Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread
.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List
Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here
) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread
.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread
, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread
. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM
Cool. I'll expand upon her write-up then in a couple days. Should give me time to make a page for the books as well.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Hypothetically, in the event that an MB (or CM) were to be proposed for a cut, would the original user who got them in be notified to defend that character's entry? Or are they expected to be on top of this?
Edited by 227someguy on Mar 13th 2023 at 6:53:55 AM
Everyone look at my sandboxThe latter. I do think it's common courtesy to ping them at least, but you have no guarantee that they're still on the website (which is true for a lot of users). Sometimes they don't even respond.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midWhat j said, we've had to deal with accusations it's rude not to and unless there's evidence of someone say, "spite" cutting and trying to sneak it in without notice for proper debate, I don't think it's fair to expect people to personally track down and inform the OP their candidate is being disputed.
When any of my candidates have gotten cut—or the motion to do so is made, whether or not I'm warned, I usually make it to the conversation at one point or another. I like being informed, but it's not a requirement though. Also, when the vote leans cut, even if not right away, I usually agree.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 13th 2023 at 5:26:28 AM
I’ve got a question to ask about listed MB Impostra from Power Rangers in Space. She briefly appears in the episode The Sunflower Search, where she restrains the Magna Defender and forces him to witness the death of his son. Would that make her too much of a bitch?
So since there's a version of this movie that switches the theatrical ending out with the alternate one, I feel that should also be highlighted in Nugent's entry.
Original:
- 16 Blocks: Det. Frank Nugent is an NYPD cop seeking to keep thief Eddie Bunker from testifying against him and other corrupt cops involved in witness tampering. Nugent himself threatens a witness in order to give him a heart attack. He arranges for two drug addicts to kill Eddie and when this fails because of his former partner Det. Jack Mosley, Nugent arranges a plan for Eddie to be killed attempting to escape. Jack protects Eddie and Nugent tirelessly pursues them throughout the city, making use of a stolen police radio to track them and later the stoic Nugent is barely phased when Eddie holds a gun on him. When the crooked Jack decides he will testify instead of Eddie, Nugent resolves to have him killed to prevent it.
Suggestion:
- 16 Blocks: Det. Frank Nugent is an NYPD cop seeking to keep thief Eddie Bunker from testifying against him and other corrupt cops involved in witness tampering. Nugent himself threatens a witness in order to give him a heart attack. He arranges for two drug addicts to kill Eddie and when this fails because of his former partner Det. Jack Mosley, Nugent arranges a plan for Eddie to be killed attempting to escape. Jack protects Eddie and Nugent tirelessly pursues them throughout the city, making use of a stolen police radio to track them and later the stoic Nugent is barely phased when Eddie holds a gun on him. When the crooked Jack decides he will testify instead of Eddie, Nugent resolves to have him killed to prevent it. In the version with the alternate ending though, Nugent decides to order his man to stand down instead of kill Jack and then even puts himself in the line of fire to try to save Jack, clearly feeling guilty when he fails.
What say everyone on this? I did indeed hghlight the alternate ending—the one they actually originally filmed for the movie—back when I did the EP for the record. I looked back and maybe I didn't say what he did there actually—but I did now though (after Jack dies, the recording plays like it did before and a regretful Nugent just sadly turns it off before he's escorted away).
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 14th 2023 at 10:41:23 AM
Looks like The Dukes of Hazzard has about 9 entries so far- do they need a separate page?
Eh, good enough.All right, I finally got my write-up extension done. The extension bit is in bold.
Shotgun Nun: Sister Eloise is a nun turned vigilante. After being assaulted and raped by various members of the Wood Street Gang, Eloise sought revenge against her assaulters and the gang's leader, Trevor Dixon. Once released from the hospital, Eloise covertly bought weapons from the dark web and tracked down Dixon's gang by herself. Using a shotgun, knives, and explosives, Eloise gradually murdered all of gangsters, including those responsible for her assault. After killing Dixon and his crew and discovering Father David was secretly laundering money for the gang, Eloise catches him before he can flee the city and executes him. In the sequel, after spending multiple years engaged in her vigilante crusade, Eloise stumbles upon a human trafficking ring led by Nathan Robinson. Using the skills she's learned, Eloise dismantles the operation bit by bit, killing many of Robinson's employees and rescuing Sophia, a twelve-year-old immigrant, who is later trained to be a vigilante just like her. Despite multiple setbacks, Eloise succeeds in destroying the trafficking ring and teaches Sophia how to shoot and kill Robinson, who happily joins Eloise in her crusade after Robinson is killed.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.What’s the earliest a work can be reserved? I ask because season 2 of The Ghost and Molly McGee premieres on April 1st and I intend to reserve it as I promised.

I'd say keep her then. A mistake, but the experience hasn't broken her.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid