Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Don't delete an EP unless you intend to swiftly repost it. We know that there are reasons why you might want to delete an EP, especially if it's being downvoted - rejection is hard, even in a low-stakes environment like this. However, deleting it renders the current discussion null and void, makes it impossible to reference the discussion in the future and can confuse tropers who didn't read it before the deletion. If the issue is temporary (such as formatting problems or a post getting overlooked as the thread moves on), then deleting and quickly reposting the EP is a valid option, but to fully retract an EP, please use the [[strike:]] markup instead.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- 'If a work is already reserved by another user , please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest
for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 12th 2024 at 3:13:36 PM
DEVA Officials. So according to the EP they're just Karma Houdinis?
Besides Lighty's stuff, here's what's pending:
- The Bill: Peter Williams
(Atlantis)
- Magic: The Gathering: Ashiok
(Lore)
- Paimon
(Mermaid)
- Joll and Mandel
(Ravok)
- Dragons
(Sum)
for the DEVA Officials.
So basically someone decided to write Face the Storm, but taken seriously. In that case,
for Uncle Sam.
to Nora, Parasite and the AB Cs. Gonna have to think about Uncle Sam.
Anyway, since it's been a while, I'd like someone to refresh my memory: when a fanfic explicitly continues from a certain point in canon, how characters were like in canon and what they did up to that point are assumed to still be the case unless stated otherwise, right?
Yes to AB Cs.
I have a question, it has been two weeks since the latest Helluva Boss episode was released and Crimson reappears, acting more like a generic villain in that episode. The episode ends with a warehouse falling on him, but I doubt he is dead. He has a few small comedic moments in that episode, but nothing new that would disqualify him. So would we have to wait until there is an episode where Moxxie blows off his head or something?
We have proposed characters like Ramsay in Game of Thrones before the series ended and the uneven release schedule means Helluva Boss might have more uncertain timeline of when it will end compared to a more traditional show.
I don't mind waiting, but I think it would be good to set the standard with something with an uncertain timeline.
Now I
my ABCs
Abstain on Uncle Sam
Writeup for Pyrock and Blizzrock:
- Dueling Dragons & Dueling Dragons: Choose Thy Fate
: Pyrock and Blizzrock are a pair of evil dragons locked in eternal conflict with one another. Once a pair of malevolent warlocks, the two both sought the spellbook of the wizard Merlyn to obtain limitless power and the ability to destroy the other. Both lead simultaneous sieges on Merlyn's castle, including razing the nearby Fairy Forest and tortuously murdering its inhabitants just because it was in their path. Upon reaching the castle, the two warlocks have their demonic armies slaughter the inhabitants without mercy, including devouring the royal family. Upon reaching the spellbook, Pyrock and Blizzrock inadvertently trigger a curse upon it, transforming them into dragons that spitefully duel each other for all time, only ever pausing their conflict to brutally dispose of any knights or adventurers that seek to reclaim the castle or its land.
Edited by SumDumNerd on Sep 24th 2023 at 2:23:46 AM
Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
Uncle Sam, the ABC, Bull, the Parasite, Nora, Drexler, Goyolk.
- Swamp Fever, The Adventures of Petrushka.
The Work
The Adventures of Petrushka is a children's book series by Margarita Fadeyeva and Anatoly Smirnov. Most likely initially written as a Follow the Leader to The Golden Key, or the Adventures of Buratino (the beginning is extremely similar: a lonely old man makes himself a Lovable Rogue puppet for a son), the books get progressively Darker and Edgier and with more intricate worldbuilding (for starters, there is an entire kingdom of puppets). In short, Low Fantasy, only with puppets.The fourth book is the shortest but darkest (literally) of all: Petrushka goes on a new adventure and comes to a human country — just as the malevolent personifications of diseases steal the sun from the sky.
The Character
Swamp Fever is the queen of the swamp kingdom of diseases. She terrorizes the world and in particular the neighboring city, sending her subjects to trick people and especially kids into getting sick: Tonsillitis hands out ice cream to children and persuades them to eat lots of it, Bronchitis teaches children to smoke etc.Soon after Petrushka arrives in the city, Swamp Fever sends an enormous cloud-size swarm of flies carrying viruses towards it. Had it not been for Petrushka who frees the birds in the zoo and sets them at the swarm, the whole city would have been infected.
Then the diseases steal the sun from the sky. Not only does it lead to the obvious problems, but it also provokes a change in the people in the city that the local doctor dubs "the dark sickness": every formerly nice person grows lazy and Fantastically Indifferent while bullies and conmen only become worse; even the doctor, despite identifying the sickness, has it himself, prescribing castor oil for everything.
As a result of all that and the lack of sunlight, ordinary sicknesses thrive, and soon the hospital is overcrowded.
When Petrushka and his human friend Kudryash, along with two benevolent personifications River and Pine Air, go to fight the diseases, Swamp Fever sends Flu and Smallpox against them so that they would fall sick and die in the swamp. (At that point she is unaware that Kudryash is the only human in the group). Flu is caught while trying to infect River and drowns in the swamp as he attempts to flee, but Smallpox would have infected Kudryash had he not been vaccinated.
After that, Swamp Fever tries to freeze them and then to trap them in dirt and insects, but the first time the group is saved by Pine Air and the second by River.
Petrushka comes to Swamp Fever's palace (still thinking he is human, the diseases don't try to stop him). She refuses to return the sun to the sky and, finding out he can't get infected, has him thrown out. She also throws out Smallpox, confiscating her house and forbidding her subjects to have anything to do with her, since Smallpox confesses that she is helpless due to everyone having had the smallpox vaccination.
Wandering around in the diseases' land, Smallpox and Petrushka are robbed, bound and then thrown together with the trash. They are rescued by a mole lady, who tells them that her husband was forced to hide the sun and then got thrown into the dungeon to die there.
Petrushka and Smallpox, masquerading as moles, get the mole out: Smallpox stays in the dungeon in his place where she is implied to die soon afterwards.
The mole digs the sun back up; but it's still weakened and only comes into the sky for a short while each day. Then the local greedy butcher steals the sun for himself and starts to blackmail the city's residents with it.
Swamp Fever seizes the opportunity and sends Tonsillitis to get the sun back, and Tonsillitis threatens the butcher into surrendering the sun. Swamp Fever prepares for a full-scale campaign of diseases against the city.
Pine Air manages to get the diseases' army scattered thanks to his Voice Changeling abilities, but Swamp Fever now tries to burn Petrushka and his friends with the sun. Only thanks to the Heroic Sacrifice of River, who turns into a river and drowns the remaining diseases but is herself evaporated by the sun, does the book not end tragically.
Mitigating Issues?
None. Swamp Fever wants to spread diseases everywhere among people (and her subjects especially frequently target children) but doesn't really care for her own subordinates either, leaving Smallpox in the cold the moment she realizes the old disease is no longer useful.Since it's still a children's book, however, the fact that diseases can lead to death isn't stressed too much, so the only named fatalities are Smallpox and River.
Heinousness Standard?
Much like in the case of Gingema and Tales of the Magic Land, all the other villains of the series, however menacing, crave power while Swamp Fever just craves destruction.Conclusion?
You decide.- Six's past
: The Craftsman is a sadistic, long-limbed man in the service of a little girl known as the Pretender. The Craftsman takes children other servants capture and has them skinned alive to make dolls for the Pretender, doing this to hundreds of kids. When Six is captured, the Craftsman plans to subject her to the same fate, before she escapes and he just takes another kid to skin.
- Over the Garden Wall Beast origin story
by zeldacw
: The Beast is imagined here as a devious trickster of human origin. As a child with a love for playing practical jokes on people, he soon grows bored of the same harmless pranks, and begins intentionally leading lost travelers astray for his amusement, all of whom end up getting killed in the treacherous forest. By the time he reaches adulthood, his trickery has led countless people to their deaths, children included. Asked for guidance through the woods by a woman riding a deer, the man decides that he wants the deer's magnificent antlers for himself. After his usual trick causes the woman and deer to become separated, he beheads the animal and goes home with the intention of leaving the woman to die in the woods. The woman reveals herself to be a fairy who was testing the man. For failing the test, he is punished by being turned into a horrifying beast and his soul is transferred to a lantern. Though the lantern is only meant to last for a short time, the Beast uses his cunning to prolong his life indefinitely by tricking others into keeping the light burning.
- Black and Blue (2019): Terry Malone and his subordinate, Smitty, are a pair of corrupt narcotics officers who secretly run a city-wide outfit of abusive law enforcement agents. Through their network, they head up countless extortions and fabrications of evidence, as well as covering up Police Brutality. When their corruption is close to being exposed, Malone and Smitty begin tying up loose ends, killing a group of young, unarmed drug dealers so as to frame a rival gang for the slaying and initiate a street war that will wipe out connections to them. When rookie officer West accidentally catches the triple execution on film, Malone frames her as the murderer and sics cops and gangsters on her to kill her. Malone leads a police squad to ambush and kill Darius's entire gang when Darius learns the truth of the murders, while Smitty kills one of their allies out of petty spite. Smitty then guns another innocent cop down just for standing in his way.
- Inheritance: "Morgan Warner" presents himself as a sympathetic victim, but he is revealed to be a "pure evil" monster named Carson Thomas. A former business associate of Archer Monroe, Carson was a Serial Rapist who considered drugging women into the bedroom to be his "ace in the hole". When he raped Archer's wife Catherine, Carson was attacked by Archer with intent to kill him; Carson took advantage of their conflict, wounding a young man in a vehicular accident by killing the man so he could blackmail Archer with the death. Though locked in a bunker for 30 years by Archer as punishment for his crimes, Carson manages to poison Archer and manipulate Archer's daughter Lauren into sympathizing with and releasing him. Carson promptly murders several innocent people, forces Catherine to recount her rape to Lauren, and reveals his plan to leave Lauren and Catherine to slowly die in the bunker while he ruins the lives of the rest of their family. Carson then uses his last words to spitefully hurt Lauren by claiming she is his daughter from his rape of Catherine.
- Oldboy (2013): Arthur Pryce is Adrian's father, whose actions kickstart the series despite being long dead. Sexually abusing his two children for years, while manipulating them into thinking it was love, Arthur moved his family overseas after his actions were exposed, and proceeded to slaughter his family and himself to escape his crimes. Arthur's actions drove Adrian, who survived the attack, to take revenge on Joe Doucett for causing his father's death.
- Open Windows: Simon Chord is a psychopathic cyberterrorist who uses his abilities to trick Nick Chambers into working with him to spy on Jill Goddard, as well as electrocuting and tying up her agent, Tony. When Nick starts questioning him, Chord threatens Nick by showing video footage of Nick's crimes, saying he could easily show this to the police if Nick tries to pull the plug. Chord directs Nick to near Jill's house, and has Nick send a hack that will allow him to communicate with Jill through her laptop. From there, Chord has the unconscious Tony as a hostage, and zaps him with increasing electric shocks to force Jill to strip, using Nick to relay his commands. Chord next storms in and kidnaps Jill, before orchestrating the death of several SWAT teams by luring them to Jill's house and then blowing it up with a bomb he planted in Jill's bedroom. He then leads a car chase that endangers multiple civilians and cops. It is then revealed that despite others thinking Chord was a notorious master hacker named Nevada, Chord actually tricked and killed Nevada to get his servers. Chord then kills Nick, and uses Jill's stripping webcam to trick millions of people into watching a livestream of her death.
- Rurouni Kenshin Part I: Origins:
- Takeda Kanryu presents as an affable and successful businessman while hiding his true nature as a brutal drug lord. To keep himself from facing the law, Kanryu has informants murdered and left in the open as a warning to others, and even has his right-hand hitman, Jin-e Udo, massacre a police department. Forcing the goodhearted Megumi Takani to make a new kind of heroin for him, Takada kidnaps and tests it on the drug users of the city, watching with glee as they degrade. Discovering Megumi is hiding at the Kamiya Dojo, Kanryu poisons the surrounding area, willing to kill countless to force Megumi's hand.
- Jin-e Udo is Kanryu's top killer who serves his boss for the joy of committing murder. Having piled and proudly stood atop a literal mountain of corpses at the Battle of Toba Fushimi, Jin-e goes on to take up hero Himura Kenshin's old blade and happily butchers people in the reformed Kenshin's name for a decade. Delighted to murder all the officers in the station Megumi flees to, even slowly impaling one to savour his death, Jin-e later kidnaps another of Kenshin's allies in the finale, maiming her and even paralyzing her lungs to spite Kenshin before their fight.
- 007 Legends:
- Auric Goldfinger is a gold-loving businessman out to enrich himself by any means necessary. When James Bond begins investigating him, Goldfinger murders his assistant and paints her corpse gold as a warning. Goldfinger plans to fatally gas Fort Knox and the surrounding area, then detonate a nuclear bomb to plunge the US into economic crisis and raise the value of his own gold. When Bond is captured, Goldfinger tries to cut him in half with a laser and later handcuffs him to the bomb so he'll be vaporized when it detonates.
- Ernst Stavro Blofeld is the mysterious leader of SPECTRE, an international criminal organization specializing in terrorism. Blofeld's latest scheme is to threaten to release a deadly virus into several major cities around the world unless he's paid by the UN. Blofeld also kidnaps Bond's love Tracy di Vicenzo, bragging that she won't remember Bond's name after he's done with her and plans to blow up his own base when Bond's allies attack it. After his seeming death, Blofeld returns to make an attempt on Bond's life, killing Tracy in the process.
- Gustav Graves here lacks the redeeming qualities of his original version and is turned into a sociopathic businessman with a god complex. When Bond and his ally Jinx investigate him, Graves captures both of them, torturing Bond with electricity and trying to force him to watch as Jinx is cut in half with a laser. Graves reveals that he plans to use his laser satellite Icarus to destroy the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea so the North can conquer the South. When Bond and Jinx escape, Graves recklessly fires Icarus at him, endangering his own men and killing his second-in-command Zao. When Bond confronts him again, Graves tries to electrocute him to death.
- Hugo Drax is a vile businessman who sees most of humanity as a pestilence to be eradicated. Drax has developed a deadly nerve agent which he intends to release onto the Earth to wipe out all human life while he and his personally chosen "super race" wait in the Moonraker space station to repopulate the Earth. When Bond and CIA Agent Holly Goodhead try to stop him, Drax locks them in the blast chamber beneath his rocket to be incinerated. Later, Drax attempts to have his henchman Jaws kill them, all while planning to eliminate Jaws for not fitting into his perfect world.
- Geats: Suel is the Executive Producer and true mastermind behind the Desire Grand Prix. Discovering Mitsume's miracle powers, Suel forcibly petrifies her into a "Goddess of Creation" in order to harness her powers for the DGP. Intervening to move the DGP into another era and retool it into a Sadist Show, Suel instigates the Grand End to wipe the Earth to a blank state. When Mitsume resists his order to erase her own son, Suel has her disposed of and attempts to force Tsumuri to inherit her powers, killing his Game Producer Niramu when the latter protests. Using Zitt as his proxy, Suel manipulates Keiwa Sakurai into bringing the Apocalypse Game, in which gangs of violent former DGP participants spread chaos by rioting and murdering. After reabsorbing Zitt, Suel holds the "Final Grand Prix", where participants are forced to fight each other to the death, with those who refuse to fight being executed. When Ace Ukiyo and Tsumuri interfere, Suel has Black Tsumuri possess Tsumuri and force her to shoot Ace.
- Wax and Wayne: Telsin Ladrian/Sequence is a ruthless member of the Set, and is the very worst of their ranks, far from the sister Wax once knew. Overseeing the torture and experimentation of Malwish, Telsin fools her brother into thinking that she was an unwilling participant, even killing one of her own men to maintain the guise. Telsin ultimately uses this opportunity to shoot her own brother when he's off guard. After the search for the Bands of Mourning turns against her, Telsin promptly flees and leaves all her subordinates behind. Resurfacing six years later, Telsin masterminds a plot to destroy the entire city of Elendel and its millions of inhabitants, claiming that it is necessary to stop an invasion from the god Autonomy, when in reality, her plan will be nearly as destructive as the invasion, and is actually intended to impress Autonomy enough so that they will make Telsin a god. When it appears her plan will succeed, Telsin reveals to Wax that she has always hated him since childhood, and gloats about her success over him, revealing her to be nothing more than a petty and callous individual who only cares about proving herself superior to her brother, indifferent to the countless lives that her actions take.
- TheManBeHisLa's "Entropy of Vengeance
" (Minecraft song): The First Zombie is one of the leaders of a cult that is seeking to bring forth "the hour of the end". Aiming to use the multiverse as his dinner plate, the Zombie constructs the Wither, using the souls of vengeful mobs who have a bone to pick with the player that left them behind. Seeking to complete the ritual, the Zombie manipulates the Player's First Pet, the Wolf, into abandoning all care he had them using his smooth charms and charisma. Successfully convincing the Wolf to sign his soul away, the two along with the Wither Skeleton fuse with the thousands of abandoned souls to become the Wither, invading their player's new home and slaughtering numerous innocents before killing their old master, all while the Zombie takes joy in how far the Wolf has fallen. Lacking the Wolf's sympathetic motive and the Wither Skeleton's enigmatic personality, the Zombie proves himself to be the worst that the cult has to offer.
- Dueling Dragons & "Choose Thy Fate
": Pyrock and Blizzrock are a pair of evil dragons locked in eternal conflict with one another. Once a pair of malevolent warlocks, the two both sought the spellbook of the wizard Merlyn to obtain limitless power and the ability to destroy the other. Both led simultaneous sieges on Merlyn's castle, including razing the nearby Fairy Forest and torturously murdering its inhabitants just because the Forest was in their path. Upon reaching the castle, the two warlocks have their demonic armies slaughter the inhabitants without mercy, including devouring the royal family. Upon reaching the spellbook, Pyrock and Blizzrock inadvertently trigger a curse upon it, transforming them into dragons that spitefully duel each other for all time, only ever pausing their conflict to brutally dispose of any knights or adventurers that seek to reclaim the castle or its land.
- L.A. Confidential (unaired 2019 TV pilot script
): Captain Dudley Smith is a charming yet utterly ruthless corrupt policeman. With a history of murder to consolidate the control of the Los Angeles underworld beneath him, Dudley uses the killing of a police officer to galvanize his men into killing the suspect without questioning, while Dudley steals the criminal's heroin to sell. Capturing the crook's partner, Dudley has the man beaten before agonizingly killing him with a knife to the artery, forcing information out of his victim and preparing to hunt for the missing drugs.
- Killer Instinct (2013): Gargos is a cruel warlord who regularly destroys planets for power, having previously conquered his home world, the Astral Realm, by slaughtering his own people. Sealed in the Astral Realm after attempting to destroy Earth, something he attempted many times before, Gargos impersonates a deity worshiped by a group of monks so he can manipulate them into unleashing him, corrupting the well-meaning Jago into Shadow Jago in the process. Eventually released by Kan-Ra in a bid for power, Gargos uses this to have his forces invade Earth, ultimately planning on consuming Earth to satisfy his lust for power.
- Little Red Memories: The Parallel is a cruel living dimension that drags those at the worst point in their lives into itself to feed on them and their despair while putting them through deadly games to humor itself. Trapping heroine Bonnie Roux after she remembers her grandmother, the Parallel puts her through a series of games; in one of them, Bonnie is forced to win a quiz which blames her for all the sorrow in her family.
- The "Farmworld" incarnation of the Lich is an alternate version that possessed the body of an alternate version of Jake the Dog. The Lich manipulates his world's version of a grief-stricken Finn to gain access to The Multiverse, planning to slaughter the denizens of every reality, over and over again, until he has made a "mountain of broken bodies" from his victims. Escaping into the world of Ooo, the Lich mentally tortures Sweet P for nights on end to try and turn him back into the original Lich. After his final death, the Lich resurfaces in Distant Lands, where Farmworld Lich manipulates New Death into killing his father and uses him as a puppet to annihilate the cycle of reincarnation, stopping new life from blooming.
- The New Adventures of Speed Racer: Caligula P. Barnum is the richest man in, and de facto ruler of, the world in the late 21st century. Barnum rules with an iron fist the only remaining city on Earth after a poison apocalypse, exploiting its people for profit and exiling anybody who disagrees with him into the toxic wastes. People exiled into the toxic wastes who—if they survive—are turned into monstrous mutants and used in slave labor for Barnum's empire or participants in deadly battle races for the amusement of the non-mutated population. After the popularity of the battle races decreases, Barnum uses a time machine to kidnap Speed Racer and force him to compete. Paranoid that Speed and his friend will try to stop the creation of mutants, Barnum sends his minion Des to assist the creator of the mutagens, Largo Sludge, in his work. Barnum ultimately sends his mutants to eliminate Speed and Racer X, having them attack Fontana Centre city and kidnap Speed's friends and family to become slaves, while supplying Largo with a new factory for his mutagens, which Barnum rigs to explode in order to create more toxic waste.
I'm unsure if Crimson counts, but I'm fine hearing out his proposal either way.
Although, now that I remember it, I think this episode might have a new point against him, that being Striker mentioning himself having a body count in the hundreds. Admittedly, it's offscreen and I'm not sure if his constant attempts and failures to kill people count as enough of an onscreen pattern, but if they do, I think that'd disqualify Crimson, given Striker is a lone wolf while Crim's a mob boss.
Yeah, fair, Striker was trying to convince Crim to hire him, and Crimson's does have a pretty cruel way of disposing with people now that I think about it. Hell, his known killcount is close to a hundred to.
Edited by Purgatoryisof2 on Sep 24th 2023 at 10:12:37 AM
I think I would give weight to the fact you see far more evidence of Crimson's crimes on-screen than you do with Striker. Striker claims to have killed hundreds of people, but he could be lying to bolster his reputation, we don't have enough evidence to say Striker is more heinous than Crimson. I think Crimson's psychological cruelty towards his son gives him an edge on Striker, IMO.
Is Swamp Fever Made of Evil?
- Eco Fighters: Kernal Goyolk is the narcissistic founder of Goyolk K.K. and earned his epithet "Shadow of the Milky Way" thanks to his reputation of strip-mining planets until they become barren worlds called "Dread Spheres". Focusing his sights on Planet Elwood as his next target, Goyolk instigates varying sorts of environmental damage, not only ranging from deforestation to pollution, but also using acid rain to cause countless deaths in an entire city.
Edited by ACW on Sep 24th 2023 at 11:00:51 AM
No, she isn't. Diseases can make choices, as evidenced by Smallpox who takes Mole's place in the dungeon. At first she starts mostly helping the heroes to get back at Swamp Fever, but there was a choice of Petrushka or her staying instead of Mole, and Petrushka was willing to stay. And even earlier, it was made clear that Smallpox was feeling sorry for the Moles' family as themselves and not just out of revenge at the queen.
There is also evidence of the diseases being friendly towards their own kind (something that Swamp Fever isn't if you aren't useful): when the butcher is caught in their land and pretends to be a new disease, Tonsillitis is very nice and welcoming with him and invites him to dinner (where his cover is blown as he tries to wash his hands).
Edited by AutumnLeaves on Sep 24th 2023 at 6:38:44 PM

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