them to sell their assets to him, "Runyan" catches them in legal loopholes for years on end before eventually booting them out of the deal and selling out the assets he bought dirt-cheap to Mega Corps who buy them at ten times the price "Runyan" got them at. "Runyan" devastates entire communities and hundreds of people as nothing more than a matter of routine; when an idealistic Black politician named Presley made a deal to turn Lynwood from a Wretched Hive into a real community, "Runyan" ended up giving Presley, and all of Lynwood, the short end of the stick after raising their hopes up. "Runyan" sells their entire community to a Walmart pastiche that proceeds to make the racist Wretched Hive worse than it already is, staffing the police department with white supremacists and letting drug trade and crime statistics go off the roof.
  • "Runyan" also founds himself a Den of Iniquity where the wealthy can engage in every vice they can think of, every drug and degenerate sex act, all so "Runyan" use this as blackmail against them and their families. Through this, "Runyan" controls everyone important in Lynwood, from the police to the government.
  • More than this, "Runyan" is a multiple murderer. "Gerard Runyan" was actually the name of his late business partner; "Runyan"'s real name is actually Richard Loomis. He murdered the real Runyan in a rigged car accident, faked his own death, then used facial reconstruction to pass himself off as "Gerard Runyan" having miraculously survived the accident. "Runyan" gets a nasty tendency for killing multiple innocent people and staging their deaths as unrelated accidents; he murdered Presley by poisoning him with something that gives him a heart attack, then later targets the man's Councilman son, Isaac Presley, and kills him in the same way.
  • When Ethan Reckless and his seventeen-year-old ally Anna interfere with his corporate empire, he attempts to have them both slowly burned to death. Unfortunately for Richard, he gets a little bit too arrogant while trying to dispose of them; Richard demasks in front of Ethan while he's got the latter at his mercy, insisting on making sure Ethan knows he and Anna are about to die for nothing except having stood in his way. Before Richard can kill Ethan, though, Anna breaks out of her captivity and blows the bastard's face off with a shotgun.
Any mitigating factors?
  • Not a one. The man is "Evil Rich White Prat" defined. His motive rant amounts to "I'm wealthy and everyone else isn't, so neener neener":
    "You ever see those stories about people who claim they've been reincarnated? Talking about their past lives in vivid detail... But they're always Cleopatra...or some Roman senator...or the Duke of such and such.. They're never nobodies...never some nameless serf...or a soldier who died as cannon fodder. And you know why that is? It's because some part of their brain is trying to make them think they matter. That they were part of the ruling class, once upon a time[...]Do you know what you took away from me? I was royalty. And you don't get to touch royalty...not without paying."
Heinous standard?
  • If Richard Loomis' body count is somewhat lower than his rivals, his victim count is unmatched by anyone else in the comic thus far. Richard is a Politically Incorrect Villain who destroys entire communities—after raising their hopes up, no less—selling them out to predatory corporations who turn these properties into "wastelands of crime and drugs and fear." We see lots of this onpage. Drug dealers selling heroin to twelve-year-old kids; white supremacist cops issuing thinly veiled death threats to people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time; every important person in town living in perpetual fear of Richard destroying their entire lives. The comic spells it out that what he's done to Lynwood is far from the first community he's sold out and destroyed, and it's implied he's killed tons of people even beyond who we see through rigged "accidents."

Edited by Starkrafty on Jun 30th 2024 at 9:47:50 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#48274: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:46:11 PM

And an easy yes to Gerard/Richard

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
TurlesTheVegan Xykon from The Darkest Pit of the Underworld Since: Dec, 2023 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Xykon
#48275: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:46:20 PM

[tup] for Richard Loomis.

Power, it isn't something that you put on or take off like a jacket. It's just something you are.

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