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Naming for page on ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series vs. first book

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Someone1981 Since: Aug, 2022
#1: Dec 29th 2022 at 12:41:07 AM

Currently, the trope list for the Twilight series is so long that it's been made into a collection of collapsed sections by letter. I think that splitting it into a page for the series-level tropes and a separate page for each book makes more sense, and I'm currently working on it off-line. Problem is: the series and the first book have the same name. How am I supposed to name the respective pages?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#2: Dec 29th 2022 at 2:28:17 AM

Given that they should both be moved because other books also share the same name, I suggest that the first installment be at Literature.Twilight 2005 while I've heard that the most complete version of the Boxed Set is named The Twilight Saga Complete Collection so either that or Literature.The Twilight Saga (which would also match up with the film series title and already exists as a redirect).

Edited by crazysamaritan on Dec 29th 2022 at 10:29:04 AM

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Someone1981 Since: Aug, 2022
#4: Dec 29th 2022 at 1:18:13 PM

By the way, how can I overwrite a redirect? (This also applies to New Moon)

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#5: Dec 29th 2022 at 3:07:37 PM

I'm starting to think that we need to include this information on Creating New Redirects, but to answer your question:

You can go to the page as normal (following the article link or a redirect because both land you on the same page), then click on the "Related To" option, which shows you the Wicks to the page, including from redirects. Redirects are duplicated at the top of the page in a dashed-line box that says "This article is the target of ? redirect(s).", where "?" is the number of redirects. From that box, you click on the page you're trying to edit and you'll find yourself in the "Related To" subpage of that page. At that point, clicking on "Edit Page" will work as normal (you'll want to break the redirect markup).

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Someone1981 Since: Aug, 2022
#6: Jan 4th 2023 at 9:31:38 AM

And what should I do with the Twilight page when I'm done?

Malady (X-Troper)
#7: Jan 28th 2023 at 6:24:18 PM

Disambig or redirect to the Series or book, depending on how common uses for each are?

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#8: Jan 28th 2023 at 6:50:38 PM

This is everything listed on the current Main.Twilight page:

The only thing that the current Literature.Twilight page actually shares a namespace with is Film.Twilight, which is a redirect to it. And a bunch of that stuff can probably be cut.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#9: Jan 28th 2023 at 7:12:53 PM

Oooh, redirect to Main then. So many books on there.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#10: Jan 28th 2023 at 7:25:18 PM

[up]Yes, but most of them don't actually have pages yet.

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Someone1981 Since: Aug, 2022
#11: Feb 5th 2023 at 2:11:23 PM

Is there some way to search all TLP pages (or all the non-launched TLP pages) for links to Twilight? And am I better off fixing these links myself or asking the TLP page owner to fix the links?

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#12: Feb 5th 2023 at 2:27:42 PM

Er, you should ideally leave TLP pages alone. Nobody wants the front page to be bombarded with pages only bumped due to link fixes. If there's a draft that's about to launch and you notice an outdated title link, sure, tell the sponsor, but don't bother going on a title-changing spree.

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Someone1981 Since: Aug, 2022
#13: Feb 15th 2023 at 12:40:17 PM

What should I do with subpages (such as Characters/Twilight, Analysis/Twilight) after they've been copied (either completely as subpages of The Twilight Saga or split among the books)? And what about the discussion pages and reviews?

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#14: Feb 15th 2023 at 12:47:09 PM

You can request in the locked pages thread for those to be moved. (Technically you can just move the subpages yourself, but if you want the page history to be moved then you can ask in that thread.)

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