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Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#301: Jul 26th 2023 at 3:00:10 PM

[up]Well, "inspired" in the sense that Handler thought there would be a US market for such a doll for girls by seeing one and basically asking her daughter "Hey, would you play with something like that?"

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#302: Jul 26th 2023 at 3:07:36 PM

About the video, don't you think that such notion can reek of users always thinking that a critique of something big, even if daring, won't ever be "strong" enough?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
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#303: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:09:17 PM
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#304: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:14:16 PM

...Ed could touch some grass.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#305: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:17:11 PM

Do we really need to give any more oxygen to reviews like that?

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#306: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:17:16 PM

[up][up][up] I don't even know how to respond to that.

Either way I'm going to see it again tomorrow.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 26th 2023 at 6:20:45 AM

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#307: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:19:41 PM

[up][up]yeah,funny as the review is please a)blur the name out you're giving them notoriety they dont deserve b)we've been told in past to stop giving people that attention

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#308: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:25:21 PM

For someone who has genine criticism of the fim (as in, not Misogyny) Verilybitchie (a They / She creator) has a good video.

She's specifically critical of Sasha and how underbaked she feels.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jul 26th 2023 at 7:29:11 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#309: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:26:55 PM

That was already shared a couple of pages ago.

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#310: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:29:56 PM

Might not have seen it, but I feel like it's a nice counter to Tobias Drake's example of bad criticism. [lol]

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#311: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:30:27 PM

And it's something that bugs from those of creator. It feels like it makes the film's success feel unearned if the critique doesn't feel it reaches hard enough.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
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#312: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:33:27 PM

Talking about the video I linked?

Because they outright say they enjoyed the film.

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#313: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:34:42 PM

Yeah that.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
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#314: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:37:08 PM

yeah,funny as the review is please a)blur the name out you're giving them notoriety they dont deserve b)we've been told in past to stop giving people that attention

Oh, my bad. I went ahead and blotted them out.

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#315: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:38:06 PM

Though genuine question.

Where did all this idea that the reasons this was a success was because it was a new freash IP I've seen come from?

But like isn't this an old ip. I for example grew up on Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper and Barbie in the Nutcracker (tbh Tim Curry's mouse king is still freaking great). And so did many others. So it's already coming up with a pre baked audience.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#316: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:41:37 PM

I have to imagine the audience for this film isn't largely based on people who watched the animated films.

Not as a knock against those movies, but they're wildly different in tone and such. For most people, I think the idea of a Barbie live-action movie was wild enough to garner attention, and then it came backed with what seemed, at the time, an equally strange choice in the creative team.

But that also helped, as Gerwig and Baumbach are both highly acclaimed.

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#317: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:42:07 PM

@Lonecourier: Look, I'm not saying you have to agree with her opinion, but she does source her reasons for it.

Its specifically about Mattel's hypocrisy in regards to Barbie and trying to pinkwash her, even with Gerwig's direction, and how Greta Gerwig isn't perfect as a director (I even agree with her on the ending of Little Women, too).

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#318: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:48:29 PM

[up][up]Yeah, speaking as someone who did grew up with those old, ugly-ass C Gi movies (I say that with affection), the biggest reason I went to watch is because the sheer size of the meme the movie had become online, especially when paired with Oppenheimer.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#319: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:54:58 PM

Yeah to me it's like...the Jurassic Park movies and that animated Camp Cretaceous show on Netflix.

They're part of the same franchise, but I don't think there's too much audience overlap there.

Granted, when I saw Barbie there were definitely some younger people there, but they all seemed to be early teens or tweens at youngest.

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#320: Jul 26th 2023 at 6:16:04 PM

It does get points in my book for not being a remake, a sequel, or part of an existing cinematic universe. The bar for "original" these days is so low it's in the basement.

Kae-Leah Since: Jun, 2023
#321: Jul 26th 2023 at 7:40:20 PM

Lots of people interpreted the messaging as anti-male, but now having seen it, it really did not come off to me as "All men are evil!", as much as saying that men need to find healthier ways of dealing with their insecurities and find their own identity instead of giving in to toxic masculinity.

There were some interesting points raised up-thread as the movie is deeply satirical, but Mattel still had to sign off on it, so there's no mention of Bild Lilli or controversies involving Mattel's use of Chinese sweatshop labor. The tagline "If you love Barbie, this movie is for you! If you hate Barbie, this movie is for you!" rings true as it feels like both a celebration of Barbie and a deconstructive parody of it at the same time. This puts it an odd place for some, as some might complain that it didn't go far enough in its satire and criticism, while some Barbie fans might find the satire off-putting. As an avid longtime Barbie and fashion doll collector, I have enough of a sense of humor to enjoy the satire though.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#322: Jul 26th 2023 at 7:49:40 PM

Yeah, it's definitely not "anti-man." It's anti-patriarchy, but one of the points of the movie is to illustrate how the patriarchy hurts men as well as women.

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#323: Jul 26th 2023 at 8:21:20 PM

It's pretty funny how these chuds claim that this movie is anti-men but then say the film "accidentally" makes Ken sympathetic.

Like no. The filmmakers did that on purpose. These dummies come so close to the actual point of the film but their brains have been ruined by the "woke" boogeyman and see "woke" everywhere

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#324: Jul 26th 2023 at 10:12:39 PM

[up]Yeah. Even the speech can be applied to males too. But like I said it's the usual idiots.

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#325: Jul 27th 2023 at 8:27:36 AM

We passed 500 million by the way. Records indicated 750 million will be surpassed by the weekend.

Billion is locked I'd say.

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