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Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List

Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#1927: Aug 4th 2023 at 2:27:10 PM

Cut Dark Danny.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#1928: Aug 4th 2023 at 8:01:01 PM

Sad cut to Dark Danny

Bow to the Prototype
Klavice (Elder Troper)
#1929: Aug 5th 2023 at 1:41:26 AM

Yeah Dark Danny is a cut. Anyone considering proposing Namine from Kingdom Hearts Chain of memories and 2? Or is she not bad enough? I figure her being used by Marluxia and Axel isn't good.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#1930: Aug 5th 2023 at 5:33:42 AM

Actually, now that I think about, does the minimum needed and requirement to remove an CM/MB are still the same? (Wait 3 days, then check if 5 votes are in favor of cutting)

Eh, good enough.
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#1931: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:16:24 AM

Technically I believe so but generally I think cuts have been more straightforward just since historically there hasn’t been much pushback. We’ve got a pretty clear consensus here unless anyone would like to challenge removing DD.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#1932: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:30:50 AM

We don't need five more cuts than upvotes. If the recount is done and there are less than five more upvotes than he's cut. He's definitely trending that way if not already over that line.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Mr-ex777 Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1934: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:39:28 AM

Dark Danny (who I'll throw in a cut for)

TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#1936: Aug 5th 2023 at 8:19:17 AM

@ Klavice: if you want to considered proposals that’s on the proposal thread

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#1937: Aug 5th 2023 at 8:21:08 AM

My bad, yeah, j's right for the count there.

FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
#1938: Aug 5th 2023 at 11:06:36 AM

Hey guys, found this unauthorized entry from Karma's a Bitch:

  • Magnificent Bitch: Zoe Lee. Being the half-sister of Chloe Bourgeois, Zoe is able to maintain a façade of kindness and empathy that makes everyone around her trust and look upon her much more favorably compared to her sister, including her own stepfather, and uses it to her advantage. Seeing the rift between Marinette and the class due to the lies of Lila Rossi, Zoe is able to use the friction between the class to plot theft against them by pretending to side with Marinette while also working with Lila to con them out of their valuables, all while plotting to make Lila the fall guy as even Zoe is disgusted by her cruelty. Through careful cunning, planning, and maneuvering around setbacks she couldn't have forseen, Zoe is able to not only get away with the theft of her classmates valuables, but also of Adrien's trust fund, and is able to frame Lila with ease while still maintaining her image of an honest, caring friend to her class despite Lila's declarations. Clever, quick-thinking, and charismatic, Zoe Lee proved herself to be the greater liar and con-artist that even Lila Rossi could not outplay.
It is the only trope on the YMMV page, so I can't remove it, myself.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#1939: Aug 5th 2023 at 11:07:20 AM

You can just submit the page to the Cut List

FlowerPicking Since: Feb, 2023 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Heehee47 Princess of Moonbrooke from The guy standing right in front of you. Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Princess of Moonbrooke
#1941: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:17:57 PM

I have found this entry about Papa Louie on Papa Louie Arcade's page... and I really don't think it fits. It's about the Big Good for crying out loud!

Magnificent Bastard: Papa Louie himself is a brilliant chef who conned his way to building the most successful restaurant chain. Tricking people into working for him and running his restaurants, from holding a contest where the unknown prize is being forced into running his restaurant to advertising a position on an island with 12 people, knowing full well a tourist cruise was on its way. He would often hire people simply down on their luck and do his best to help with their problems. Keeping the profits while his employees build up his restaurants, he still pays a generous wage, and despite most being tricked into it all his employees came to love their jobs. Truly caring for both his employees and his customers, he single handedly fought off an Inter-dimensional invasion to save them, his brilliance loved in one world and feared in another.

Wherefore comest thou here?
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#1942: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:28:30 PM

Here's his EP.

The underhanded tactics he takes to recruit people more than qualifies him I feel.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#1943: Aug 5th 2023 at 7:50:49 PM

Ruthless heroes and “good” leaders utilize darker tropes all the time. I don’t see the issue.

Klavice (Elder Troper)
#1944: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:03:16 PM

There's a reason Dumbledore and L qualify. They may be nicer than the villains and guide the heroes, but as long as they have some unscrupulous qualities to them such as Dumbledore endangering Harry Potter when he was about 11, and L torturing Misa for information, it's fine. Big Good are not exempt from this trope. Keep Louie.

Edited by Klavice on Aug 6th 2023 at 12:04:48 PM

ANonagon9 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1945: Aug 6th 2023 at 4:48:13 PM

Okay, I know we just discussed Candace from Molly McGee and yeah, I've gotta go cut. Being cheery about booting the McGees isn't a nice person move, but otherwise, she's just doing her job and it's strictly portrayed as such. Further, when Scratch begs for the house not to be sold, she gives condolences, politely explains that she can't decline the sale without a counteroffer, and lets the McGees go in for one last look.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#1946: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:25:11 PM

Being cheery about it is otherwise still depicted as being a bastard move. Doing your job is one thing: actively taking delight in screwing over someone else is being enough of a bastard IMO especially when you have a kids' show like this where obviously you won't have the worst kind of people in it.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#1947: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:34:12 PM

Yeah having just watched some of it myself, keep her. She's very gleeful about her job. In the context of the series I think it's more than bad enough.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
BocchiTheRock Since: Feb, 2023
#1948: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:42:54 PM

Yeah, I think the main thing helping her is that she is from a kid's show (especially one like this where its a more comedic tone). If she was from a more adult or serious show I don't think she would qualify, but by the standards of her own show she's ok to keep.

Klavice (Elder Troper)
#1949: Aug 6th 2023 at 5:49:48 PM

Kids shows have a different bastard standard than Shōnen or Adult shows. So I say keep Candance.

Edited by Klavice on Aug 6th 2023 at 5:50:14 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature

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