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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#1: Jan 1st 2023 at 1:39:49 PM

I previously inquired about whether or not video examples are subject to the guidelines of Real Life Troping, and the responses that came back suggested they are. As a result, me and a few other tropers have been operating under that assumption. However, Twiddler seems to disagree with this, as several videos that were recently reported in the Video Moderation thread were kept by him on the basis that the tropes they were examples of allowed real life examples. I'm going to ask again here just so this disrepancy is cleared up: should video examples be subject to the restrictions of Real Life Troping?

Edit: I know Twiddler said he was going to make a thread on this topic, but I decided to spare him the effort.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 1st 2023 at 3:43:50 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#2: Jan 1st 2023 at 5:06:35 PM

I think just as with Real Life Troping cleaning, it's case-by-case and videos should be checked who the subject is. We can aplly something like Tall, Dark, and Handsome for a movie footage but not to a behind the documentary with the actor.

tl;tr I don't see why wouldn't they be subject to same rules, video examples still have to be applicable examples.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 1st 2023 at 4:07:31 PM

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#3: Jan 1st 2023 at 5:43:31 PM

Of the videos I've seen that fall afoul of Real Life Troping, there were generally two categories:

  • A streamer/content creator is streaming a game and does something in game, but the video is sourced to the streamer rather than the game. These got kept because the troped thing happens in the game, and that's honestly fair. All I think needs to be done with these is just switching the source from the player to the actual game.
  • A streamer/content creator is streaming and does something IRL outside of any narrative. These got kept because the tropes involved allow real life examples, but these are usually textbook RLT violations and generally need to go.

At least, this is my current understanding.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 1st 2023 at 7:43:41 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#4: Jan 1st 2023 at 5:57:22 PM

  • Videos, like images of the game content (How to Pick a Good Image doesn't say that...), should not have out-of-game content, especially overlays, watermarks or webcams. Video Guidelines also asks to source videos to where they are from and not what are they showing. If video doesn't show that and doesn't have identifying elements like username, it works the same as using screenshots on trope pages.
  • What streamer does not-in-character are not part of their work and should not be sourced or kept as if they are.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 1st 2023 at 4:58:20 PM

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#5: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:06:15 PM

Maybe the disconnect's on my end, then. Let me provide a SovietWomble video as well as my though process to see what I'm getting wrong about this:

  • Mordhau - Soviet v.s. Chinny: Demonstrates Frying Pan of Doom. SovietWomble is in the middle of a typical Mordhau session and declares that Chinny is not going to kill him with a frying pan. Chinny kills him with a frying pan seconds later. The "frying pan used as a weapon" part occurs within Mordhau itself, but Womble himself isn't doing anything transformative or narrative with the video. He's just playing the game. Therefore, if this were a text entry, it wouldn't be allowed on his page.
Is there anything about this that I'm misunderstanding or is inapplicable to video examples?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 3rd 2023 at 6:07:25 AM

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#6: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:07:54 PM

Well, that's not real life troping, it's more just not tropeworthy because the actual trope comes from the game and not the creator. But real life troping is more like if the person actually attacked someone with a frying pan on camera for real. In your example, it's not allowed to be troped for Soviet Womble, but obviously it can be troped for the actual game.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 3rd 2023 at 7:08:36 AM

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#7: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:13:39 PM

I see. I'm guessing this other Womble video is more what Real Life Troping is covering?

Mordhau - High Chubb - Demonstrates Blatant Lies. Chubb is playing Mordhau with Womble and his friends and smoking weed IRL while doing so. Chubb tries to deny that he's smoking weed when they inquire him about it, but his slurred speech and the sounds of his lighter make it extremely obvious he's bluffing. Because Chubb is lying IRL, the video falls afoul of Real Life Troping.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 3rd 2023 at 6:13:47 AM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#8: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:14:05 PM

re: Soviet v.s. Chinny

I'd personally call that video an example from SovietWomble and not an example from Mordhau because it's edited. But SovietWomble is just playing a game, he didn't intend to make a Never Bring a Knife to a Fist Fight case for the sake of putting it into a video (maybe he did, but I can't tell that).

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 3rd 2023 at 3:15:21 PM

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#9: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:14:41 PM

Yeah, I'd say that's real life troping.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#10: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:18:51 PM

Re High Chubb, it appears the person is actually doing it and isn't like a bit, so I'd say it stops being a Trope and becomes interaction outside of the creative content.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#11: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:24:27 PM

I guess part of what's made me confused is that I've brought a few videos to the Video Moderation thread with reasoning along the lines of what I've mentioned earlier, and the videos were actually removed, which made me feel like I was going about it the right way. I did have mightymewtron challenge me on a Game Grumps video that, in hindsight, was clearly in-game, but it was only when Twiddler became a mod that I saw my line of reasoning being consistently challenged.

[down] That's fair.

Edit: No offense to anyone I mentioned, just recounting my experience in the thread.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 3rd 2023 at 6:28:42 AM

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#12: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:25:34 PM

I mean, I still think the video should've been removed, I just disagree that it's a "real life example".

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:47:16 PM

What reasoning should I be using for videos like the Frying Pan of Doom one, then? That it wasn't planned out or something?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#14: Jan 3rd 2023 at 4:49:04 PM

Well, not quite... My thought is that any tropes that you can just apply to the original game / a mod of the game / etc isn't a trope that applies to the player. This is why some pages have been getting cut lately if they're just "person plays a game". There needs to be some creative intent, and a video that depicts someone just doing something in a game isn't a trope that applies to the creator.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#15: Jan 3rd 2023 at 5:10:25 PM

[up] Oh, I thought this part of Amonimus' comment on this thread citing the video guideline policy (emphasis mine):

Videos, like images of the game content (How to Pick a Good Image doesn't say that...), should not have out-of-game content, especially overlays, watermarks or webcams. Video Guidelines also asks to source videos to where they are from and not what are they showing. If video doesn't show that and doesn't have identifying elements like username, it works the same as using screenshots on trope pages.
meant I wasn't supposed to be doing that. That being said, the text edited onto the game footage should be grounds for pulling the videos by itself.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jan 3rd 2023 at 7:10:50 AM

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