Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
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Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
Alright just a quick post since it's past midnight.
Kung Fu Panda 4... no one counts. Chameleons Freudian Excuse is flimsy and she outright states she sees her allies as tools, not genuine care but she lacks that oomph in terms of heinous regards for one massive reason, Shen.
Similar resources yet Shens pulling way more atrocities and his endgame of conquering China is spelt out a bit more with the weight of his cannons.
Thoughts?
Edited by WetFlannels on Mar 21st 2024 at 5:39:54 PM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!Sure to Darramouss
Agreed there 110% Wet, Chameleon is utterly unpleasant and there's some Fridge Horror to her plot that would indicate destruction on the Valley but compared to Shen's plot she falls utterly flat; and even in the film canon alone, Kai's "harvesting" of people is played with more menace than Chameleon's.
- The Retreat (2021): James is a bigoted sadist who teams up with Gavin and Layna to "cull" the world of the LGBT+ community. A longtime supporter of the duo's live snuff films, James finally joins in on their crimes as he uses an axe to butcher a gay couple while cruelly taunting and filming them. James later kills two bystanders to leave no witnesses, and works with Gavin to capture the lesbian couple Renee and Val, so that James can force them to watch as one another are tortured to death.
Yes to Darramouss.
Why don't people like leaving an effortpost at the end of a page?
Check out my YouTube channel! I make audiobooks and whatever else I feel like!I think I've got another candidate.
What is the work?
The Buried Trilogy is a rather dark Kim Possible fanfic that starts with a villain burying Kim alive. Shego and Drakken rescue Kim in time, but it takes a severe toll on both Kim and Ron, and things get worse.
Our unnamed catalyst villain is a nasty piece of work, but he's not actually the guy I'm here to propose.
Who is Monkey Fist? What has he done?
Monkey Fist is the villain of the second and third parts of the trilogy. While most of Kim's Rogues Gallery either retired from villainy altogether, went on hiatus, or dramatically scaled back their operations after what happened to Kim, Monkey Fist decided that Kim and Ron being out of action gave him a unique opportunity.
With his fortune running low, Monkey Fist steals ten nuclear warheads, killing the soldiers guarding them, and intends to sell them to the highest bidder. Ron, Shego, Mr. Barkin, and one of Wade's friends (a 10-year-old genius named Kyoko) track down Fist's ship and destroy it and the nukes with it, and they assume Fist went down with them, because Drakken's nuke-neutralizing device turned the nukes into incendiaries that melted Fist's boat into slag, and No One Could Survive That!
Unfortunately, Monkey Fist managed to call upon a wellspring of magic power before he boiled, and he confronts Shego. He tells her that he intends to make Drakken pay for saving Kim, before he begins torturing her with dark magic and a railway spike. When Bonnie and Tara find her the next day, she's barely alive. If not for her powers, she wouldn't be alive at all.
At the same time, Fist has been magically inducing paranoia and aggression with his newfound abilities. It starts with "just" people with access to nuclear weapons. Thankfully, those affected all either recognized that something was wrong before they could press the big red button, or someone else recognized that they were acting strangely in time. However, the Hate Plague ends up escalating, affecting more and more adults. At least one building gets firebombed, an American battleship gets attacked by Russian fighter jets, riots take place in Mexico City, eventually a tactical nuke does get detonated over Indian troops in Kashmir, and eventually just about everyone is getting violent. Soon, America fires ICBMs at Great Britain, though Wade and Kyoko thankfully manage to shut them down.
Ann Possible confirms that within twenty-four hours, every human being on the planet will have been rendered completely and irreversibly homicidally insane. Assuming there are any human beings left on the planet, because Israel's communications have shown that they're about to start flying out their nukes, and while the fact that they're not ICBMs means it will take longer, it also means Wade and Kyoko can't stop them. A tactical nuke against a military target might be forgivable if they can stop the madness in time, but strategic nukes against a civilian population? No.
Kim and Ron face Monkey Fist in Global Justice HQ, where most of the personnel have killed each other. Ron stabs both himself and Monkey Fist with the Lotus Blade, as he can't find any other way to stop Monkey Fist, lethally or otherwise, without calling on too much of the Lotus Blade's power and unleashing some new horror on the world. Kim manages to save Ron. Monkey Fist doesn't survive, and the Hate Plague dies with him.
The Competition
Monkey Fist is one of three villainous forces, and he's the one I'm most sure counts.
In the first fic, we have the Starter Villain, who buries Kim alive. I'm on the fence as to whether or not he could be a CM. He's pretty bad considering his resources are very limited and his karma comes very quickly, but either way, he's not outdoing Monkey Fist.
As for the third villainous force, in the second fic, Ron and Shego bust a massive child trafficking operation, played for as much horror as possible, which would easily put the ringleader on the table, except the ringleader never appears in the fic. Ron and Shego only face off against the faceless goons, who are despicable, with one even trying to mass-murder the slaves in order to get rid of the evidence, but none of them have enough of an individual identity to count, and in the end they're just cogs in the machine. Even so, again, horrible, but not worse than Monkey Fist's plan to wipe out humanity.
Mitigating factors?
Let's get this out of the way: Monkey Fist thinks the magic he accessed came from dark gods. However, when Ron gets a taste of it, he realizes that's not the case. Monkey Fist just accessed a wellspring of raw magic. What he did with it was all on him. And no, when he finds out, Monkey Fist doesn't have a My God, What Have I Done? moment, or a Villainous BSoD, or even a proper Villainous Breakdown. He just says that in that case, he'll use that power to become a god himself. There are no agency concerns here.
Aside from that, nothing. Unlike the rest of Team Possible's villains, he has no sympathy for Kim. In fact, he says she deserved everything that happened to her and worse. He had no compunctions about potentially causing a nuclear disaster even before his power-up, and afterwards, he's actively trying to cause one.
Verdict?
to Darramouss
As for the Chameleon, what ruined her chances in my eyes is the fact she doesn't have a real body count. Not even in the Kill Henchmen department since she just pushed a mafia boss off a fleet of stairs for insulting her. Not even threatening to kill Po's daddies just to make Po suffer.
And considering that apparently the Spirit Realm is apparently a great rehabilitation place (based on Shen and Kai bowing to Po alongside Tai Lung), I doubt we'll be getting a Complete Monster villain in the Kung Fu Panda movieverse any time soon.
for Darramouss and Monkey Fist.
Having seen the movie myself, yeah, in full agreement that Chameleon doesn't count. I don't think I have much to add, but yeah, in terms of personality, she is fine, but in terms of heinous? Yeah, I just cannot get around the entire fact Shen does worse and with one brief visual, she relies on Fridge Horror. Hell, she doesn't even kill anyone.
Darramouss and Monkey Fist, wouldn’t be the first time the latter counted.
Yes to Monkey Fist
What's the work?
Cyberpunk 2077 is a video game based on the TTRPG series Cyberpunk. Set in a not-so-distant future where the warring MegaCorps Arasaka and Militech have more power than the government, you take up the role of one of the many residents of the metropolis Night City, just trying to survive the dystopic, technologically-reliant society by working the streets, pulling off some heists, and taking most any job that pays well enough.
Who is Joanne Koch? What has she done?
- A lead scientist for the pharmaceutical and medical research corporation Biotechnica, Dr. Joanne Koch is the target of the Gig "Guinea Pigs." An unscrupulous woman who has carried out a variety of less-than-moral tests for Biotechnica, Koch's latest scheme has been her worst: she oversaw "Project Nightingale", the kidnapping and experimentation of an entire small town of the Red Ocher Noman clan that resulted in them all dying horrible, prolonged deaths. Well over 70 corpses resulted from this atrocity, described as involving "electromagnetic overstimulation" that lead to their lungs collapsing and other violent physical reactions.
- Koch then goes about covering up all involvement with this atrocity. She plants forged papers onto a fellow scientist, Emilia Morton, for disagreeing with her on the tests that result in Emilia being fired and her life ruined; when Emilia messaged Koch with threats of going to the press, Koch responded by ordering her assassination. Koch framed and/or killed multiple more people who tried to connect her to the truth, and even deliberately sent Biotechnica mooks to harvest further results from the corpses of her victims—obscuring that the mooks would be affected by the residuals of the experiment, one of them bemoaning that he lost an arm from barley any contact.
- The familes of the lost Red Ochers scrape together enough eddies to pay for a hit to be put on Koch. Our player V tracks Koch to an apartment and confronts her, where Koch tries to brush off her mass murder as a "necessary" step to developing a new type of antibiotic—V rightly calls her out as only caring about lining her pockets by only selling said potential antibiotic to the wealthy. Koch pleads for the opportunity to leave notes about her research behind so it can still be used, which V can allow her to...only for Koch to immediately take advantage of the wiggle room to try to escape while screaming for security.
- V can simply kill Koch then and there, but it's far more satisfying to knock her unconscious and put in her a ship bound for the surviving Red Ocher Nomad families...with V assured that Koch will receive a "warm welcome" from those she hurt the most.
Mitigating features?
None even remotely. Koch is just a greedy, ambitious scientist who carries out her actions For Science! and money, and her attempts to explain herself are utterly rebutted by V and exposed as bullshit further by her ego-stroking, asshole personal communications. Even when Koch seems to have a moment of humanity in wanting to leave her research behind so the Red Ochers died for nothing, it's revealed to be nothing but a Dirty Coward attempt to save her skin.
Heinousness?
Cyberpunk is a...very dark, fucked up world. Adam Smasher is a mass murdering rapist and war criminal, Jotaro is a sadist who tortures over a dozen people to death for snuff films, and the two MegaCorps are just generally full of scheming assholes who will betray anyone for a quick buck.
Koch, though, clears the standard pretty swell. Biotechnica as a whole is morally bankrupt in its experiments, but Koch is the perpetrator and overseer of its worst action in Nightingale, and she goes further in ordering the executions of multiple people who try to expose the truth. She's got a hefty bodycount of an entire town of 70+ people horrifically killed by nasty experiments, plus multiple more murders to silence those investigating.
Final Verdict?
Think she's a keep
Edited by Ravok on Mar 22nd 2024 at 7:34:50 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Darramouss, Monkey Fist, Koch and I agree with the assessment that the Chameleon doesn't count for this trope.
She might lack redeeming qualities and is taken seriously by the narrative, but she fails the heinous standard of the franchise even when you ignore the non-canon TV shows as most of her crimes lack the weight of Kai's and especially Shen's schemes from the previous movies.
"The time has come for every last Shoppe... No! The time has come for the DREAM KINGDOM to bow down to me! Gotcha ! Hee-hee!" | He/Him
Darramouss, Monkey Fist, and Koch
Regarding Chameleon, yeah she doesn’t come even close to breaching KFP’s heinous standard. I’d argue that even Tai Lung is more heinous than her (considering all the prison guards where you can actually make the argument that he killed people). Not sure if she counts as a Magnificent Bitch either.
Edited by Fireball246 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:08:00 AM

I was initially going to leave the Fighting Fantasy series aside until getting my hands on their more recent books, but... fuck it. Looking back at the old series, decide to re-evaluate one which is considered among Steve Jackson's darkest, best works... and also one of the hardest.
Have I mentioned you're not a human, but a scaly mindless reptilian monster in this book? Well you used to be, but anyway...
Creature of Havoc, the 24th Fighting Fantasy book, one where you play as the titular Tragic Monster; you're once the human Captain of a Flying Ship called the Galleykeep until a Sorcerous Overlord named Zharradan Marr, who rules Trolltooth Pass like a tyrant and intends to take over Allansia, led his army to ambush your vessel, slaughter your crew, and perform transmogrification experiments on you to turn you into a monster. And you must regain your memory, identity, and all that.
Now, Zharradan Marr's an approved CM already, rightfully so (by some guy called AmbarSonOfDeshar who seems no longer with us). Eh. However, Marr's not the only utterly monstrous villain in the book.
To reach Marr, you must cross and exit Yellowstone Mines, and face off against the slave-master, Darramouss.
Who is Darramouss?
The DeSaad to Zharradan Marr's Darkseid.
In Marr's initial conquest, the sorcerer obtains ownership of the Yellowstone Mines, a series of caverns with a rich deposit of gold, manned by paid workers supervised by Marr's former comrade and fellow practitioner of magic, a neutral wizard named Hannicus; but Hannicus' laziness and incompetence in overseeing laborers led to raiders breaking in and out of the mines with Marr's gold, workers helping themselves to the goods, and soon Marr decides a replacement is needed, pronto.
Darramouss is a sadistic half-elf lich, a slaver and Torture Technician in Marr's army, pledging alliance to Marr for satisfying his bloodlust. Tasked with orders to carry out executions, Darramouss welcomes the orders, besides having captives privately tortured in dungeons before sentencing them to their deaths.
Upon being reinstated as the new slavemaster, Darramouss' first action is to have Hannicus blinded and thrown into the dungeons, and end the system of paying labourers, turning Yellowstone Mines into a slave camp. Guards are now armed with bullwhips, slaves are worked to the death on a daily basis, while Darramouss had soldiers - led by Thugruff, the half-troll army captain - launch raids for more slaves. Tasked with upgrading the mines' security, Darramouss, an Evilutionary Biologist as well, would assist Zharradan Marr in the production of various monsters, including Clawbeasts (deformed, humanoid creatures with curved, barbed tentacles in place of arms), Devourers (shaggy, Yeti-like creatures who feeds on flesh, one is depicted on the 2002 edition's cover art
In your adventure, as you try finding your way through the maze-like mines, you come across Hannicus, imprisoned in a dungeon with Prophet Eyes thanks to being cursed with blindness, and supervised by two Blood Orcs under Darramouss' orders; you kill his captors, and it turns out Hannicus owns a magic Ring of Holy Blessing, the sole weakness Darramouss that Hannicus kept for himself the day he was blinded. Depending if you have found the Vapors of Reason that allows you to communicate with humans or not (since in this adventure you assume the role of a mindless reptilian monster), you'll be granted Hannicus' ring (failing that, kill Hannicus by accident and leave without the ring). You eventually confront Darramouss and if you have Hannicus' ring, you cause Darramouss' spell to backfire and disintegrates the vile lich. If you don't, Darramouss No-Sell all your attacks, where you rip him to shreads only for him to reform, Evil Gloating all the way; as you tire out Darramouss would curses you with a spell where hundreds and hundreds of flesh grub maggots spawns all over you, eating you alive sloooooooooooooooooooowly....
If you do survive, you then continue in your quest to seek and destroy Zharradan Marr, and to turn yourself back human.
Mitigating Factors?
Nope, he's a willing follower of Zharradan Marr who enjoys his job a little too much. The backstory describes him as a "being without remorse... who took pride in torture and torment" and it shows in the story. The guy has more than enough sentience despite being a lich; as he faces you, Darramouss gloats that "You shall remain in his dungeons and do my bidding. For I am Darramouss, your master!" and on the page where he dies, the text explicitly describes him as "a foul creature..."
Heinousness Standard?
Darramouss' only real competitor is prolly his boss, the Big Bad Zharradan Marr, an all-powerful Sorcerous Overlord who owns an army, captains a flying ship called the Galleykeep (stolen from you; you retrieve it in the Golden Ending when you banish Marr for good) and a despotic ruler through and through, like what his current write-up claims.
But for a supporting villain? You see the results of Darramouss' experiments in the form of various monsters in the caverns, scenes of slaves being whipped, plenty of lingering impact from the slavemaster's activities, even beyond his death and all that. Not bad for a guy killed roughly one-third into the proper ending.
Compared to other notable minions of chaos within the story; Darramouss is one of Marr's two Co-Dragons, the other being his army's half-troll captain, Thugruff, the brawn to Darramouss' brains. Thugruff roughly has the same amount of character screentime (or... page-time, since this is a book) but only shows up in Marr's military outpost called the Testing Grounds, training mooks, receiving orders and despite being depicted as a strict (if overly-harsh) military figure, seems like a guy just doing his job. While killing Darramouss is compulsory in the book, killing Thugruff is not and in fact leads to a bad ending if you do so.
The rest of the villains are just kind of... there. Marr's personal physician, Quimmel Bone who's literally Dem Bones, tries tricking you to suffer a Beat Still, My Heart fate, but only shows up for like six pages. The weather-mage Nimbicus is in charge of Weather Manipulation to ensure the Galleykeep is able to sail on a clear day, but otherwise doesn't leave his quarters. Marr's sole human contact, the traitor Vallaska Roue, is a Fat Bastard responsible for scouting help for Marr (and is in fact responsible for getting Thugruff and Darramouss employed within Marr's ranks) but is a Posthumous Character killed in the backstory. The rest of Marr's minions has little-to-no development whatsoever.
Should we count Darramouss then?
Throw in a second line down there, right below his boss Z-Marr.
Edited by RobertTYL on Mar 21st 2024 at 11:33:31 PM