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Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here

Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.

Here is how the process works:

    Process 

  1. If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.

  2. After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".

  3. Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!

Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:

    Ground Rules 

  1. To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!

  2. No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
    1. Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
    2. Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
    3. Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.

  3. Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").

  4. If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.

  5. If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!

  6. Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.

  7. Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.

  8. If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
    1. For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
    2. If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.

  9. Please keep all discussions "in-house".
    1. What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
    2. Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
    3. Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.

If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:

    Effortpost Template 

What is the work?

This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.

Who is the candidate and what have they done?

This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.

Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?

This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.

Are they bad enough?

A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:

  • Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
  • The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
  • The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)

Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.

Final verdict?

This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.

And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!


Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM

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#26076: Sep 17th 2023 at 7:18:30 AM

It was so he could trick the police Nick and the Triops because Chord wasn't actually still in Jill's house. He used video with time delay to toy with the SWAT teams. He killed them so they wouldn't go after him again.

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#26077: Sep 17th 2023 at 7:32:22 AM

  • The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers & The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King:
    • The Dark Lord Sauron forged the One Ring in an attempt to conquer Middle-earth, powering it with his own maliciousness. Though slain, Sauron spent many years commanding his Orc armies to slay all in their path in his search for the Ring. With many cities fallen and many lives taken in his quest for power, Sauron’s cruelty belies a paranoid warlord who seeks domination over everything.
    • Saruman, having aligned with Sauron in his vain pursuit of power, commands Sauron’s forces, the Uruk-hai, to acquire the Ring from the Fellowship. The Uruk-hais’ attacks leading to the death of Boromir, Saruman has his men attack Rohan and Helm’s Deep, even giving them the order to "Leave none alive!"

"No running in the halls!"
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#26078: Sep 17th 2023 at 10:34:49 AM

  • Ninjago
  • The Walking Dead
  • Wonder Woman
  • The Adventures of Prince Achmed: The evil Magician, also known as the Sorcerer, is a lecherous, scheming manipulator who seeks to forcibly marry and bed Princess Dinarsade. After a failed attempt to fool the Caliph into giving the Magician Dinarsade as a prize, the Magician punishes him by having the Caliph's son Achmed flown to parts unknown by a magic horse. To further spite Achmed, the Magician kidnaps his love Pari Banu and sells her as a Sex Slave, before trapping Achmed underneath a boulder in the middle of a volcano to slowly die, mocking Achmed that he's going to take Dinarsade next. The Magician later fools Aladdin into traversing a dangerous pit to retrieve the magic lamp, and seals Aladdin in the pit to die when he fails. Even when Aladdin escapes with the lamp, the Magician steals it and kidnaps Dinarsade, framing Aladdin so he will be executed for it.
  • Voodoo: This Traitor, always Zoe Ingstrom unless not in play, is a Voodoo Doll artist who creates dolls in the likeness of the people they befriend. The Traitor then lures them to the mansion and kills them through their voodoo dolls, keeping a scrapbook filled with the dolls of her previous victims. When the haunt begins, the Traitor has the voodoo dolls of the other explorers hidden around the mansion, several in areas that will slowly torture the explorers the dolls are based off of such as slowly being burned alive, or suffocating more and more with every passing turn. If the Traitor wins, they cross off the dolls of their newest victims before getting bored and deciding to go and find new "friends".
  • Dr. Friedrich Steiner, a former Nazi scientist responsible for the creation of Nova 6, turns out to be just as monstrous and vile as his allies. Having defected to the Soviets, Steiner helps Dragovich test Nova 6 on Dimitri Petrenko and his team, painfully killing them. Years later, while working for Dragovich, Steiner conducts experiments and psychological torture on prisoners in Vorkuta in order to create sleeper agents, while developing and supplying Nova 6 for Dragovich's plan. Steiner is fully aware that Dragovich plans to destroy the US with Nova 6, but he doesn't care, willing to calmly let millions of innocents die for his own safety. A opportunistic, slippery traitor, Steiner killed his own German bodyguards, allowing Kravchenko to execute the remaining ones, and tries to defect to the CIA when Dragovich tries to kill him.
  • Arnim Zola was a Nazi biochemist in his human years. To escape mortality, Zola used his cybernetic brilliance to digitize himself and survive inside robotic shells to continue his experiments. One of his worst acts was to create the monstrous Hate-Monger, and afterwards he continued to complete multiple experiments for the Red Skull, his usual employer and master. When he and Captain America were lost in Dimension Z, Zola becomes its dictator and its god. He inflicts horrible experiments among the people, overwriting their minds to be loyal to him alone, and turns others into horrible mutants that he sics on those who don't accept his rule. Zola tried to forcibly impregnate his wife Mary to give him heirs, and when she refused, Zola engineered a car crash that left her a paralyzed victim for him to artificially inseminate and use to give him children that he sees as nothing but pawns, his affection to them fake to manipulate them, and he is more than willing to kill them if they do not conform to his wishes. In one notable outing, Zola turned many orphan children into mutated beasts that had to be put down. Zola, to end his long war with Captain America, created a way to get back to Earth, with a bomb that would kill countless innocents before Zola sent his mutants, with the intent of overwriting the minds of the people of Earth and mutating others, a process that would kill billions.
  • Black Tape, written by Dan Panosian: Lucas Fortune is a seemingly benevolent music agent, but is actually the wicked leader of a satanic cult bent on mass suffering. Lucas kidnapped and horribly tortured half a dozen women to death in ritual sacrifices to Lucifer and his "son" Jack King. Trying to turn Jack's widow Cindy into the final sacrifice, Lucas reveals his desire to bring Hell on Earth and stand above the rest of humanity at Lucifer's right hand. Even when the demonic Jack reveals that he himself is disgusted with Lucas's villainy, Lucas still tries to weasel his way into seeing his plan to fruition without Jack.
  • Liu Yu of the Liu Song Dynasty stands out as a sadistic monster in spite of his young age and short reign. Delighting in Hunting the Most Dangerous Game with his spear and bow, Liu Yu had civilians captured to be his live human targets to be run through with his spear, also riddling unsuspecting farmers with arrows. Selecting a disapproving servant as his one of his targets, Liu Yu deliberately gives him a painful flesh wound when the servant pleads for a quick death. Liu Yu also regularly roamed the streets with his thugs, killing any man, woman, and animal on sight, and attempted to poison his mother when she attempted to rein in his impulses.
  • Prince of Persia: The Graphic Novel: The Governor of Marv is the corrupt leader of the city of Marv in 13th Century AD, who does everything he can to stay in power. Hearing about the prophecy of a child who will one day overthrow him, the Governor ordered his guards to collect every infant born on that fateful day, after which he had them all killed and buried in a pit. When the rebellion started to rise up against him, the Governor orders them all captured and mutilated in public, solely to instill fear in the populace.
  • "Duel of the Double Crossers!" & "Death Race To Oblivion!": Mongul is the sadistic ruler of War World with a love for Blood Sports. Mongul has Jonah Hex unwittingly under his employ to capture fighters from across the galaxy, where Mongul forces them to compete in his personal Gladiator Games against his sister, Mongal. The captured gladiators must fight to the death against Mongal's champion, Steppenwolf, with hundreds of gladiators having been slain by the present day. Seeking revenge on Batman for releasing his prisoners, Mongul travels to Earth for revenge, where he sets up a Death Race and forces various heroes and villains to compete, or face their hometown being destroyed. Mongul also sets up the stakes, so that the winner of the Death Race will be made ruler of the Earth while all the losers are executed, but if Mongul's champion, Steppenwolf, wins, the Earth will instead be destroyed. After Batman wins, Mongul gleefully reveals he never intended to keep his word and was going to destroy the Earth anyway.
  • Emesis Blue: Jules Archibald, the Governor of New Mexico and the head of the Jules Archibald Foundation, is responsible for most of the suffering in this story. Prolonging the Gravel War for as long as possible just for the sake of profit, Jules experimented on countless death row inmates in order to perfect his Respawn Machine, leading to only 9 mercenaries surviving, with the possibly side effects of the machine causing disgusting malformations to the subjects which drives them insane and, at best, traps them in an long agonizing state until they can respawn again, with the effects so bad the tenth class commits suicide. After perfecting the respawn machine, Jules sells the machines to both of the Mann Brothers without their knowledge while using the hundreds of thousands of corpses to donate organs to the brothers to keep them alive for as long as possible, while hiring Jacques Morneau to cover up his crimes and kill anyone he needs.
  • Little Nightmares fanfics Six's Shield (link) & Mono's Past (link) :
    • The Eye is an eldritch entity responsible for the setting's Crapsack World. The Eye is a sadistic and controlling being who transforms countless humans across the world into monsters while having human cults sacrifice people, including the cultists' own children, to it. Souls of humans who worship it or are killed by its servants are used as a fuel for the Eye to expand its influence, before being forever subjected to their worst fears for its amusement. When Six's mother Ellie begs the Eye to spare her daughter from being sacrificed, it makes her part of the Signal Tower, which it uses to reduce inhabitants of the Pale City into its mindless servants. Desiring to make Mono the new host of the Signal Tower, the Eye has the Thin Man kidnap Six and subjects her to illusions of Mono breaking her music box for aeons to turn her against him. After Six helps it capture Mono, the Eye lets her go so her hunger would lead her into the Maw, planning to make her the Maw's next host.
    • The Hunter is a Serial Killer living in the woods outside of the Pale City. The Hunter uses his traps to kill dozens of people, be they children or adults, before either leaving their bodies to rot or using taxidermy to turn them into trophies. The Hunter captures Six and, after preventing her escape, throws her into a cage in the basement. The Hunter spends weeks keeping her prisoner, only occasionally throwing her rotten food and using his gun to make it clear he can kill her at any time. When Six escapes again with Mono's help, the Hunter attempts to kill them both.
    • Into the Maw: The Lady is the cruel current host of the Maw, a giant underwater structure the Eye created to get rid of the bodies whose souls it absorbed by having them fed to the Maw's guests. The Lady also runs a side business of having countless kids kidnapped and held prisoner in the Maw before butchering them for the guests. The Lady is also horribly abusive to her daughter Raine, treating her as part of her collection of porcelain dolls and punishing her for disobedience by having her locked into a closet until she passes out from hunger. When the Ferryman bring her Six, the Lady, thinking she is a runaway Raine, punishes her the same way she did her daughter, before sending the girl to await butchering with the other children after realising Six isn't her daughter, angry at being "tricked" by her.
  • The Big Easy: Detective Sergeant Andre DeSoto is a crooked police officer working with his partner and superior to flood the streets with heroin. To cover themselves, DeSoto commits murders of gangsters and criminals, framing differing gangs to provoke a Mob War, allowing them to dominate the heroin trade. When his boss, Captain Jack Kellom, decides to back away from criminality, DeSoto callously shoots him and leaves him to painfully bleed out.
  • La California (2022): Gualtiero Malagoli is the sleazy owner of a polluting ceramics factory, which he inherited after killing his wife and father-in-law by tampering with their car. Lusting after the twins Ester and Alice ever since the latter were teenagers, Malagoli preys on Ester's emotional fragility after she overhears him letting slip his crimes—which include trafficking cocaine—promising her a huge sum of money to leave the titular town in exchange for a night with him. When Alice shows up at the intended place pretending to be Ester and tries to take the money, Malagoli forces himself on her, revealing to have done so to other women before as this is his only way to get aroused. When his henchman tries to defuse the situation, Malagoli shoots him before strangling Alice and trying to set up the death as a suicide. Willing to do anything to satisfy his lust and greed, Malagoli stands out as a totally corrupt individual that darkens the atmosphere of the while film.
  • First film: Charles Davis, better known as the Scorpio Killer, is a trigger-happy madman who kills for money, but mainly for his own amusement. After sniping a swimming woman, Scorpio demands $100,000 in payment or he will continue his killing spree. After he is foiled in another killing attempt, Scorpio murders a young boy and then tries to kill a priest, killing a police officer in the process. Scorpio then kidnaps a 14-year-old girl who he rapes and tortures before he buries her alive, demanding a ransom in exchange for her life. When "Dirty" Harry Callahan arrives with the money, Scorpio strikes him down and reveals that he was going to let the girl die anyways before trying to murder Harry out of sheer cruelty, and shooting his partner Chico Gonzalez when he rescues Harry. The police find the girl, but are unable to save her life. Scorpio's final gambit is to hold a school bus full of children hostage, planning to kill them all. Upon being foiled by Callahan, Scorpio threatens to shoot a young boy fishing.
  • Wishmaster & Evil Never Dies: The Djinn, pseudonym Nathaniel Demerest, is one of the cruelest of his race. Granting wishes and stretching them to their worst outcome based on the word choice of the wisher, intending to grant three wishes from his "waker" to bringing eternal damnation and suffering to the human race. Millennia ago, the Djinn granted a sultan's wish to be shown wonders by transforming his people into hideous monsters. In present-day Los Angeles, the Djinn afflicts a pharmacist with cancer; turns a woman into a mannequin; blows up an entire plane to kill one woman; and keeps the souls of the wishers in his hellish realm. The Djinn causes an art gallery to come to life and slaughter a party, attempting to coerce the lead heroine into making her final wish by threatening her sister's life. In the second movie, the Djinn collects souls in prison, telekinetically pushes a man through the bars of a holding cell, and forces prisoners to beat each other to death. When he escapes, the Djinn kills his partner, crucifies a priest, and unleashes hell upon a casino.
  • The Hellbound Heart: Frank Cotton is a hideous, hedonistic lech whose pursuit of higher pleasures led him to a tortured Sealed Room in the Middle of Nowhere at the hands of the Cenobites. From a small trace of his seed left in the human world, Frank calls out to and manipulates his abused girlfriend Julia—Frank's sister-in-law—into luring men to her apartment so she can butcher them and use their flesh to reconstitute Frank's own body; the final one of these victims is Frank's own brother Rory. Julia means nothing to him; after she sacrifices all of her morals just to bring him Back from the Dead, Frank rewards her by feeding upon her while she begs for help. Upon getting a human body back, Frank celebrates the recapture of his physicality by attempting to rape the novel's heroine Kirsty: "Come to Daddy."
  • Issues #302 & 303: Maktu, the bloodthirsty leader of the Iron Knights, took over the benevolent planet of the Greens and reduced it to a lifeless hellhole through a systematic genocide. Maktu orders the construction of a "City of Death" from which he rules the desert he's made of the Greens' world; every building in the city is made from the bones of the Greens he's slaughtered. Maktu only spares the Greens' noble princess, the fair Nalee, because her defiance amuses him, planning to forcibly marry her while having her watch as he continues to mill the bones of her people by the millions.
  • "The Shadow Of The Scaffold": Ethel Fernsley, despite seemingly a harmless, grieving old woman, is truthfully a sociopathic attention seeker with one of the highest body counts of any killer. Faking being wheelchair bound solely to ensure she was constantly the centre of attention and could control others, for years Ethel murdered any of her farm's seasonal labourers who saw too much or threatened her facade—suffocating them by blocking the flue tube in the barn where they sleep and then feeding their bodies to her pigs. Working her daughter-in-law Violet like a slave, Ethel encouraged her vicious son Ivan's abuse of Violet—including him beating her into a miscarriage—and murdered the kind-hearted Piotr for trying to rescue Violet. Following her son Wilfred, who had discovered her method of murder, Ethel ran him over with the farm truck, crushing him to death. Finally caught, Ethel trapped Father Brown and Sid inside the barn to be devoured alive by the pigs.
  • The First Avenger & The Winter Soldier: Dr. Arnim Zola debuts as a cowardly scientist who joins the Nazis so they'll fund his work. Gleefully making war machines as part of HYDRA, Zola delights in the disastrous results of Dr. Abraham Erskine's Super-Soldier experiment in anticipation of Johann Schmidt turning to his scientific expertise instead, all while mocking his rival over the prospect of his family being executed for his failure. When Schmidt lets Zola in on his plot to Take Over the World, the scientist enslaves and experiments on prisoners of war to build the super weapons necessary for the scheme before betraying his boss to the Allies when it's made clear failure is inevitable. Having become a true believer in totalitarianism, Zola joins the newly-formed S.H.I.E.L.D. and goes about reforming HYDRA within its ranks, all the while masterminding global conflicts to make the people desperate for security. To do this, he abducts and brainwashes people into being "Winter Soldier" assassins, keeping them in stasis and torturously memory wiping them between missions. All of this culminates in a plot to launch Project Insight, which will trap the world in an eternal surveillance state and give HYDRA the ability to slaughter any dissidents, with it being explicitly stated that this will lead to tens of millions of deaths.
  • Captain America: The First Avenger: Johann Schmidt, aka the Red Skull, is a profound narcissist who believes himself a god no longer bound by humanity's rules. The head of HYDRA, a Nazi military organization, Schmidt—as revealed in the tie-in comic First Vengeance—orchestrated the Night of Long Knives to butcher his political opposition before turning the group into his own personal cult. Schmidt is introduced killing the guardian of the Tesseract and ordering the entire village where it was hidden wiped out, before betraying the Nazi party in order to pursue his own goals and murdering three officers sent to check on his research. Schmidt uses the Tesseract to make fantastic new weapons for HYDRA, and has POWs torturously experimented on in order to replicate Dr. Abraham Erskine's Super Serum—which Schmidt originally forced Erskine to create by threatening his family, never informing him that they had already died in a concentration camp. Despite their fanatical devotion to Schmidt, he continually shows no concern for the welfare of his men, having them chomp cyanide pills when captured, executing one merely for surviving an attack, and activating the self-destruct sequence at another HYDRA base when Allied forces overrun it, not caring that hundreds of his troops will be killed in the blast. Schmidt's ultimate plan is to use his new weapons to wipe out half the planet, bombing nearly every major city—including his own capital—just so he can rule over what's left.
  • CG5's Don't Hug Me I'm Scared song "Father's Day": Roy Gribbleston, serving as the narrator of the song, is exempt of the morally enigmatic traits that his original counterpart possesses. A spiteful egotist looking to punish his son Yellow Guy for an undisclosed act, Roy places Yellow Guy into a torturous neverending hell disguised as a children's TV show. Roy, while putting on a benevolent disposition, forces Yellow Guy along with his friends into playing a part in his game by making him join a cult; tormenting him with traumatizing imagery that leaves him shaken; and even making him eat one of his own friends when they try to escape. Ultimately, upon his former collaborator, Red Guy, finding out of his actions, Roy lashes out at him, stating that he ruined everything while trying to stop him from pulling the plug on his show, wanting the torture of Yellow Guy and his friends to never end.
  • Kyle Allen Music's Among Us songs: The Red Impostor is a vicious Spree Killer who aims to accumulate as high a body count as possible. Introduced having massacred almost everyone on the Skeld, Red kills White—the last crewmate left—just as they send a message to Mira HQ to warn them of the imminent threat. Red then infiltrates Mira HQ to resume its slaughter, culminating in it killing Black by tossing them into the reactor core, causing the entire place to explode, likely killing the two children who were left alive in the process. Landing on the Airship thanks to the explosion, Red then frames an Indigo crewmate when they catch onto their ruse, and when said crewmate is ejected, Red quickly finishes off the remaining four crewmates before stowing away on a shuttle to Polus. Its killing spree is cut short when Green exposes it and presumably kills it by pushing it into lava, but the Blue Impostor comes in and frees it so that it can continue where it left off. The now vengeful imposter proceeds to team up with its savior, killing off the rest of Polus before cornering Green, and punching them into the lava as one final act of vengeance.
  • Sers "Hard" Hugh Hammer and Ulf (the) White, aka "The Betrayers", are dragon tamers descending from Targaryen bastards recruited by Queen Rhaenyra I Targaryen. Defecting to her rival-brother King Aegon II's side, Hugh and Ulf attack Tumbleton, scorching the town with their dragons and killing thousands in the burning and many more drowning in the river as they try to flee. The Betrayers participate in the sack of Tumbleton, during which wealthy men are tortured to death, babies are impaled on spears, and even little girls and old women are raped. Ulf personally makes a point of raping three maidens per night, feeding those who fail to satisfy him to his dragon. While Ulf demands Highgarden for his services, Hugh plans to depose the Targaryens and take the throne himself with his dragon, nailing horseshoes to the head of one man who angrily knocks off Hugh's self-made crown.
  • The Two Towers & The Return of the King:
    • The Dark Lord Sauron forged the One Ring in an attempt to conquer Middle-earth, powering it with his own maliciousness. Though slain, Sauron spent many years commanding his Orc armies to slay all in their path in his search for the Ring. With many cities fallen and many lives taken in his quest for power, Sauron's cruelty belies a paranoid warlord who seeks domination over everything.
    • Saruman, having aligned with Sauron in his vain pursuit of power, commands Sauron's forces, the Uruk-hai, to acquire the Ring from the Fellowship. When the Uruk-hai attacks lead to the death of Boromir, Saruman has his men attack Rohan and Helm's Deep, even giving them the order to "Leave none alive!"
  • Blasphemous duology:
    • First game:
      • The High Wills are the deity of Cvstodia's religion and the source of the country's suffering. Seeking to become eternal and all-powerful, the Wills exploit Cvstodia's Martyrdom Culture by creating the Grievous Miracle, a curse that results in immense and disproportionate suffering upon those it "blesses" and twists most of Cvstodia's people into wretched abominations. When one of their creations attempt to rebel and leak the truth of the miracle, the Wills have his eyes removed and then imprison him. Using His Holiness Escribar, as the leader of Cvstodia's brutal theocracy, the Wills have him slaughter the Brotherhood of the Silent Sorrow down to the last member for some unelaborated heresy, including protagonist the Penitent One. In Ending A, where the Penitent One sacrifices himself to save Cvstodia from the miracle, the Wills have a mind-controlled Crisanta nullify the sacrifice to start the cycle anew, uncaring about the suffering they have to cause to remain godlike and immortal.
      • His Holiness Escribar, the "Last Son of the Miracle", is the great enforcer for the High Wills who controls the nightmarish theocracy of Cvstodia. Causing the Age of the Turned Throne by callously abandoning his congregation to misery, Escribar later gave himself to the Miracle in horrific catastrophes, devouring countless beings in the ash of his throne and recreating them as the Punished. Keeping control via the culture of torture, martyrdom, and keeping the High Wills supplied with suffering, Escribar had the Brotherhood of Silent Sorrow eradicated, which set the Penitent One upon his quest to slay the Pontiff.
    • Blasphemous II:
      • Eviterno, First of the Penitents, is perhaps the first ever follower of the Grievous Miracle. With his Penance of eternal waiting, Eviterno seeks a chance to revive the High Wills and unleash the Grievous Miracle back upon Cvstodia. As the leader of the Archconfraternity, Eviterno slaughters anyone opposed to him, including defeating the Penitent Cristana and provoking her suicide to reawaken the Penitent One before Eviterno can revive the worst age of Cvstodia.
      • Orospina, Lady Embroiderer, is the most sadistic of the Archconfraternity leaders. A vicious Penitent who delights in torture, Orospina lures individuals to her lair and proceeds to torment and murder them with her needle-like blade, keeping them alive until all that remains is a corpse wrapped like in a cocoon, which positively litter her domain.
  • Def Jam: Fight for NY & The Takeover prequel: The heartless Crow is the chief rival of the more honorable D-Mob, and his former right hand who assisted in fostering gang wars and murders to help D-Mob's role in taking over New York. Murdering the hero's mentor O.G., Crow later broke from D-Mob to start his own syndicate and returns to force D-Mob's protégé to betray his mentor and help Crow take over New York by holding Hero's girlfriend hostage—only to order her burned alive after. When Crow attempts to kill all the fights and sends his own men to suicidal situations, he finally provokes abandonment from his remaining followers, only to try and murder Hero by honorlessly shooting him In the Back.
  • San Andreas: Officer Frank Tenpenny is the crooked, self-righteous head of C.R.A.S.H., using the unit as his own personal gang in a quest to control all of San Andreas. For years, Tenpenny has abused his authority to exploit the gangs of Los Santos for his own profit while turning them against each other and orchestrating bloody gang wars. Tenpenny eventually throws in exclusively with the ruthless Ballas, supplying them with dangerous crack cocaine with which to flood the streets and turn countless civilians and crooks alike into suffering addicts. To secure Balla rule, Tenpenny ensures the systematic slaughter of smaller gangs, such as Grove Street, and in a haphazard attempt on the life of Grove Street's leader Sweet, Tenpenny has a drive-by carried out that kills Sweet's elderly mother. To keep his crimes hidden, Tenpenny regularly murders fellow officers of the law as well as other whistleblowers, either with his own hands or by forcing those like Carl "CJ" Johnson to do his dirty work, threatening the latter with having his brother raped and killed if he refuses. Tenpenny is also responsible for the corruption of Big Smoke, making him become the face of the drug empire Tenpenny has constructed, planning all the while to eliminate him. Tenpenny's villainy is so rampant that Los Santos begins tearing itself apart in an outraged riot over his unchecked evil, at which point Tenpenny tries to eliminate loose ends, leave his allies to die in a fire, and flee the state to save his own skin. Tenpenny's ambition nearly destroys San Andreas, and to the very end he sneers that those against him were nothing but "trash" to be taken out.
  • Halo: The Prophet of Truth, born Ord Casto, is one of the Big Bads of the original trilogy and instigator of the attempted genocide of two species. After finding out that humans are the descendants of Forerunners, thus violating Covenant doctrine, Truth, along with his cohorts Mercy and Regret, declares war on all humanity, with the aim of completely destroying them, intending to preserve the strength of their species. Believing the Jiralhane—Brutes—to be more vicious and mindlessly devoted pawns than the Sangheili—Elites—Truth secretly orders the genocide of the Sangheili race after ensuring the Jiralhane will supplant them, triggering the Covenant Civil War. Cold-blooded and ruthless, Truth feels no loyalty or affection for his fellow Prophets, prevents Covenant forces from saving Regret in order to use his death for political gain, and allows Mercy to be killed by the Flood in order to seize absolute power over the Covenant. Concerned about personal power rather than Covenant religion, and even after confronted with evidence that the Halo Rings were not a means of achieving godhood but instead weapons of mass destruction, Truth still decides to activate them all, dedicated to the idea of becoming a god through the Great Journey, not taking care of killing every living thing in the universe while he ascends to godhood.
  • Wolfenstein: Oberst-Gruppenführer Wilhelm Strasse, better known as "Deathshead"—"Totenkopf" in German—is the monstrous Nazi behind much of the suffering throughout the series. and the Arch-Enemy of Captain William Joseph "B.J." Blazkowicz. Attempting to launch a V-2 with an experimental biological warhead into London and experimenting on various creatures, Deathshead helps the SS paranormal unit resurrect Heinrich I. Returning years later, Strasse takes over the Nazi forces in Isenstadt after the death of General Zetta and seeks to use the Nazi superweapon powered by the Black Sun to wipe out Isenstadt and its entire population as a demonstration. Having miraculously survived the Zeppelin crash, Deathshead is resurrected in The New Order, where he demonstrates the full depth of his depravity and abominations. Carrying out painful and excruciating experiments, Deathshead captures Blazkowicz, and forces him to choose which of his two friends Deathshead will painfully dissect, forcing BJ to watch the process before Deathshead leaves the survivor to burn alive. Using the fruits of his terrible experiments to give the Nazis victory and establishing a cruel dictatorship, Deathshead continues his experiments by forcing a mental asylum to give him subjects and then ordering his soldiers to murder all the remaining patients when he decides he does not need them anymore. Finally confronted by B.J., Deathshead takes his dissected friend's brain and places it in a robot as a fully conscious slave—a fate he intends for all his dissected victims and B.J. himself—and forces him to attack B.J. Fully committed to his scientific legacy and believing compassion does not befit the "Master Race", while surpassing almost all Nazis in horrifying cruelty and ruthlessness, Deathshead represented the worst of the Third Reich.
  • Metalocalypse: Mister Salacia is the puppetmaster behind the Tribunal monitoring Dethklok. At first seeming to be simply an influential human power broker, Salacia reveals himself to be far more when he uses telekinesis to gruesomely massacre a group of subordinates for acting without sanction, and later takes over the mind of military general Crozier to reroute US Army resources to the mysterious Falconback Project. In the finale, Salacia is revealed as an Eldritch Abomination from another dimension who lost most of his power upon getting trapped on Earth in ancient times, and has manipulated influential people throughout history to regain his full strength. His goal is to bring the Doomstar to Earth and perform a ritual to transform it into a portal to his home dimension—and Salacia cares absolutely nothing for the fact that doing so will render the Earth a lifeless husk due to the star's extreme heat. When Dethklok finally confronts him face to face, Salacia reveals that once he's done draining their mystical energies to power the Falconback device for the ritual, he plans on killing all of them except frontman Nathan Explosion, whom he intends to keep as his immortal, tortured plaything for all eternity.
  • Seasons 3-4: Sister Sisto murdered the previous leader of the Bowinian Church to bring herself to power. Revealing Cherie's child to the residents of the Wall, Sisto has the child branded to make her a false symbol to the Church. Sisto is revealed to have turned the Church into a cult, having anyone who enters said Wall executed if they do not accept Jesse as their god, with their heads being displayed on a wall as a warning. When one of the residents discover the temperature decreasing at an alarming rate, Sisto reveals that she had been personally lowering it before having said resident executed. After Cherie and Montez manage to escape, Sisto sends her soldiers after them, many getting killed by the traps left for them. After Sisto discovers that they had already escaped, she abandons her soldiers and leaves them to freeze to death, revealing to Nova that she never believed in Jesse to begin with and was lying to her the whole time about reviving her husband, breaking Nova in the process before attempting to stab her to death.

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#26079: Sep 17th 2023 at 10:53:35 AM

Small spelling correction in Crow's entry. “When Crow attempts to kill all the fighters

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
MermaidEyes15 A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds from The Grand Dance of the Vast Universe of Life Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Puppy love
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
#26081: Sep 17th 2023 at 12:17:49 PM

Since the ladder is almost to the end and since both got more yes votes, gonna post their E Ps:

  • Guo, the former head secretary of China, is the founder of the Beacon of Light, who seeming presentation as a loyal member of his country served to hide his true nature. Exploiting and endangering the thousands of souls in the community through labor and dangerous mission runs, he’s willing to throw them into back breaking fields for the slightest rule breaking, while keeping all the citizens impoverished and miserable. Refusing to abandon the settlement and lying to the citizens about the military coming, Guo green lights the drafting of hundreds of Vultures around China, having them kidnapped and enslave to fight against the Typhoon horde. After Zhu abandoned his post, Guo manipulates Elena into following a raid on The Grove, imprisoning most of the members and keeping Zhu as a prisoner. Sending all the citizens to fight against the incoming horde, Guo abandons the community, having revealed to have stole a lifetime of their supplies ahead of time and left them all to die so he and his small group of supporters can get away. An arrogant and power hungry man even to the end, Guo’s claims of loyalty and care of China are ultimately a cover up to hide a delusional man clinging to power.

  • Wangfa is the Defensemaster and lieutenant of The Beacon of Light who shows himself to be an abusive and power hungry individual. Quickly letting the power of Defensemaster get to his head and having his soldiers intimidate and abuse civilians to keep them in line, Wangfa personally brings up and leads the drafting, mass kidnapping and enslaving hundreds of Vultures to be on the front lines of the typhoon horde. Quick to use force, such as beating Bo in order to find out Zhu’s location, Wangfa attempts to suppress any deserters, brutally beating Zhu and Bo before murdering the ladder in cold blood, spitefully blaming Zhu for it just to twist the knife. Quickly slipping away from the battle, Wangfa joins Guo in abandoning the Beacon of Light, leaving the thousands for dead while making off with all their supplies. Angered at losing any power he had left, Wangfa had plans to murder Guo and most of his supporters before raiding the settlements around them, planning to restart the time of The Warlord.

Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#26082: Sep 17th 2023 at 12:58:30 PM

Hey all, I've decided to step away from the site for a bit, both out of disappointment with recent staff actions and for my own mental health. I did do write ups for all my 007 Legends candidates and while only one has passed his voting window, I'll post all of them here so they can go up next week. Hopefully I won't be gone forever but that remains to be seen.

  • 007 Legends:
    • Auric Goldfinger is a gold loving businessman out to enrich himself by any means necessary. When Bond begins investigating him, Goldfinger murders his assistant and paints her corpse gold as a warning. Goldfinger plans to fatally gas Fort Knox and the surrounding area, then detonate a nuclear bomb to plunge the US into economic crisis and raise the value of his own gold. When Bond is captured, Goldfinger tries to cut him in half with a laser and later handcuffs him to the bomb so he’ll be vaporized when it detonates.
    • Ernst Stavro Blofeld is the mysterious leader of SPECTRE, an international criminal organization specializing in terrorism. Blofeld’s latest scheme is to threaten to release a deadly virus into several major cities around the world unless he’s paid by the UN. Blofeld also kidnaps Bond’s love Tracy di Vicenzo, bragging that she won’t remember Bond’s name after he’s done with her and plans to blow up his own base when Bond’s allies attack it. After his seeming death, Blofeld returns to make an attempt on Bond’s life, killing Tracy in the process.
    • Gustav Graves
    • Hugo Drax is a vile businessman who sees most of humanity as a pestilence to be eradicated. Drax has developed a deadly nerve agent which he intends to release onto the Earth to wipe out all human life while he and his personally chosen “super race” wait in the Moonraker space station to repopulate the Earth. When Bond and CIA Agent Holly Goodhead try to stop him, Drax locks them in the blast chamber beneath his rocket to be incinerated. Later Drax attempts to have his henchman Jaws kill them, all while planning to eliminate Jaws for not fitting into his perfect world.

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#26083: Sep 17th 2023 at 1:39:17 PM

  • Typhoon novel, by Wesley Chu:
    • Secretary Guo, the former Chinese Secretary of State, is the founder of the Beacon of Light, whose seeming presentation as a loyal member of his country served to hide his true nature. Exploiting and endangering the thousands of souls in the community through labor and dangerous mission runs, Guo is willing to throw them into back-breaking fields for the slightest rule breaking, while keeping all the citizens impoverished and miserable. Refusing to abandon the settlement and lying to the citizens about the military coming, Guo green-lights the drafting of hundreds of Vultures—survivors—around China, having them kidnapped and enslaved to fight against the Typhoon horde. After Zhu abandoned his post, Guo manipulates Elena into following a raid on the Grove, imprisoning most of the members and keeping Zhu as a prisoner. Sending all the citizens to fight against the incoming horde, Guo abandons the community, revealed to have stolen a lifetime of their supplies ahead of time and left them all to die so he and his small group of supporters can get away. An arrogant and power-hungry man even to the end, Guo's claims of loyalty and care of China are ultimately a cover up to hide a delusional man clinging to power.
    • Wangfa is the Defensemaster and lieutenant of the Beacon of Light who shows himself to be an abusive and power-hungry individual. Quickly letting the power of Defensemaster get to his head and having his soldiers intimidate and abuse civilians to keep them in line, Wangfa personally brings up and leads the drafting, mass kidnapping, and enslaving of hundreds of Vultures to be on the front lines of the Typhoon horde. Quick to use force, such as beating Bo in order to find out Zhu's location, Wangfa attempts to suppress any deserters, brutally beating Zhu and Bo before murdering the ladder in cold blood, spitefully blaming Zhu for it just to twist the knife. Quickly slipping away from the battle, Wangfa joins Guo in abandoning the Beacon of Light, leaving the thousands for dead while making off with all their supplies. Angered at losing any power he had left, Wangfa plans to murder Guo and most of his supporters before raiding the settlements around them, planning to restart the time of The Warlord.

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MermaidEyes15 A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds from The Grand Dance of the Vast Universe of Life Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Puppy love
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
#26084: Sep 17th 2023 at 1:41:52 PM

[up] Nice, thanks!

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MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
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#26086: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:05:25 PM

What's the work?

L.A. Confidential is my all-time favorite movie and a brilliant piece of Film Noir following a trio of flawed policemen who don't really like each other having to come together to stop the mastermind behind the consolidation of Los Angeles organized crime. Seemingly benevolent police Captain Dudley Smith is the Big Bad and lacking his (far more repulsive) book version's redeeming quality, is listed for being just as evil as he is brilliant.

In 2019 there was a pilot script which sadly never aired but alone still gives our villain enough to talk about here.

What's Dudley doing here?

Introduced as "the original kindly Irish cop, smart and charming", we're given the piece of information that he's got a pin for number of men he's killed in the line of duty (8), while his two subordinates respectively have one for 5 and 4 (Keep that in mind). Secretly coveting the stolen heroin of a crook who's just killed a policeman, Dudley uses the opportunity to call for his enraged officers to kill the criminal rather than bring him in.

Using information from well-meaning cop Ed Exley, Dudley has one of his crooked underlings following Ed's lead for his own ends. Meanwhile, Dudley has his men beat and apprehend Percy Haskins, their perp's known associate. As the den's raided, Dudley personally arrives at the Victory Motel and—while keeping an even temper and charming smile—brutally stabs Haskins in the leg artery, threatening to let him bleed out unless he tells Dudley where he's hidden the heroin.

After pressing Haskins for all the details he can, he viciously removes the knife, elegantly dodging the bloodspray and beginning to plot with his underlings as Haskins dies in agony. With a cheerful, complete lack of morality, Dudley starts setting in motion his pawns to get the stolen heroin and make his fortune. Sadly as the pilot wasn't picked up that's all we get.

Mitigating factors?

No, much like the film version he's friendly but he's a sociopath fixated on making a fortune selling heroin and sees people as tools. He's a Magnificent Bastard just like his film counterpart but it's of the Faux Affably Evil type, beyond being composed and brilliant there's nothing actually redeeming in him.

Heinousness?

There's mention of "Dr. Frankenstein", a killer who murdered and cut up six kids and a seventh body found in a similar state but while Dudley lacks the gruesome presentation of the bodies we know he's a criminal with a far reach, has at least 17 kills between himself and his men—before Haskins or what he keeps out of reports—with Haskins' murder showing just how brutal he can be in the name or pursuing profit.

Verdict?

Yes and I'll have him up on the sister thread in a few days as well.

therealjackieboy Ultimate Moral Compass from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Ultimate Moral Compass
#26087: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:09:42 PM

[tup]Script!Dudley

"No running in the halls!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#26088: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:18:15 PM

[tup]Dudley

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#26089: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:18:21 PM

[tup] to Dudley

Goodbye Chaos and take care, you as well Papyru.

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#26092: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:25:30 PM

Yes and the seventh recent body makes it unclear if the original was never actually caught or the second is the work of a copycat.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#26095: Sep 17th 2023 at 3:45:44 PM

[tup] to Script!Captain Dudley Smith.

SumDumNerd Current mood: sick of your shit from the Ever After Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#26097: Sep 17th 2023 at 4:03:24 PM

[tup] Dudley.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Ravok Caesar Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Caesar
#26099: Sep 17th 2023 at 4:23:13 PM

Yes to Dudley, great find!

Weirdly enough, I'm in the mood to discuss fascism and abusers, so...

What's the work?

Waiting For The Barbarians is an interesting 2019 film set in an undisclosed Empire, taking heavy cues and setting from British colonialism. It follows Mark Rylance as the Magistrate, the head of an Empire town on frontier land, charged with overseeing the locals and keeping watch for "the barbarians", the native, Mongolian-esque people whose land the Empire is subsuming. Though the Magistrate tries to rule with a steady hand, the arrival of outside military forces lead the Magistrate into realizing the true horrors of the Empire he serves.

Who are Colonel Joll and Officer Mandel? What have they done?

  • Colonel Joll is the Big Bad of the film, played by Johnny Depp Putting on the Reich. Joll is an emotionless, unfeeling man who prides himself on being an "interrogator" of the native barbarians/nomads.
    • He arrives in the Magistrate's town and demands to interrogate a local nomad elderly man and his son accused of sheep stealing. Joll subjects the father and son to heinous, offscreen torture whose results we see: the father is left dead from the torture, the son so bloodied and violated that he signs a "confession" that local nomads are arming themselves for conflict.
    • With this as impetus for invasion, Joll leads an expedition to a nearby village, rounding up dozens of nomad villagers who are subjected to brutal torture, starvation and rape at Joll's behest. Joll gets further "confessions" to justify more invasions and war crimes. He oversees a group of nomad men being heinously tortured in public by Mandel and then beaten to death with a golden hammer; he also has a girl's ankles broken, her eyes blinded with a heated fork, and her body ravished while her father watches before killing the man and leaving her on the streets to die.
    • Joll ultimately demotes the Magistrate for "fraternizing with the enemy"—ie, being a merciful man— and leads a military expedition into the desert lands to wipe out the nomads entirely. But uh, Joll made a grievous error with Bullying a Dragon. His entire force is wiped out by the enraged "barbarian" nomads, and Joll is sent fleeing with his tail tucked between his legs. He's last seen catatonic and disheveled from the utter defeat he experienced.

  • Officer Mandel, Robert Pattinson, is a slimy Smug Snake who takes over the local Empire town after the Magistrate is demoted.
    • Mandel's forces heap abuse and assault on the natives at his behest, and in a nasty bit of cruelty, Mandel strings a group of nomads together with barbed wire shoved through their faces and hands, forcing them to remain still as he brutally beats them with a rod. Mandel forces an Empire child to take part in the beating, and when the Magistrate steps in to try to save the natives from death by beating, Mandel breaks the Magistrate's arm and ensures the executions are carried out.
    • Given free reign by Joll to punish the Magistrate, Mandel dresses him in humiliating women's clothing, strings him up in public by his broken arm to torture him, and beats him in front of the locals, then leaving him homeless.
    • When he learns that Joll's genocide campaign against the nomads failed, Mandel cowardly abandons his post and gives his men free reign to tear apart the town and brutalize more locals, all as Mandel runs from the incoming barbarian hordes seeking vengeance for the Empire's atrocities.

Mitigating features?

None for either. Joll is a robotic facial who considers all of his actions justified since he is expanding the Empire and "taming savages", while Mandel is just a weaselly officer who leaps at the chance for power and then summarily turns tail and runs at the first sign of major trouble.

Heinousness?

Both are more than bad enough. Joll is a mass torturer and murderer who oversees some truly heinous "interrogations" in a quest to commit genocide against the nomads; Mandel is in full support of Joll's goal and personally engages in horrible torturing and abuse of his own, of both townsfolk and then the Magistrate for being a "traitor."

Edited by Ravok on Sep 17th 2023 at 4:28:04 AM

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
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