Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
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Ah, so an Entitled Bastard.
If nothing else, there's the "He jacked a little bitty baby..." line.
EDIT: Also, I'm back from my trip (I had fun
). Please no more writeups; I wanna try and clear out the Drafts tomorrow.
Edited by ACW on Feb 18th 2024 at 9:06:05 AM
Gordon
SCP-6618-A / Papa
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 18th 2024 at 9:11:40 AM
Watch me destroying my countryHi, guys. As promised, here's a new EP for a character I'd skipped over months ago. For your consideration... Let's talk about Kevin. (And sorry if this is a bit wordy, I wanted to make sure nothing got lost this time)
What's the Work?
A Haunting at Silver Falls is a 2013 horror movie staring a teenage girl named Jordan. After the death of her father, she moves in with her aunt and uncle in a small country town, set near Silver Falls, a location known to be haunted by twin girls, supposedly killed by their father. Jordan finds a ring and gets haunted from then on.
Back in January, I made an EP
about the aunt and uncle — Serial Killer Anne and Serial Rapist Kevin. However, I'd done Kevin a disservice by forgetting a few things he did; things that make him worse than I originally remembered.
Most of this EP will be going over Kevin's role in the story, with updated info. I do touch on Anne's actions when relevant, especially stuff that didn't make it to the first EP (though they don't affect her status as a CM as far as I'm aware, we may just need an updated entry).
Who is Kevin?
As mentioned, Kevin is Jordan's uncle by marriage. He's also a disgusting Serial Rapist, though through much of the film he's attempting to act like a normal, caring uncle. He's not good at it. You see, Jordan's time at that house is pretty miserable. As the ghosts mess with her, Anne and Kevin act very oddly — in a way that's honestly pretty abusive. Anne blames Jordan for stealing her things, and Kevin jumps in as well. Both repeatedly gaslight her about things, such as whether or not she'd locked her bedroom door (which the ghosts keep opening). They prioritize their own date nights and sex lives over Jordan's wellbeing, at one point outright locking her in the bathroom with a very complicated set-up.
This bathroom incident nearly resulted in Jordan's death, thanks to one of the ghosts essentially trying to drown her to get the ring back. Anne and Kevin, to their credit, make it back just in time to save her and even conveniently have lifesaving medicine ready. And then, uh... we get a shot of Kevin stroking her foot, and they carry her back to her bedroom. The door shuts on the three of them, Jordan unconscious in Kevin's arms as Anne stands near the bed.
And then we cut to Jordan wearing different clothes. Still conked out. The ghost who just tried to murder her now sitting at her bedside, suddenly no longer attacking her but rather shadowing her wherever she goes and overtly trying to get Jordan's attention / assistance. ...Yeah, so, when I'd first watched, I'd somehow glossed over this scene. It's not confirmed that anything bad happened to her, but it's implied, especially once you know the truth about Anne and Kevin. Especially Kevin, who upon closer inspection cannot stop with the bad touches and long glances. It's pretty gross.
Anyway, Jordan is now being followed by the ghost of Holly Dahl, which is inconvenient for her, since everyone thinks she's going insane. She herself tells Larry that her mother apparently saw things, before killing herself through drowning. She soon learns that three other girls, at least, also conveniently killed themselves in the exact same way after also claiming to be stalked by Holly. Anne and Kevin, guardians of the year, team up with her awful psychologist to make her meet Wyatt Dahl — the innocent father on death row, about to die in a matter of hours for the crime he didn't commit. Jordan walks away with the knowledge that he's innocent (and that she's not insane), but now thinks that the sheriff and his son are to blame. In one scene, it's implied that Anne is exploiting this to keep her from finding out any info, telling her that the son Robbie is a rapist seconds before handing her the phone where he's trying to get her to come to the falls — claiming he wants to help her. We never learn if it's true, but frankly, I don't trust Anne here.
We have a scene where she chops logs with Kevin, who as usual cannot keep his hands off her. He gets up behind her and teaches her to use an axe, then says that using an axe feels good, and then tells her that it's good to be in the law's good graces when she insults the sheriff. Immediately after, Jordan sees the ghost and decides she's running away from home, but first tries to steal from Anne. From here, she finds the stash of images, along with one of the twin's rings. Anne knocks her out and she wakes up in a hole under the basement as the two kind of start arguing about if they're really going to murder Jordan.
Kevin doesn't want to do it, but Anne demands it. She strikes him, and then claims to love him, before choking him not five minutes later as she tells him "not to play" while she's gone... So yeah, still not convinced it's real love. Kevin can't help himself, though, and it's not only with Jordan. He tries to insist to Anne that he doesn't think about any of the other women anymore, which isn't too convincing since he communicates with Holly's ghost, immediately decides to try and rape Jordan, and taunts her about her mother (who he also raped).
Now, this is another part I'd failed to describe perfectly. Kevin is downright scary here. He toys with her by offering her help, only to lead her to a locked door. He pulls her back down by the collar of her shirt, choking her, and throws her to the floor. While he does offer her drugs that will make her death less painful, he makes it conditional on whether or not she behaves by playing his sick game of trying to leave and pretending she'll miss him. When she instead freaks out, he straight up grabs her and screams at her about how she's just like her mother, who also couldn't listen to simple instructions. He also claims here that Anne loves him, but like... We'll talk about that.
Larry knocks him out with a shovel, Anne shows up, also gets knocked out, and the two are restrained and put into the hole with the rings. The ghosts kill them as the movie cuts to black. While Anne comes back for the sequel, as already described in the last EP, this is the last we see of Kevin.
Why he failed last time
Last time, I'd accidentally forgot some scenes due to having watched the movie months before I could do the EP. Multiple rewrites conserved a lot of the info, but not all of it. In particular, I'd come away thinking that Kevin was a disgusting unhinged freak, but one who loved his wife and was capable of treating Jordan with kindness. This is no longer something I believe is true.
Kevin is actually much more transparent than his wife, as Anne is better at pretending to not be a total sadistic psycho. Kevin, on the other hand, is very touchy and gives many creepy glances, and seems to be with Anne less out of love and more because they're both mutually toxic — she lets him do his thing if he lets her murderize people. Win-win. Oh, and there's the whole "Jordan mysteriously changing clothes while unconscious after Kevin carried her to bed" thing...
As for Anne now, I still maintain that her supposed "love" for Kevin is fake. She hits him and chokes him and threatens him, and seems to treat him more like a child than an equal. She's super condescending and bossy, and as discussed before, she doesn't mention Kevin at all in the sequel. Oh, and he keeps insisting that Anne is the killer, while even offering Jordan a drug to help the pain be blocked, so he's really not making his wife look good there.
Final Thoughts
With the movie now fresh in my mind, having rewatched just last night, I can confidently say that we were wrong about Kevin. He's a complete sleaze who seems incapable of keeping his hands and eyes to himself, and who seems to be more of Anne's subordinate than an equal, loving partner — given that he immediately ignores her request and is clearly obsessed with multiple other women and girls.
I think Kevin could join Anne as a CM, but what say you guys?
Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 18th 2024 at 9:22:02 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallOkay, let's try this again.
Before the events of the game, the original Yomi commissioned Dr. Huesca to replicate the Unified Government's research on Homunculi so that he could build his own army. He had the civilians of Kanai Ward give him their DNA for the experiment under the guise of treating a disease, and people that refused were executed, including Kirumi's grandfather. However, a defect in the Homunculi made them go berserk in sunlight and kill everybody in Kanai Ward. The original Yomi was a casualty of this, but his malevolence lived on through his Homunculus, whom had his personality and memories.
Whenever he is threatened, he sends his nameless advisor to eliminate them. Those include the former CEO of Amaterasu Corporation because he chose Makoto to be his successor instead of him and Yakou's wife after she threatened to expose Dr. Huesca's Homunculus experiment. After he finds out Makoto is summoning Master Detectives to Kanai Ward to expose his crimes, he sends the assassin to Kill and Replace the real Zilch Alexander, burn four other detectives alive, and leave Yuma alive to frame him, kickstarting the game's plot.
Even his own subordinates aren't safe from his wrath. After Seth Burroughs was exposed for taking bribes from a church under Yomi's orders, he had him executed to save face. He violently abuses his right-hand woman and lover, Martina Electro, and orders to have her crushed to death when an assassination he ordered didn't go the way he wanted it to.
When he learns Dr. Huesca is plotting to fake his death and escape Kanai Ward, Yomi opts to kill two birds with one stone by anonymously sending a letter to Yakou blaming Huesca for his wife's death, knowing he would kill him in revenge. Behind the scenes, he was selling Amaterasu Corporation secrets to rival companies. His final act of spite should his plans go south would be to expose Project Homunculus to the public so that the Unified Goverment would raze Kanai Ward.
Makoto was a Well-Intentioned Extremist. Yes, he served inmates as food, but only because the Homunculi citizens of Kanai Ward could only eat human flesh. He also created the machine that caused the city's perpetual rain to keep them from going berserk in sunlight. However, Yuma was able to reason with him, and he not only revealed the truth about Project: Homunculus, but found ways for them to live normally despite their conditions.
Since Dr. Huesca was in charge of Project: Homunculus, you'd think he's just as bad as Yomi, and his Homunculus clone certainly wasn't an ethical person. However, Yuma would later find a recording from the original Huesca revealing his remorse for the casualties caused by his experiment. Since Homunculi are perfect clones with the personality and memories of their sources, it shows Huesca has enough morality to regret causing city wide genocide if his Homunculus knew the truth. Since the Homunculus was planning to escape despite what sunlight would do to him, then it's obvious he doesn't know what his source did.
Yomi, on the other hand, shows none of their redeeming qualities. He knows of the blood on his hands and doesn't care.
- Plus-Si: In this story following the young princes Belca and Orcelito discovering the truth behind the murder of their older brother after he tried to abolish the slavery of the "Amontel" or Hokulea, The Big Bad Duumvirate are sinister figures willing to do anything to preserve said slavery.
- Barbaresco Lagen is the ruthless noble behind Prince Hector's death, caused by a failed attempt to enslave him using drugs that were tested in Hokulean slaves under his orders. Motivated to ruin the Noctircus dinasty for the sake of his family's pride, Barbareco abused his children and adopted Kiliko after causing the apparent death of his son to use Kiliko as his personal assasin that would kill the King and Orcelito's tutor to install the grieving prince as their brainwashed Puppet King and preserve Hokulean slavery. When Prince Belca arrives to Azelprade to prevent a Hokulean genocide and spread the cure against a deadly pandemic wrecking the Kingdom, Barbaresco obstructs his efforts to arrive to the capital in order to use the sick Orcelito for his plans, uncaring that this causes more deaths in the capital.
- Lord Orbus is a apparently silly man with a wicked sadism. Introduced having torture chambers for Hokuleans, Orbus celebrates Hector's murder and sells his female Holukean servants as Sex Slaves as punishment for trying to "become more than what they are". When Orcelito is turned into a apparent Puppet King and Belca spreads the truth behind the deaths in the royal family, Orbus orders the murder of the bard spreading rumours and his audience. When Belca raises a army to spread a cure for the pandemic that devastates the Kingdom, Orbus orders to starve the city where Belca is stationed, intending to kill its entire population. In the final chapter, Orbus believes that he manipulated Orcelito into fighting Belca and when Orcelito uses the opportunity to reveal the truth behind the Kingdom and the Hokuleans' humanity, Orbus orders his troops to slaughter the crowd listening the Prince, killing many innocents—including a children—before being stabbed for Orcelito.
Homunculus Yomi Hellsmile
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 18th 2024 at 9:24:11 AM
Watch me destroying my countryThis is my first time suggesting a character for this thread, so please let me know if I get anything wrong or if I need to add more details to any section.
This version of Boscha is more sinister than in canon. Not only did she take advantage of Amity being in a coma by kissing her, she later attempted to rape Amity years later after drugging her with a potion. When another character finally decided to end an alliance with her, Boscha drugged her with another potion that brainwashed her into doing whatever she wanted without fear of being penalized. Eventually it’s revealed she wants to see Luz erased from existence, as in her wish is that Luz was never born. Even when it seems like she's about to be defeated and eliminated from the DGP she swears that she’ll just make her friends suffer, including her goddaughter if she’s sent back.
Things do get muddled because Boscha hasn't actually gotten far in a lot of her goals, but she has gotten dangerously close. She almost raped Amity if not for a last-minute intervention from Masha, she nearly got Marcy killed thanks to forcing her to fight a brainwashed Sasha, and was about to get away with the intent to follow up on her threat to hurt everyone Luz knows before she was stopped by the Game Master and eliminated from the game.
While her lack of success could potentially hinder her chances of getting the Complete Monster label, I personally think she deserves it for just how heartless she is. What do you all think?
Edited by CrimsonAce on Feb 18th 2024 at 7:25:38 AM
I'll say that Kenjaku just barely gets a
from me. Unless my memory is betraying me, he told Jogo to chill out when killing those people at the restaurant (though he didn't try to stop him). His end goal with the Merger nullifies any redeeming qualities he may have had, especially after he gives it to Sukuna.
Kevin
Clone!Yomi Hellsmile, I dig the name.
Boscha, doesn't do much despite being an Adaptational Badass.
With Zaien approved, here's the full write up:
- Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger:
- Basco ta Jolokia stands out as viler than the Zangyack Empire he serves, despite having fewer resources. Once a member of the Red Pirates, Basco betrayed them to the Zangyack upon learning of Aka Red's intent to give the Ranger Keys back to the Super Sentai, desiring the Greatest Treasure in the Universe for himself. Believing "you have to sacrifice something to get something else", Basco holds an ill child hostage for the GoGoV's Greater Power, breaks Gai's arm on a whim, and threatens to bomb a school in order to obtain the Megaranger's Greater Power. Basco's cruelest act comes when he abuses his pet monkey Sally, and blows her up when she defects.
- At Least My Friend’s Soul: Great Scientist Zaien is a scientist who specializes in experimenting on living beings in service to the Zangyack. A mad genius, Zaien loves to convert people into cyborgs, leaving them as slaves with no memories of their past and no way to return to their original forms. When Sid Bamick betrays the Zanyack, Zaien brainwashed him through torture into Barizorg, with Joe Gibken horrified and heartbroken at what his former friend has become. Arriving to assist Warz Gill’s invasion of Earth, Zaien kidnaps human athletes to put his Barizorg project into mass-production, before vowing to do this to the Gokaigers for freeing them.
Edited by sethtropes on Feb 18th 2024 at 9:18:50 AM
Seth Moss
For Yomi. That being said, I don't really think that the original Yomi was actually mentioned to be directly involved with killing the people who refused the blood test. Pretty sure they were casualties of the Homunculus going berserk. Only they didn't have a clone to replace themselves due to not taking the blood test.
Sure to Kevin and Yomi
Another from The Saint!
What has Nick Chan done?
- Villain of the 1989 made-for-TV film The Saint in Australia (part of the six-film miniseries starring Simon Dutton as the Saint), Nick Chan is a Chinese businessman, Corrupt Corporate Executive, and blackmailer. Nick is ruthlessly blackmailing a man attempting to sell his father's amusement park; when the man refuses to knuckle under, Nick has him garroted to death by his Dragon.
- What sets Nick apart, though, is his brothel, which is staffed entirely with dozens of young women who have been conned and forced into prostitution, drugged to keep them compliant. His "secretary" is an older woman who spent ten years as a prostitute slowly clawing her way into Nick's good graces, and who still endures physical abuse from Nick even in the present day.
- Nick hits his lowest point when he has a child kidnapped and made to be a prostitute. When his horrified secretary pleads "she's not that kind of girl!" Nick coldly replies "we will make her into that kind of girl," and promptly orders the kid subjected to a particularly horrifying Rape Discretion Shot. Unsurprisingly, the child prostitute hangs herself shortly after this, and the secretary ends up shooting Nick dead in vengeful grief.
- Nothing.
- Out of the six Simon Dutton Saint movies, only The Saint in Australia has a sex slaver as its main villain, and hoo boy is he repugnant, particularly with what he does to that poor kid. The made-for-TV Saint movies were generally light, (relatively) family-friendly fare with little in the way of onscreen violence, but the suicide of the child prostitute is easily the darkest moment in any of the movies and it really nails in what a bastard Nick is.
Ain't Slayed Nobody's "Ministry
of
Fear
":
- Rosalind "Riz" Holmes is Fathom Films' scriptwriter, possessing a macabre imagination wielded in the creation of gruesome PSAs for the British Central Office of Information. Informed that the COI is under new management with a mandate to inspire terror and paranoia towards everyday life, Riz is initially furious when tea-boy Ben Christie is given the role of ideatior instead of her. When Ben accidentally causes an innocent woman to be seriously injured, Riz gaslights him into leaving the woman to bleed out and later causing a construction site to collapse, leading to several workers and innocent bystanders being fatally injured. Delighted that the Minister in charge of the COI approves, Riz goads the mentally-broken Ben into suggesting they drive a fully-loaded double-decker bus through Covent Garden, supplies him with tools to sabotage it, and gaslights him into going through with it when he tries to back out. When the ensuing bus crash kills countless men, women, and children—including her coworkers Adrian Turnbull and Kirby Sullivan—Riz revels in the carnage as she and Ben capture it on film; and eagerly volunteers her services when the Minister offers either her or Ben an in-house job committing even more acts of mass-murder and domestic terrorism.

Robert
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️