Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
Where should he go?
- Oblivion:
- Mankar Camoran
- Knights of the Nine Expansion Pack: Umaril
Edited by ACW on Dec 24th 2023 at 6:32:07 AM
to Ancient Spirits of Evil, Yuri and Dimitry.
to Censor.
Looks like Mercer got the greenlight. While it should go to Monster.Video Games, I'm gonna leave it in the YMMV tab for Avatar's franchise page for now until a dedicated page is developed for the game. Anyway...
- Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora: John Mercer, the Executive Vice President of Frontier Operations for the RDA and the game's Big Bad, epitomizes the worst of humanity thanks to his greed and xenophobia. As the director of The Ambassador Program (TAP), Mercer orchestrates a genocidal attack on the Sarentu clan, eradicating the entire population apart from the five children his program abducts. Under the guise of integrating Na'vi children into human society, he subjects them to brutal training, severe psychological manipulation, and dehumanizing conditions. Mercer also repeatedly verbally and physically abuses the children, from lying to them about being abandoned by their own clan and confiscating the player character's songcord to severely beating Teylan for wetting his bed. This culminates in the cold-blooded murder of a child, Aha'ri, when she attempts to lead an escape. Mercer's cruelty only worsens after the Time Skip, as he authorizes region-wide oil extraction projects at the expense of Pandora's natural habitat and the Na'vi tribes, culminating in an ambitious plot to run a large-scale fracking operation that would decimate Pandora's Western Frontier. Mercer's relentless pursuit of power and control, coupled with his callous disregard for environmental sanctity and his utter lack of empathy, firmly establish him as a monstrous embodiment of greed and inhumanity.
Edited by sanfranman91 on Dec 24th 2023 at 6:42:55 AM
for Yuri and Dimitry.
Anyway, gonna post my second write-up:
- Man on the Internet: "Tilt-A-Whirl
": Circus Baby in this song is completely shed of the sympathetic and redeeming traits that her original counterpart had, instead being depicted as an Ax-Crazy Killer Robot who seems gleeful to the idea of more blood. In the past, she would kill an unsuspecting Elizabeth Afton to seemingly both spite her brother, Michael over the recent death of Evan, and for her own enjoyment. As Ennard, Baby and the other Funtimes would lure Michael Afton into their trap and scoop out his insides, using him as a literal skin suit to escape the Pizzeria to more likely than not cause more distress. To make matters worse, however, Michael lives through the painful process of becoming a rotting Meat Puppet for Baby and the other animatronics, as Baby would promise that he will never die.
- Aquaman: Andromeda’ issue 3: Captain Franco was the leader of a Serbian special ops team during the Bosnian war and Alexei Ivanov’s former superior. Franco ran the illegal operation of transporting war refugees to Pesara. When in danger of being caught at the end of the war, Franco orders Ivanov to cut the tow line of a rubber dinghy holding 14 refugees, including a little girl, in the middle of the sea. When Franco learns Serbian ships are in the area, he holds Ivanov at gunpoint to force him to sink the dinghy and drown the refugees.
This EP is rated X for X-Mas.
What’s the Work?
Merry Holidays and Happy Christmas to those who celebrate it! Let's cherish the day with a special(ly violent) EP.
Tenement is a 1985 exploitation movie that, to quote one YouTube comment, "It's like Assault on Precinct 13 (1976) meets Dawn of the Dead (1978) meets Death Wish II meets I Spit on Your Grave meets Home Alone".
One of the only actual films directed by exploitation queen Roberta Findlay (with most of her prior filmography being... uh, adult films), this movie revolves around a gang of psycho drug dealers being kicked out of the apartment they were using as a base of operations, with one of the apartment's tenants finally getting them arrested.
But after being let go a few hours later, the gang's leader Chaco promises to "get [his] fucking building back" by wiping everybody out inside, including the elderly, the children, and a pregnant woman. It's up to the apartment tenants to defend themselves and secure their building from the ravenous gang.
Now despite Chaco's plan and brutality, he doesn't actually count. One of his men however...
Who is He?
Hector, one of the top men in Chaco's gang, is the most sadistic member of the team.
What has he done?
Taking part in Chaco's plan to slaughter everybody inside the apartment, Hector shows himself to be a savage when (in an infamous scene) he gives the order to shove a broom handle up a tied-up woman's ass, killing her immediately.
Hector kills and tortures several more residents with sadistic glee, from impaling a guy returning home at the wrong time with a pipe, to forcing himself onto a woman and slitting her throat with a razor-blade. With no care for his fellow gangsters, upon witnessing one of his friends dying from faulty drugs, Hector laughs and nonchalantly leaves his body to rot.
But Hector eventually meets his end when one of the residents, the one who got the gang arrested earlier, stabs him in the chest after knocking a fridge onto him.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. Though Chaco considered him a friend, Hector doesn't really get to show it. Given he gladly watched one of his own men dying, it's safe to say Hector doesn't really care about anything but drugs and murder.
Heinousness?
While it's Chaco's plan to wipe out the apartment's residents, and he can be pretty brutal as well (he stabs one of his men in the dick for failing him and leaves him to bleed to death), he genuinely cares for Hector and his girlfriend Chula, roaring with anger upon witnessing their deaths.
Hector, out of all of Chaco's men, claims the most bodies during the insurgence, and he's responsible for the infamous broom scene, which helps him stand out from the others. Speaking of which, Chaco's men don't get much time to shine compared to Hector, and even Chula only has one murder anyway, which is nothing compared to Hector, who kills more than her anyway. Hector's the most active member of Chaco's gang, with his body count and love of torture attesting to that.
Conclusion
I say he keeps. Have a non-violent Christmas, guys! Make sure to stay away from broom handles.
It's Spooky Month!
to Hector, if the "exploitation movie" part doesn't mean the Human Centipede or a Serbian Film sort of Torture Porn.
As far as I can tell, this is clearly a movie with a simple plot, albeit a movie that's a bit over-the-top in violence. I don't see why this would be an issue.
for Hector.
Hector
Happy festivities all!
Been binging the show since I've got a EP from it prepping for MB but how about this short segment for CM of Silas slaughtering his allies after they save him? from where the link starts to everyone dying.
You already voted Hector up Mir?
Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 25th 2023 at 7:29:01 PM
What's wrong D-16? Rise up!

- Umaril the Unfeathered, the "foulest of a foul race," was the half-divine champion and de facto Evil Overlord of the Ayleid Empire in its twilight. Umaril presided over the most horrifying regime in the history of either man or mer; the early Nedic tribes were enslaved by the Ayleids and subjected to a litany of degradations, including being sacrificed to Daedric Princes such as Molag Bal or Meridia; being subjected to horrific "art-tortures" such as being warped into alive and conscious "flesh-sculptures"; or simply being butchered and eaten by the Ayleids. Children were set on fore and set upon by hungry tigers, and gardens were made from their eviscerated internal organs. Death could not stop Umaril's evil; cast on the tides of Oblivion, Umaril resurrects himself in the Third Era and promptly has entire temples full of priests massacred to write grisly warnings to the Nine Divines in blood and corpses. Umaril intends to cast down the Nine Divines in revenge for the destruction of the Ayleid Empire, which would have the side effect of unraveling Nirn and wiping out all mortal life on the planet.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!