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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#276: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:37:15 PM

Thing is that right now women have LOST rights that make being on the Supreme Court meaningless IE having no control over their own body.

It still fits when you take into consideration that right now women have lost rights including thanks to one of said women on the Supreme Court appointed by Trump, from a cult where women are viewed as subservient to men, and all the rulings she’s helped with enforce that.

Just like Clarence Thomas is not an ally of his fellow African Americans and love his white rich sugar daddies and all their Nazi memorabilia.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 25th 2023 at 7:48:16 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
OrangeBun Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him) from The only sane region left in Brazil (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I'm her lunatic and she's my sociopath
Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him)
#277: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:46:59 PM

To step out of the thematic discussion a bit: I don't quite get the hype for Allen.

He's just - Michael Cera playing a Michael Cera character, honestly. Yeah, him beating up the Kens building the "wall" between Barbieland and the Real World was funny and all, but it's still just Michael Cera.

I don't know, I didn't get the appeal.

El sexo es temporal. LA PENITENCIA ES ETERNA!
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#278: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:50:22 PM

People like Michael Cera.

Plus, Allan serves as a rebuttal to the Ken's toxic masculinity.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#279: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:52:13 PM

He's basically there to show #Not All Ken.

Except he's not a Ken.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#280: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:55:08 PM

I watched the video OrangeBun and I really liked it. She brought up great points.

As for I think that is just fun to have people not named Barbie and Ken in Barbieland on top of him just being likable.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2023 at 8:59:21 AM

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OrangeBun Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him) from The only sane region left in Brazil (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I'm her lunatic and she's my sociopath
Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him)
#281: Jul 25th 2023 at 6:59:52 PM

[up]x3 Eh, I find the guy kind of "meh" myself.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
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#283: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:00:16 PM

Does anyone have thoughts on Ken being the main villain? For me, I was surprised but I understand why it happened.

"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#284: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:03:19 PM

I was surprised but not in the bad way. It helps that he was still sympathetic throughout which I appreciated.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#285: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:05:21 PM

Yeah, the person I saw it with saw that coming pretty much right away.

I was more surprised that Gosling can sing.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#286: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:11:07 PM

[up] I mean I wasn't what with La La Land and him being part of the Mickey Mouse club. Though I do hope he takes roles for him to show it off as I really liked Just Ken.

What did you guys think of Robbie as Barbie? I loved her the role personally.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2023 at 10:13:26 AM

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OrangeBun Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him) from The only sane region left in Brazil (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I'm her lunatic and she's my sociopath
Formerly Hail Muffins (He/Him)
#287: Jul 25th 2023 at 8:48:19 PM

This was actually the first time I watched a movie with Robbie as a lead actress and I was pretty surprised at how good she was at comedy.

I dunno if she has any background in it, but her exaggerated reactions were pretty funny throughout.

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WoodyAlien3rd from Persimmon Land (Italy) Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
#288: Jul 26th 2023 at 3:54:27 AM

Saw the movie and enjoyed it, especially the comedic performances, scenery, songs and some clever satirical bits. However, I did not like everything: I understand that the target audience is a general one and they couldn't have done a "grim and gritty" film, but I felt that the "real world" parts were really low-stakes and wackier than they could have been. The police and FBI don't really do anything, the Mattel board are a bunch of bumbling buffoons and for all the talk of Barbie entering the real world being the cause of catastrophic events, the worst that happens is that... Ken toys sell really well?

I don't get if this is part of the satire and meant to say that a toy (and a movie) can't really change anything in our reality, or if they didn't want to ruin the cheerful tone of the film by making the "real" part too depressing, or whatever. To me, The Lego Movie is still the benchmark of a toy-based movie that deconstructs the product while celebrating it and the impact it had on generations of kids. And Will Ferrell was much less annoying and over-the-top in that film. (Also, I don't even like Zack Snyder, but I felt that the dig at Justice League by one of the Barbies was just pointless and forced)

"Effective Altruism" is just another bunch of horsesh*t.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#289: Jul 26th 2023 at 4:16:49 AM

Tbf this is pretty tame. Dc themselves have made meaner jokes about the snyder cut. Dc sI a big fan of Self Depreciation comedy. Like Harley Quinn here. And no one really minded.

Ngl adding the guy with the last Jedi is not Canon t shirt makes this priceless.

Hell the reddit dceu group. Through the Barbie joke was pretty funny.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#290: Jul 26th 2023 at 5:56:42 AM

It’s not even really a dig at Snyder or the film (or Coppola and the Godfather), just the stereotypical fandom that it spawned. “I think ZSJL is great” and “wow a lot of toxic men like this movie huh” are not contradictory. Could have swapped it out for like, Fight Club and the sentiment would’ve been the same (just not as topical).

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#291: Jul 26th 2023 at 10:06:00 AM

I found the Kens a lot more sympathetic than the Barbies. Yeah, getting the Barbies to perform "traditional" gender roles was not cool, but the Kens are homeless. They're treated worse than pets, for god's sake. Give them houses, at least! The Ken homes were flying off the shelves!

Oissu!
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#292: Jul 26th 2023 at 10:16:23 AM

[up] Which is what the film intended we are meant to find that the Kens are more sympathetic. They are meant to be a stand in for women in the real world. Though I do think it ending with them getting houses would have been good.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 26th 2023 at 12:22:53 PM

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Ienarana Yogo from Namekusein Since: Mar, 2023
Yogo
#293: Jul 26th 2023 at 10:20:02 AM

I thought the film was...Half and half. Production it was great and the humor on point, but I feel it seemed a little unsure what message to take. I wasn't sure how much the story wanted to either comment about gender roles or how much was the film a satire of the franchise, it felt a little uneven and unsure on what to invest further. The emotional moments also fell a little flat to seem convincing.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#294: Jul 26th 2023 at 10:21:54 AM

I was wondering what you guys think of the speech from Gloria. While I like it and think it is well delivered, I do get criticisms that it is too on the nose.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#296: Jul 26th 2023 at 11:17:24 AM

I wish Barbie came to those conclusions instead of them being given to her with an on-the-nose speech. It would have tied in with the ending better, as Barbie would have learned what it was to be a real woman herself.

Oissu!
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#297: Jul 26th 2023 at 11:55:06 AM

The issue is that Barbie still doesn’t really understand the real world very well. At that point, she’s still seeing things as “we thought we fixed everything and we were wrong”. Barbie talking about how complicated the real world is for women with dozens of contradictory elements would ring incredibly hollow because she was in the real world for like three hours maybe, she legit has no clear way to have learned all that stuff. Gloria has actually lived her whole life that way.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#298: Jul 26th 2023 at 11:58:55 AM

Plus the whole reason Barbie is in a funk in the first place is because of her...let's call it magic link to Gloria. Gloria is Barbie's connection to reality, and Barbie is Gloria's connection to a microcosm of womanhood.

So Gloria's speech rings true to Barbie not just because of what she's saying, but because of their emotional and mental connection.

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#299: Jul 26th 2023 at 1:53:57 PM

So hey, did you guys know that the original Barbie design comes from a Russian sex doll

No, she was inspired by Bild Lilli, a West German fashion doll, which was in turn based on a comic strip character who was flirty gold-digger type. A little risqué compared to what we think of the 50s, but really not that shocking.

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#300: Jul 26th 2023 at 2:14:33 PM

[up]'Inspired' is being a bit generous—early Barbies were basically just 1-to-1 Bild Lilli, and there was a lawsuit about it—but yes.

Edited by Chortleous on Jul 26th 2023 at 4:18:27 AM


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