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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.

  4. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  5. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  6. 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  7. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  8. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  9. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  10. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM

ILoveTVTropesandmyGF Since: May, 2024
#48176: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:53:44 AM

The problem is,the somber moments his film counterpart had in the film,the game version treats like an inconvience more than anything.

DukeNukem4ever Since: Jan, 2017
#48177: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:54:19 AM

A hard [tdown] to Tai Lung, he still seems to have the same redeeming quality from the film itself.

Plus, at the very beginning of his fight with Shifu, Tai Lung still seems hesitant to fight his former master, instead simply asking for the Dragon's Scroll, and only upon Shifu's refusal does he strike out.

Edited by DukeNukem4ever on Jun 30th 2024 at 5:56:17 AM

ILoveTVTropesandmyGF Since: May, 2024
#48178: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:57:08 AM

Doesn't change the fact that he caged up the furious five and millions of innocent villagers in order to lure out Shifu so his wolf soldiers could kill him

Rhino8888 from Spain Since: Mar, 2020
#48179: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:59:07 AM

What Kung Fu Panda video game is this anyways? There are plenty.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#48180: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:59:35 AM

[up][up] A redeeming quality is a redeeming quality though, it doesn't matter how bad a villain is if there's a mitigating issue.

Edited by WetFlannels on Jun 30th 2024 at 1:59:47 PM

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
ILoveTVTropesandmyGF Since: May, 2024
#48181: Jun 30th 2024 at 5:59:59 AM

The tie in video game for the first movie.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#48182: Jun 30th 2024 at 6:00:29 AM

[tup] Clayface

[tdown] Tai Lung

Proposing a quote:

"Oh, but I have a gift for you. My mother's tongue. It's quite fresh, I assure you. I kept her alive for some time to watch the deaths of her elephants, but eventually I tired of her. I did keep her head, for a memento. I feel inclined to share."
Shem Shem Tsiem, Angelmaker

I know Tsiem has a quote already but I feel this one stands out for being really fucked up.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jun 30th 2024 at 6:01:02 AM

ILoveTVTropesandmyGF Since: May, 2024
#48184: Jun 30th 2024 at 6:04:26 AM

Actually now that I look at it,the video game version is only worse than the movie version,but has very little redeeming qualities. So he's not a complete monster. So I'll agree on that.

At best he falls under the line of Adaptational Villainy

Edited by ILoveTVTropesandmyGF on Jun 30th 2024 at 6:06:29 AM

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#48186: Jun 30th 2024 at 6:19:50 AM

[tup] to the Shem quote.

Not really swayed on game!Tai lung counting. [tdown] honestly.

Till all are one.
AmateurStorytime Just a starting content creator from Home Since: Mar, 2024
Just a starting content creator
#48187: Jun 30th 2024 at 6:41:42 AM

Yes to the quote. No to the English-speaking, Chinese snow leapord with a British accent in an Americsn video game.

Edited by AmateurStorytime on Jun 30th 2024 at 6:42:17 AM

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Luz Stan
#48190: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:44:13 AM

[tup] to Clayface. [tdown] to Game!Tai Lung

Us tropers stick together.
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Goku Black
#48191: Jun 30th 2024 at 7:58:01 AM

[tdown]tai lung

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MemeMaster245 The Metal Reaper from Cornfield Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
The Metal Reaper
#48192: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:02:28 AM

[tup] to Post-Crisis Clayface. Yikes, never knew he was that bad.

[tdown] to game!Tai Lung.

Prepare for a bitter harvest...
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#48194: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:54:20 AM

Had brought up these quotes 3 days back but the overall tally is just under the limit needed for a proper consensus, so TLDR, want some more opinions on them here.

Till all are one.
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#48195: Jun 30th 2024 at 8:57:21 AM

[up] The first one seems fine, but the second seems like it fits The Social Darwinist or A Nazi by Any Other Name better.

"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — Kawarino
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#48196: Jun 30th 2024 at 9:03:01 AM

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  • The Dark Tower: Gunslinger Born: Maerlyn wants to spread as much chaos throughout The Multiverse, and to this end plans on destroying the Dark Tower so that the multiverse would collapse, leading to the primordial chaos of the Prim to return, which would kill an incalculable number of victims. Maerlyn was responsible for mortal evil to spread throughout the multiverse by hurling the shards of the Laughing Mirror at the Dark Tower; was responsible for the Dogans accidentally unleashing Todash monsters that caused death, chaos, and destruction across Mid-World; and was behind the birth and rise of the Crimson King and Randall Flagg, who would go on to cause many conflicts throughout the multiverse. Maerlyn even went so far as to manipulate the small town of Brockest to sacrifice one of their children alive in a fire, so that it could satisfy the "death gods" and get "good children and soil" once again, all for his own sadistic amusement.
  • JSA Vol. 1 issues #42-44: Ahk-Ton is an ancient Egyptian priest who discovered the spectre of Ra and uses it to become the first elemental shapeshifter known as Metamorpho. Ahk-Ton is responsible for burning the kingdom of Khandaq to the ground and killing hundreds, including the wife and children of Black Adam. Allying with Vandal Savage and supplying him with an army of elemental soldiers, the two plot to level Egypt and rule over the ruins. Attacking the city of Karna, the two intend to level it and then take their blood conquest to the rest of Africa.
  • Outsiders Vol. 3:
    • Ishmael Gregor is a powerful Russian crime boss and the second Sabbac. A killer from the age of 12, Ishmael desires even more power, so he breaks the original Sabbac—Timothy Karnes—out of prison and empowers him through a mass Human Sacrifice of an entire bus of innocents who are burned alive, including mothers clutching their children. Ishmael backstabs Karnes during the ritual to take the powers for himself and become the new Sabbac. Going on a killing spree, Sabbac intends to wipe out the city and unleash a demon army to Take Over the World. Defeated, Sabbac resurfaces, attacks Alcatraz, and absorbs the Seven Deadly Sins trapped within to empower himself. Sabbac uses his powers to force the prisoners to have sex and force the Outsiders to fight each other, planning to dominate the world. Returning one more time in 52, Sabbac tries to murder a bunch of children as a sacrifice to the demon lord Neron, who will use it to unleash Hell on Earth.
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  • Doppelganger (aka Doppelganger: The Evil Within) (1993): Dr. Heller is Holly Gooding's lecherous psychiatrist who started "seeing" her from the time she was 14. Wanting to get legal custody of her, Heller exploits her alternate personality and provokes her into brutally murdering her mother who had been planning to kill her for her inheritance. When Holly goes to Los Angeles to visit her brother, Heller stalks her and gaslights her by pretending to be her doppelganger, and when she and her roommate Patrick Highsmith visit her mentally-ill 15 year old brother, Heller disguises as Holly and sneaks into the asylum, where he viciously attacks him with a knife and only refrains from killing him because the staff almost catches him in the act, resulting in Holly being suspected again. Heller later murders Patrick's cat Nathan and plants a bloodied knife in Holly's drawer, and later on takes her form again and lures Patrick after him, then attempts to murder Patrick in an alleyway while disguised as Holly's deceased abusive father. When that fails, Heller later kidnaps and sedates Holly, and then stabs Patrick before attempting to murder him again, before revealing his intent to frame Holly for the murders and get her declared insane so that he can continue to take advantage of her.
  • The Reading (2023): Emma Leeden is introduced as a grieving author who lost her husband and children to a savage home invasion, leaving her emotionally destroyed. However, at a seance designed to talk to her family's spirits, the truth is revealed: Emma herself killed them solely to ride the attention into becoming a TV personality and author. Following her reveal, Emma gleefully begins killing all the witnesses to the seance, starting with her sister-in-law, who had been her caregiver for months. Prone to cruel taunts, Emma kills all the friends of the spirit medium in grisly ways all the while being giddy about becoming rich. Despite initially seeming to have been deeply affected by the deaths of her teen daughter—who she smothered with a pillow—and 5-year-old son—who she drowned while he was in the bath--Emma cements her horrific true nature by laughing over killing them and proclaiming that [[ItsAllAboutMe they had been cramping her luxurious lifestyle.
  • Terror: Greg is the self-appointed commandant of the First Patriots Movement Militia, a far-right organization on a mission to "cleanse" America of anyone who doesn't fit their white supremacist ideals. As a show of power and to ignite a conflict with the authorities, Greg plans to topple the Patrick V. McNamara Federal Building, including the daycare center, and massacre any cops that try to arrest him. Having a vampire in captivity, Greg hopes to sneak him into the building and then expose him to sunlight in order to make his explosive blood blow up the entire place.
  • "Fire Fight": Firefly is an arson-loving psychopath hired by Baroness and Mindbender to help them claim the water supply of the small town of Green Ridge. After his plan to assassinate the mayor goes nowhere, Firefly is tasked to wipe out Green Ridge's entire population, a task he accepts with relish. Going above and beyond, Firefly destroys Green Ridge's bridge to prevent its citizens from escaping, whereupon he unleashes a massive flame that comes close to killing everybody contained inside the town.
  • Monkey House's "Fortitude": Dr. Bernard Frankel is a disgraced physician obsessed with beating death. After being approached by the wealthy, dying Sylvia Lovejoy, who signs a contract stipulating a payment of $50 million for every year of life she can be given, Frankel abuses the power handed to him, spending the next decades stripping Sylvia of her organs and body parts until she's only a head attached to an immobile machine. Indifferent to Sylvia's constant pleas for death, Frankel's long-term plan is to excise her remaining flesh entirely, beginning with her eyes, until she's reduced to code on a supercomputer for all eternity. Firing his assistant, Gloria, who also happens to be Sylvia's only friend, merely for standing up to him, and mocking Sylvia for her failed suicide attempts, Frankel feels no remorse for his patient's abject suffering as long as she can serve as his unwilling proof of immortality.
  • Norman Osborn is the ruthless head of Oscorp, and though he presents himself as a kindly businessman, he is actually nothing but a self-serving abuser. In his quest to make Oscorp's school the best in New York, Norman unleashes a lycanthropy plague onto rival Horizon High; forces his students to fight each other for advancement; and ruins the life of one of Horizon's best students so that he'll join Oscorp instead. Norman horribly experiments on Dr. Curt Connors, forcing the man to become the Lizard against his will, culminating in Norman turning Connors into a kaiju that threatens New York. Later claiming he can cure Connors of the Lizard for good, Norman strings him along with a temporary cure, only to cruelly reveal there is no permanent cure and Norman never intended to help him once Connors was no longer useful. Norman abuses his son Harry to mold the boy into his perfect successor, and when Harry repeatedly chafes against his father's wishes, Norman finally tries to kill Harry for being a "disappointment." After a failed attempt to murder civilians and ruin the heroics of Spider-Man and Harry, Norman orchestrates the unleashing of the Technovore and turns multiple civilians into mutants to force them into Gladiator Games. Becoming the Dark Goblin, Norman uses the loved ones of the Spider team against them so he can begin a new plot to Take Over the World.
  • Shang-Chi and the Ten Rings: The Wyrm of Desolation is an embodiment of loneliness that seeks to make every consciousness in the universe a part of himself. During his assault of Ta Lo, the Wyrm happily declared his intent to force the Jade Emperor to watch all his people be horrifically assimilated in response to a minor injury, and when he was subsequently imprisoned by the god Nezha, the Wyrm corrupted him into committing destructive rampages until the Jade Emperor was forced to have him killed. In the present, the Wyrm possesses several of Shang-Chi's friends in order to obtain the Ten Rings and free himself, decrying Shang-Chi as a weakling while sadistically trying to kill him.
  • The Ultimates (2015): The First Firmament is the egocentric Anthropomorphic Personification of the first universe. He created the Aspirants to worship him, until some of them rebelled and became the Celestials, leading to a war which shattered the Firmament's essence and created the first Multiverse. The First Firmament went into hiding and plotted his revenge, determined to once again become all there is. After the birth of the Eight Cosmos, the First Firmament captures Eternity and starts draining his powers while having the Aspirants infiltrate the Multiverse and spread his corruption, causing countless worlds to be destroyed. He manipulates Master Order and Lord Chaos into killing the Living Tribunal and combining with In-Betweener and each other into Logos, whom he uses to kill the Celestials and infect Galactus with a hunger that would cause him to devour all space and time. When his plot to absorb the Multiverse fails and Eternity is freed, the First Firmament decides to just kill him and destroy the Multiverse.
  • Inhumans: Thanos here is a power-hungry despot, who conquered Earth and kept it as a dystopia where survivors are oppressed and constantly hunted by his Black Order. Forcing Black Bolt to kill the Avengers on his behalf, Thanos made the war against the Builders more devastating on Earth and made Black Bolt into his slave, who acted as a king of New Attilan. Killing any survivors outside of New Attilan, Thanos slaughters any Inhuman who dares to rebel against him.
  • Tomb of Dracula: Dracula here decided to take a detour and drain a woman of her blood before going after Harker, which leads to him biting Deacon Frost, who came to save the woman, turning him into a vampire who would kill Blade's mother while she was pregnant, which led to Blade becoming a half-vampire. 27 years later, when Blade started to exterminate the vampires and threaten Dracula, Dracula returned to London and unleashed his undead horde upon people, leading to many people getting killed, as Dracula bites Blade to turn him into his slave. Forcing Blade to kill his girlfriend, Dracula then tried to kill Blade when Blade rebelled against him. Escaping and killing one of his brides for a slight offense, Dracula planned to use his army to exterminate humanity.
  • Legends (link): Arcade, growing tired of losing to the heroes, snapped completely after Johnny Storm made fun of him and decided to erase superheroes from reality altogether. Killing Dr. Doom and impersonating him, Arcade first tortured Doctor Strange, then handed both him and an entire alternate dimension over to Dormammu to get the latter off his back; he then used Dr. Doom's Power Nullifier to remove every superhero's powers, allowing him to easily massacre them, then had Mastermind remove all memories of them from the world. Replacing superheroes with a lawless system where criminals run rampant under the control of Mr. Hyde, when Arcade is finally confronted with the next generation of Avengers, he decides to simply crash his helicarrier so he can take them with him when he dies.
  • The Awakening: The Revised Edition (link): Palpatine, upon seeing visions indicating that his efforts to manipulate Anakin to The Dark Side using his love for Padmé would eventually lead to Darth Vader's redemption and his own death at Vader's hands, seeks to corrupt Anakin and Padmé's firstborn son into a hollow weapon for the Sith to use. When Padmé gets pregnant much earlier than in canon, Palpatine tasks Dooku with tracking Padmé to her apartment and knocking her out, then forcibly extracting the embryo from her body on Kamino. They subsequently grant the abducted child the title of Darth Vader, subject him to accelerated aging, and raise Vader to be a pure Sith weapon devoid of any empathy or compassion. When confronted at the end of the Clone Wars by Anakin and the rest of the Jedi Council, Palpatine would unleash Vader on Anakin, whose refusal to fight his firstborn son would see him sadistically subjected to lethal doses of Force lightning, bringing him to near-death. This incident would also cause Padme to fall into a coma after giving birth to Luke and Leia. With Anakin incapacitated, Palpatine executes Order 66 and sends Vader to purge the Jedi Temple. After Vader is defeated by Obi-Wan on Mustafar, Palpatine places Vader into his life support suit and declares the formation of The Galactic Empire, going on to terrorize the Galaxy for nineteen years using Vader as his enforcer.
  • The Transformers: The Imperial Magistrates are a trio of judges that rule over the Quintessons and were the original creators of the Transformers. The Magistrates ruled over Cybertron twelve million years ago and used the early Cybertronians for slave labour and gladiatorial combat. After being chased off Cybertron by the Autobot rebellion, they spent the next few millennia exploiting interplanetary conflicts for their own profit while they waited to retake Cybertron. This included wiping out the plant life on Alaxuu, and driving the inhabitants of Xetaxxis and Lanarq to near-extinction by escalating the war between the two planets. The Imperial Magistrates made a habit of executing their prisoners by feeding them to their Sharkticons, a fate that eventually befell the last two survivors of Lithone. In a scheme to destroy the Autobots, the Magistrates blew up their homeworld of Quintessa and tried to deactivate every Transformer across the universe. They later revived Optimus Prime and turned him into a Sleeper Agent that would lure the Autobot fleet into a deadly ambush. The Imperial Magistrates extended their cruelty beyond Cybertron by invading the planet Zamojin and setting their society back centuries to prevent them from reaching the stars.
  • Broken Through (link): The Man in The Coat is a sadistic entity who hijacks a game created by Tom Thomas. Trapping Tom in the game, the Entity forces him to relive his worst moments to feed off his misery while possessing him, and lures four other people, including an elderly man, and subjects them to years of psychological torture, leaving them empty and suicidal souls. Attempting to trap the soul of Evan when the latter goes looking for his friend Leo Williams, also trapped in the game as well, The Man in the Coat fully possesses Tom as he attempts to kill Evan.
  • Azar is the cruel, hypocritical, and treacherous Grand Sage of Sumeru. During the events of the Sumeru Archon Quest, Azar is one of the driving forces behind most of the nation's troubles by collaborating with Il Dottore of the Fatui in a blasphemous effort to create a new God of Wisdom to replace Lesser Lord Kusanali. Throughout the story, Azar serves as an obstructive scumbag who punishes others for petty reasons, stirs up racial tensions between the people of the desert and rainforest, abuses the power of his position to create new laws to suit his whims, and is willing to sacrifice as many innocent lives as it takes to get what he wants. Finally, Azar is completely untrustworthy, willing to betray anyone, including the Fatui and his nation's own god, for his own ends.
  • Alan Wake II DLC Night Springs, "Episode 3: Time Breakers": Mr. Warlin Door, "the Master of Many Worlds", is depicted here as a far more evil version of the character than the one seen in the main game. Having unlocked the power to tap into The Multiverse and exist in all realities at once, Door seeks to conquer all of time and space, leaving dead worlds in the wake of his conquest. Determined the destroy the one man who can stop him, Tim Breaker, Door begins killing all versions of Tim across all universes, turning their corpses into his "Time Breakers" and using them to hunt down other versions of Tim. When one of the Tims evades many of Door's attempts at destroying him, Door offers him the chance to rule the multiverse together, only to reveal he's lying before trying again to kill Tim.
  • Trash Night (link): Joseph Jhonson, aka The Knife Ripper, was one of the most infamous serial killers in America. A brutal serial torturer and cannibal, the Knife Ripper would subject his victims to drawn out misery for days, even wearing their faces as a mask to taunt them, with one of his victims being a little girl. Becoming a garbage man with a hobby of photography, while still continuing his murders on the side, Joseph becomes suspicious when Jerome asks to take picture of the murder scenes in his home, and drugs him before subjecting him to brutal torture, all the while mocking him over his brother's death.
  • Blood Runs in the Family: General Tarquin of the Vector Legion is Elan's Genre Savvy, psychopathic father, whose obsession with creating a great "story" has him see everyone around him as pawns. A brutal conqueror whose initial campaign to take over the Western Continent was repelled, Tarquin devised a new plot of systematic domination, treachery, and "liberation" of kingdoms, killing thousands of people and enslaving countless more while running his operation from the shadows behind figureheads whom he regularly assassinates. Tarquin boasts of his womanizing "charms", but he is actually nothing but a Serial Rapist who tortures women into marrying and bedding him, threatening their kingdoms if they refuse him; when Captain Zora rejects his advances, Tarquin slaughters her land and specifically kills her husband to taunt her about it. Tarquin also callously plans to hand the entire continent to Nergal when he dies so thousands will be sacrificed daily to the god. Nale was raised into a horrible criminal by Tarquin's abusive parenting, and when Nale continuously defies Tarquin's plans for him—culminating in the murder of Tarquin's "best friend/useful asset" Malack—Tarquin stabs Nale to death with cold indifference. In his quest to mold Elan into a worthy hero, Tarquin burns dozens of people alive in Elan's "honor"; terrorizes and breaks the arm of Haley; and plans to slaughter the Order of the Stick, force Elan to watch, then chop off his hand to turn him into the despair-filled Anti-Hero Tarquin has decided he should be. Tarquin gladly embraces his role as a monstrous villain, and actively chafes under the assertion that he isn't the most dangerous and evil one in the world.
  • The Lord Infante is introduced late in the series as the face of the Crown's atrocities in the Big Bad Ensemble. Fully complicit in the Block, where children are trafficked to either be used for experiments or be painfully transformed into the next generation of amoral Nobles, the Infante is also responsible for laying judgment on regions the Crown cannot control, having condemned a half-dozen other territories to genocide so that Crown loyalists can reclaim and repopulate them centuries later. When the rebel and plague-filled Crown States become too troublesome to manage, the Infante begins efforts to abandon the continent by directing the spread of the Ravage plague; using Black Wood to wipe out all organic matter; and releasing Tender Mercies to hunt down survivors. Falling in love with the taste of "total abandon" caused by the war, the Infante plots to wipe out the Lambs and their allies by forcing the Duke of Francis and his professors to march to their deaths on the threat of sending everyone they love to the Crown's pits, before personally infecting the loyal Crown armies duped by Sylvester with the plague for their unwitting betrayal. A monstrous antithesis to God desperate to achieve the true power and control he falsely preaches his ilk wield, the Infante unflinchingly embraces his destructive purpose as he madly seeks to prove the superiority of the Crown over all.
  • Fantaghirò: Lord Darken was once the magic teacher of the girl who will become the White Fairy, before he started dabbling in the dark arts and became the master of evil. Longing only to spread hatred and destruction while destroying goodness, Darken almost wiped out the dragons. Needing a heart full of hatred to truly spread his evil across the world, Darken manipulated Princess Kyra of Tuan into being his servant by preventing her fiancé from showing up at their wedding, turning her into the Black Witch. Darken had her steal the Kourum, a magical artifact symbolising the love of the humanity, allowing him to spread his influence across the world. Darken unleashes The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to bring hunger, deadly plague, hatred, and finally over four centuries of war to the kingdoms of Dana and Tuan, killing countless people. When Fantaghirò is born and prophesised to bring an end to the conflict, Darken orders the Black Witch to kill her. Darken continues to try and sabotage the relationship between Fantaghirò and Dana's King Romualdo to continue the war, attempting to kill them in various ways. After Fantaghirò saves Kourum, Darken continues to empower and push the Black Witch into plots to reignite war or destroy kingdoms. Darken also has many people corrupted into his minions, from cursing the wizard Tarabas as an infant to turn into a beast if he ever feels love, to turning a boy traumatised by war into a pirate who steals souls in an attempt to regain his lost youth. In the series finale, Darken lures the heroes into his domain before unleashing fire snakes to burn Dana, Tuan, and the magical forest of Oread to the ground.

Edited by ACW on Jun 30th 2024 at 12:26:36 PM

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#48198: Jun 30th 2024 at 9:38:14 AM

[tdown] Tai Lung

Batman: Caped Crusader premieres in a month, so I'm calling it, PM if you want to collab

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#48199: Jun 30th 2024 at 10:02:38 AM

[tup] for the Shem quote.

[tdown] for Tai Lung.

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